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Mr. Soul Tea question
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vonforne
This is the same mix Burn1 uses. Its a great mix to use. I use something very similar with great results.
2 cups PER 5 gallon of water. You are correct. sometimes I will Increase slightly or decrease depending on the plants needs.
2 cups PER 5 gallon of water. You are correct. sometimes I will Increase slightly or decrease depending on the plants needs.
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vonforne
The seedling mix in a 5 gallon jug(how I mix it) and the veg and flower mix in a 5 gallon. you will be very happy with the results of this mix.
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Hello all,
ummm, I am still confused-that seems quite a weak tea.
Dilute 2 cups of the above 5 gallon tea mix in fresh water and then fed?
Seems way dilute to me.
I use my tea at a much stronger solution every watering and no fert burn.
Or is the above recipe call for 2 cups of tea to ONE gallon- that makes more sense and is about right to me.
Sorry for the confussion.
minds_I
ummm, I am still confused-that seems quite a weak tea.
Dilute 2 cups of the above 5 gallon tea mix in fresh water and then fed?
Seems way dilute to me.
I use my tea at a much stronger solution every watering and no fert burn.
Or is the above recipe call for 2 cups of tea to ONE gallon- that makes more sense and is about right to me.
Sorry for the confussion.
minds_I
vonforne said:
...wait what?
so what your saying is... put the guanos, etc... in a tea bag. place the tea bag in the water to make the tea. Then take 2 cups (flowering mix)/ 1 cup (veg and seedling stage) of the tea and add it to water...to make up a total of 5 gallons ( water plus tea)?
or do i just feed with straight tea?
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vonforne
I dilute and feed at every watering. Minds I , I think was talking about a stronger mix. I have admendments in my soil which allows me to use less nutrient solution. Each plant is different in nutrient needs. I'm growing a sativa now and it is a light feeder. Now my Afghan is a heavy feeder so I increase the dose of nutes. it all depends on your plants needs. that is something you will have to work on on your own. If you feed at every third watering I would increase the dose until you get some tip burn then back off.
mindI, I think the break down on the mix is about 2 tbls per gallon of water. Is that about what you use? I know you mix in gallon jugs. The flowering mix is 2/3 of a cup. i will have to measure that and check but I think i'm close to the correct amount. I have been using kind of a modified version of this. The flowering mix was a little strong for the sativas. They got some leaf burn at full strength. Remember less is better in Organics.
mindI, I think the break down on the mix is about 2 tbls per gallon of water. Is that about what you use? I know you mix in gallon jugs. The flowering mix is 2/3 of a cup. i will have to measure that and check but I think i'm close to the correct amount. I have been using kind of a modified version of this. The flowering mix was a little strong for the sativas. They got some leaf burn at full strength. Remember less is better in Organics.
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vonforne
Its the same just revised and re-written. the amounts are the same. Schedule everthing.
joe cool
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Hey new deal, this is my first post here, but I think I can help you out. I don't use much of a strict feeding schedule, just fertilize every other watering or so, whatever the plant looks like they need. As far as dilution, I don't use 5 gallons at a time, but do use the same basic mixes. I'll put in 1 gallon water 2-3 tblspn ewc, 1 tblspn molasses, 1 tblspn kelp, 2-3 of the main guano, whether veg or bloom, and depending on how hard I want to hit them. Brew/bubble this for 24 hours and use straight as is, no dilution. I'd say the same for the 5 gallon quantities above...use as is without further dilution. Hope this helps.
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vonforne
dopamine said:
Some one has added these. I said I have seen that mix before but not a Mr. Souls. But useng liquid seaweed, molasses and LK are a plus for your plants. The link that was provided is 5 years old.
The recipe you quote calls for dissolving the tea mix in a 5 gallon bucket. You don't dilute it anymore than that. You use the veg when the plants are vegging and for the first two weeks of flowering. After that you use the flowering mix as directed.
BTW, the "5 year old" link, is to the OG FAQ
BTW, the "5 year old" link, is to the OG FAQ
ok thanks a lot guys... glad i could find out the answer. from what you guys are saying, i just feed straight from the bubbling bucket... I understand that i can adjust to my plants accordingly, but it is my first shot at organics and i dont want to mess it up. Would this be an effective foliar spray also?
joe cool
New member
FWIW, just a couple more thoughts. I've found benefits from adding mycorrhizzae to the soil mix, and periodic waterings with humic acid. I also add a couple tblspns guano, both hi-P and hi-N, to the bottom of the pot with the mike. I often use Budswel and Supertea for this. I'll also swap out the guanos with either Budswel or Supertea during the feeding regimen.
Be careful with the PSG, it is hot stuff and can burn. I only use it maybe a couple times during veg, or to kick start a plant into rapid growth. I see there are recommendations to use it in early flower. I haven't done this because of the high N. I usually suppement the N with low doses from guano sources in early flower.
Does anybody use the PSG in early flower as shown above?
Be careful with the PSG, it is hot stuff and can burn. I only use it maybe a couple times during veg, or to kick start a plant into rapid growth. I see there are recommendations to use it in early flower. I haven't done this because of the high N. I usually suppement the N with low doses from guano sources in early flower.
Does anybody use the PSG in early flower as shown above?
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vonforne
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Sorry guys, I hate to be a killjoy, but I hate details.
Just give me a good old recipe that'll work and I'm fine. Spend that energy growing and smoking is my thing.
I don't care how it works, as long as it works.
Here's my most favorite method of all time...
6 parts Pro Mix HP
2 parts perlite
2 parts earthworm castings
Powdered dolomite lime @ 2 tablespoons per gallon or 1 cup per cubic foot of the soiless mix.
If you use a 3 qt. saucepan as “parts” in the amounts given above, it equals about 1 cu. ft. of soiless mix and you can just dump in a cup of powdered dolomite lime.
Guano Tea and Kelp:
Seedlings less than 1 month old nute tea mix-
5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses
1-cup earthworm castings/5 gallons of water every 3rd watering
Veg mix-
1/3 cup Peruvian Seabird Guano (PSG)
1/3 cup High N Bat Guano (Mexican)
1/3 cup Earth Worm Castings (EWC)
5 tsp. Maxicrop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract
5 tbs. Liquid Karma
5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses
@ 1-cup mix/5 gallons of water every 3rd watering.
Flowering nute tea mix:
2/3 cup Peruvian Seabird Guano
2/3 cup Earth Worm Castings
2/3 cup High P Guano (Indonesian or Jamaican)
5 tbs. Maxicrop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract
5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses
@ 2 cups/5 gallons of water EVERY watering.
You can use queen size knee high nylon stockings for tea bags. 3 pair for a dollar at the dollar store. Tell 'em you use them for paint strainers. Put the recommended tea in the stocking, tie a loop knot in it and hang it in your tea bucket. The tea should look like a mud puddle. Agitate the bag in the water vigorously. An aquarium pump and air stone will dissolve oxygen into the solution and keep the good bacteria (microherd) alive and thriving. Let it bubble a day or two before you use it.
Burn1
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One of our member uses this mix. Here is his version.
And yes I know where Mr. Souls post came from. I read it when it came out. Or around there.
Joe cool: I use the PSG as an admendment and in early flower. Then I have been using Jamican High P.
And as far as the tea is concerned. I dilute it. IMO if you use it with amended soil you will burn your plants. The PSG is very strong.
Sorry guys, I hate to be a killjoy, but I hate details.
Just give me a good old recipe that'll work and I'm fine. Spend that energy growing and smoking is my thing.
I don't care how it works, as long as it works.
Here's my most favorite method of all time...
6 parts Pro Mix HP
2 parts perlite
2 parts earthworm castings
Powdered dolomite lime @ 2 tablespoons per gallon or 1 cup per cubic foot of the soiless mix.
If you use a 3 qt. saucepan as “parts” in the amounts given above, it equals about 1 cu. ft. of soiless mix and you can just dump in a cup of powdered dolomite lime.
Guano Tea and Kelp:
Seedlings less than 1 month old nute tea mix-
5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses
1-cup earthworm castings/5 gallons of water every 3rd watering
Veg mix-
1/3 cup Peruvian Seabird Guano (PSG)
1/3 cup High N Bat Guano (Mexican)
1/3 cup Earth Worm Castings (EWC)
5 tsp. Maxicrop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract
5 tbs. Liquid Karma
5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses
@ 1-cup mix/5 gallons of water every 3rd watering.
Flowering nute tea mix:
2/3 cup Peruvian Seabird Guano
2/3 cup Earth Worm Castings
2/3 cup High P Guano (Indonesian or Jamaican)
5 tbs. Maxicrop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract
5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses
@ 2 cups/5 gallons of water EVERY watering.
You can use queen size knee high nylon stockings for tea bags. 3 pair for a dollar at the dollar store. Tell 'em you use them for paint strainers. Put the recommended tea in the stocking, tie a loop knot in it and hang it in your tea bucket. The tea should look like a mud puddle. Agitate the bag in the water vigorously. An aquarium pump and air stone will dissolve oxygen into the solution and keep the good bacteria (microherd) alive and thriving. Let it bubble a day or two before you use it.
Burn1
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One of our member uses this mix. Here is his version.
And yes I know where Mr. Souls post came from. I read it when it came out. Or around there.
Joe cool: I use the PSG as an admendment and in early flower. Then I have been using Jamican High P.
And as far as the tea is concerned. I dilute it. IMO if you use it with amended soil you will burn your plants. The PSG is very strong.
The general recommendation that I have seen is that you should not use guano with a mycorrizhizal infected medium. However, I think that might only apply to hi-n guano, because of its high urea nitrogen content. I don't think mycorrhizal fungi like fertilizers derived from high urea or ammonium nitrate sources much. I don't think that maxim applies to low N high P fertilizers though. So if you are going to use a mycorrhizal medium, don't mix high N guano into the soil and don't feed too heavy with high N guano tea.
The way mycorrhizal fungus works, is that it forms a symbiotic relationship with the roots and extends the root network exponentially. It can really reach out and grab phosphorous that the roots wouldn't otherwise get. So if you feed with high P tea or add high P guano to your mycorrhizal mix, you ought to see a real benefit. Mixing rock phosphate into your medium and then feeding with high P organic fertilizer might be the best strategy.
The trick with a mycorrhizal medium is to start the plants in it from jump street and root them all the way through the medium before flowering. The fungi really do well with composted nitrogen sources, like castings. It takes a little while for the medium to get thoroughly infected, so for at least the first several weeks pot plants do better with a good organic grow fertilizer like pure blend pro veg.
Given the short life span of production plants, the best application for mycorrhizal mediums may be mother plants.
The way mycorrhizal fungus works, is that it forms a symbiotic relationship with the roots and extends the root network exponentially. It can really reach out and grab phosphorous that the roots wouldn't otherwise get. So if you feed with high P tea or add high P guano to your mycorrhizal mix, you ought to see a real benefit. Mixing rock phosphate into your medium and then feeding with high P organic fertilizer might be the best strategy.
The trick with a mycorrhizal medium is to start the plants in it from jump street and root them all the way through the medium before flowering. The fungi really do well with composted nitrogen sources, like castings. It takes a little while for the medium to get thoroughly infected, so for at least the first several weeks pot plants do better with a good organic grow fertilizer like pure blend pro veg.
Given the short life span of production plants, the best application for mycorrhizal mediums may be mother plants.
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vonforne
If you check the OFC link out you find all you need to know about mycorrhizal fungi.
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=36542&page=1
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=36542&page=1
