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MotherLode Gardens 2016
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rockymountainJ
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Getting huge!! Really dig the sunset photo!!
Absolutely, unbalanced soil is such a bummer to start with. What's the depth and width of your holes? Around here, if you add limestone to native soil and let it cook most plants will take off since the pH is low and soil is rich. Most soils are super dense here though and do much better when tilled. Ive noticed some aquatic regions have soft soil naturally and plants just blow up like crazy in it. I think its since the soil is really biodynamic and loose.
CoastalKind
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CoastalKind
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Side note: In the 2nd picture it doesn't look this yellow in real the exposure was weird with half in the shade and half of the plant reflecting the light.
plantingplants
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Wait I feel like I missed something. Could you tell us about your native soil mix? What's in it? What % of clay? Did you get a test?
I had a young Lemon Garlic OG twist so bad like in your first photo the entire thing was just wrecked. I tried letting it dry out and also drenching it to no avail.
To explain what byf meant by it possibly being a base cation imbalance, the soil can hold on to certain nutrients (the cations) and certain folks believe you want the soil to hold a certain percentage of each and that all the amounts relate to each other. Ie if you have a bowl of soup that can only hold certain flavors and a certain amount of them, you want some salt, a little acid like vinegar or lemon juice, a little sweetness, a little heat from peppers, and a little bitterness (from greens for example). You want enough of everything or you won't taste them, but yu also want them in balance with another. If you have a lot of heat you want maybe some more sweetness to balance the heat. Not a perfect analogy but yea. Cations would be the flavors that are water soluble, that the soup will hold. Anions would be flavors that are volatile, that the soup can't hold. They evaporate. In soil that's like Nitrate, a form of nitrogen very available to the plant but easily leaches out of the soil because the soil can't hold it. How much flavor (cations) your soup can hold is called CEC. Cation exchange capacity. The capacity for the soil to hold cations. Your base cations (the sweet the sour acid the salt etc) are K, P,na, H (how much H y you have determines your pH), ca, mg, and a few others.
I had a young Lemon Garlic OG twist so bad like in your first photo the entire thing was just wrecked. I tried letting it dry out and also drenching it to no avail.
To explain what byf meant by it possibly being a base cation imbalance, the soil can hold on to certain nutrients (the cations) and certain folks believe you want the soil to hold a certain percentage of each and that all the amounts relate to each other. Ie if you have a bowl of soup that can only hold certain flavors and a certain amount of them, you want some salt, a little acid like vinegar or lemon juice, a little sweetness, a little heat from peppers, and a little bitterness (from greens for example). You want enough of everything or you won't taste them, but yu also want them in balance with another. If you have a lot of heat you want maybe some more sweetness to balance the heat. Not a perfect analogy but yea. Cations would be the flavors that are water soluble, that the soup will hold. Anions would be flavors that are volatile, that the soup can't hold. They evaporate. In soil that's like Nitrate, a form of nitrogen very available to the plant but easily leaches out of the soil because the soil can't hold it. How much flavor (cations) your soup can hold is called CEC. Cation exchange capacity. The capacity for the soil to hold cations. Your base cations (the sweet the sour acid the salt etc) are K, P,na, H (how much H y you have determines your pH), ca, mg, and a few others.
That is a Zn def. Get your Zn up to 50 ppm and foliar on top of that.
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if you are the artist then you have 2 great skills brother
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if you are the artist then you have 2 great skills brother
peace
CoastalKind
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I'm pretty sure those are photoshop filters.
tesseracting with the dope photo upgrade! i love it
one of those filters reminds me exactly of trippign on lsd
one of those filters reminds me exactly of trippign on lsd
i go for quality not quantity. my views are better.
i might have forgot to mention but i put a few backup starts directly into the ground. never got it tested but they seem to be doing very well, just as good as a couple backups that i put into 100gal pots of foxfarm
That means you have a good quality soil...
People don't realize how much a difference a good quality soil can really make...
People don't realize how much a difference a good quality soil can really make...
yah apparently it must be good but i dont know why nobody grows in the ground here.
Wait til the end. Maybe too soon to tell. Usually locals do things for a reason. Sometimes those aren't the best reasons though.
There can always be a hardpan or caliche surprises, one never knows.
Is there a deep cut in the soil profile somewhere? Are there definite layers? How deep is your first and then second layer? Any idea?
There can always be a hardpan or caliche surprises, one never knows.
Is there a deep cut in the soil profile somewhere? Are there definite layers? How deep is your first and then second layer? Any idea?
i have no idea but there are tons of rocks and boulders
plantingplants
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So is it just your typical rocky red foothill clay? That's crazy. Did you loosen a lot of it up or just dig a big enough hole for the transplant? I talked with this agronomist guy who said to try digging a deep hole with a post digger or auger into the clay and to fill it with soil and plant in that.
HillMizer
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Ganja farmers do shit for funny reasons sometimes it's true. There are control freaks with superstitions and the industry literally came out of closets. I know people how throw out 50 yd +/ year of soil. I know a guy who got paid $25/hr to drive to 8 different Walmarts to get enough wire coat hangers to dry a large commercial crop.
Where I live in the sierra foothills there is mostly just clay. If I were to do native soil I'd probably cover crop an area with a legume mix and daikon radish. Then bulldoze it all up pick all that soil up with a tractor and add it to my garden that has just clay, a little decomposed granite and some serpentine (high nickel & chromium).
It is true that soiless mixes ( what ganja farmers call soil; coots, fire , ffof whatever) provide and encourage more root mass when compared to mineral and clay soil.
The clays in California are typically "new" clay that do not have a particularly high Cation Exchange Capacity. Organic material is the easiest way to increase the CEC.
I'm not sure if decomposed granite has paramagnetic properties.
I do know redneck locals who say to always add a little native soil. They get all their amendments at the feed store. Alfalfa pellets, chicken manure, oyster shell and dicalcium phosphate (dical- I like this stuff!)
Thank Shcrews I love your thread!
hey shrews, i know you mentioned the pistol whip method for pruning, can you expand on your pruning/ bottom cleaning philosophy, im curious how much cleaning you do? or if you just let it rock primarily..
