Mother charged with murder after child dies from ingesting delta-8 THC gummies

[Captain Red Eye]

She deserves no sympathy.

It does look like she could be an inattentive or even a "bad mother". She lost a child though, for that reason I think she deserves some sympathy.

I'm glad the murder charge was changed too.

Also, if the number of gummies the kid ate was in excess of what some prohibition law "allowed" her to have, she may have lied to Police out of fear of punishment. She may not have realized her child was in grave danger or was going to die and reflexively lied, then felt she needed to stick with it out of fear of police and any drug law repercussions.

If that's the case, it's another example of how prohibition or the echos of prohibition skews things.

 

[xtsho]

Really?
Your explanation is:-

There are people that have experienced anaphylaxis from cannabis and cannabis products. That's a life threatening situation. Some people can be extremely allergic to cannabis just like some people are extremely allergic to shellfish, peanuts, etc...

I have a slight reaction when trimming plants. I start itching all over which is one of the reasons I hate trimming weed.

And you can definitely overdose on THC especially when ingested. Take 1/2 oz of concentrates, make some brownies, eat them all. Tell us what happens.

"Cannabis allergy can cause symptoms similar to those of seasonal allergies, such as coughing, a runny nose, and itchy eyes. Skin reactions are also possible. In severe cases, a person may experience anaphylaxis, which is a medical emergency."

 

[53grayeyes]

Ok, xtsho, you have asserted that a THC dose could be 'dangerous'. What is your authority for that conclusion or are you just making stuff up to pass the time?

 

[xtsho]

Ok, xtsho, you have asserted that a THC dose could be 'dangerous'. What is your authority for that conclusion or are you just making stuff up to pass the time?

My authority is facts. Reading studies conducted by individuals with PhD's. Articles from medical organizations. Actual real world cases that have been reported and documented. I'm not going to bother listing dozens of links to legitimate sites that support what I've stated based on SCIENCE. It's not worth my time.

What is your authority? Some stoners on the internet saying that cannabis can do no harm?

Marijuana Cannabis Allergy

The AAAAI offers information on marijuana cannabis allergy written and reviewed by experts on allergies.

www.aaaai.org

 

[53grayeyes]

My authority is facts. Reading studies conducted by individuals with PhD's. Articles from medical organizations. Actual real world cases that have been reported and documented. I'm not going to bother listing dozens of links to legitimate sites that support what I've stated based on SCIENCE. It's not worth my time.

What is your authority? Some stoners on the internet saying that cannabis can do no harm?

Marijuana Cannabis Allergy

The AAAAI offers information on marijuana cannabis allergy written and reviewed by experts on allergies.

www.aaaai.org

"Not worth my time". I think you said it all.
NIH: Epub 2022 Aug 10 "Risk of death due to cannabis toxicity is negligible."

 

[xtsho]

"Not worth my time". I think you said it all.
NIH: Epub 2022 Aug 10 "Risk of death due to cannabis toxicity is negligible."

Why do so many lack the critical thinking skills that would allow them to admit that THC can cause serious life threatening effects to some people? Instead your first instinct is to get defensive over a factual statement made by someone else. I could care less what your opinion is or what you think. I stated facts. Why do you have a problem with that?

Negligible doesn't mean much to the people that it effects and can have a severe reaction and can potentially die.

200 people die in the US each year due to allergic reactions. For the families involved it's not negligible.

It's like I'm interacting with children.

 

[Captain Red Eye]

I wonder if the mother would have been charged with anything, if she had lots of money and a fancy house, with a liquor cabinet her kid had somehow managed to get into and died from overdosing on alcohol?

I bet the media would have portrayed it as "a tragic accident" and maybe the prosecutor never would have indicted her. I doubt she would have been charged with murder to get her to plea to "only 10 years".

Yet alcohol is a toxin, technically a poison and has killed lots of people.

This entire prosecution smells like it has overtones of "marijuana is bad and marijuana users are bad people...fuckin' druggie, she deserves to be punished ".

 

[ledo]

I wonder if the mother would have been charged with anything, if she had lots of money and a fancy house, with a liquor cabinet her kid had somehow managed to get into and died from overdosing on alcohol?

I bet the media would have portrayed it as "a tragic accident" and maybe the prosecutor never would have indicted her. I doubt she would have been charged with murder to get her to plea to "only 10 years".

Yet alcohol is a toxin, technically a poison and has killed lots of people.

This entire prosecution smells like it has overtones of "marijuana is bad and marijuana users are bad people...fuckin' druggie, she deserves to be punished ".

Nah - she’s a pos scum through & through whom happened to have cannabis @ - I bet that kid ate everything in site all the time, IF she didn’t directly feed it to him she knew it was an imminent risk… then she lied to cover her ass vs saving his, pure scum sadly too many parents are

This kid died of cardiovascular disease due 4 years of daily child abuse - she deserves at least 10 years in the clink imo - it was systematic daily abuse, how on earth do you get a 4 year old to 116#’s ???

PS: I agree cannabis is being wrongly scapegoated here as something primary to blame; and it’s BS - this is 100% scum & abusive parenting in my book - kid never stood a chance

 

[xtsho]

Nah - she’s a pos scum through & through whom happened to have cannabis @ - I bet that kid ate everything in site all the time, IF she didn’t directly feed it to him she knew it was an imminent risk… then she lied to cover her ass vs saving his, pure scum sadly too many parents are

This kid died of cardiovascular disease due 4 years of daily child abuse - she deserves at least 10 years in the clink imo - it was systematic daily abuse, how on earth do you get a 4 year old to 116#’s ???

PS: I agree cannabis is being wrongly scapegoated here as something primary to blame; and it’s BS - this is 100% scum & abusive parenting in my book - kid never stood a chance

We had this Mother of the year take off and go on the run after her child died from overdosing on her fentanyl that the child got ahold of. There are too many people having children when they can't even take care of themselves.

I have sympathy for the children. Not the irresponsible parent.

Police seeking ‘armed and dangerous’ mother of 2-year-old girl who died of fentanyl poisoning

Detectives say Mary E. Jacobo, 26, is suspected in an armed carjacking after she fled the home where her daughter died from fentanyl.

www.oregonlive.com

 

[Captain Red Eye]

Nah - she’s a pos scum through & through whom happened to have cannabis @ - I bet that kid ate everything in site all the time, IF she didn’t directly feed it to him she knew it was an imminent risk… then she lied to cover her ass vs saving his, pure scum sadly too many parents are

This kid died of cardiovascular disease due 4 years of daily child abuse - she deserves at least 10 years in the clink imo - it was systematic daily abuse, how on earth do you get a 4 year old to 116#’s ???

PS: I agree cannabis is being wrongly scapegoated here as something primary to blame; and it’s BS - this is 100% scum & abusive parenting in my book - kid never stood a chance

Yes, she could be a bad mother as far as being inattentive, but we don't know if she loved her child and vice versa or if she is deeply affected and mourning. I maintain it's a tragedy regardless.

Speaking of systemic abuse, if she serves 10 years in the clink, at least two things will happen. Her child
won't magically come back.

The other thing is some people will be forced to feed her and forced to pay people to staff a prison to house another nonviolent person etc. 10 years is a long time and will cost a shitload. Sometimes, putting people in jail can have unintended consequences and create add'l. victims. If a disinterested person doesn't want to fund her incarceration and refuses to, what will happen to that person?

Thanks for considering cannabis is a possible scapegoat. I think the fact the kid was overweight (unless his dad was Andre the Giant) also may have influenced her sentence. None of that proves malicious intent on her part though.

Also, worth considering when making a judgement, some well-meaning parents had their kids vaxxed and the kids suffered or died as a result of that. Should those parents get 10 years if their kid died? I mean the weed gummy mom was inattentive (apparently), but the parents that had kids suffer from a vax, took an active part in that. Who is more wrong?

 

[ledo]

Yes, she could be a bad mother as far as being inattentive, but we don't know if she loved her child and vice versa or if she is deeply affected and mourning. I maintain it's a tragedy regardless.

You don't poison someone you love, daily for years, she's mourning her plight and that's about it imo.... I have young kids around her kids age, they are put first in my mind always, it's a given - if they were in any danger I'd sacrifice myself in an instant regardless of the threat presented, she actively lied numerous times when questioned to save her ass risking her kids in return, that alone tells you all you need to know....

Speaking of systemic abuse, if she serves 10 years in the clink, at least two things will happen. Her child
won't magically come back.

nope, but she won't be able to ruin the life of her next one she'd inevitable have - this person is a selfish pig, everything about her actions tell us this...

The other thing is some people will be forced to feed her and forced to pay people to staff a prison to house another nonviolent person etc. 10 years is a long time and will cost a shitload. Sometimes, putting people in jail can have unintended consequences and create add'l. victims. If a disinterested person doesn't want to fund her incarceration and refuses to, what will happen to that person?

You don't want to know what I think should be done to her, the movie Se7en comes to mind.....

Thanks for considering cannabis is a possible scapegoat. I think the fact the kid was overweight (unless his dad was Andre the Giant) also may have influenced her sentence. None of that proves malicious intent on her part though.

cannabis is clearly being scapegoated, if I let my kid drink too much milk it could kill them, anything in enough excess can kill you, add a 116 lb 4 year old and crawling up the stairs could be the culprit....

I'd venture to guess even Andre wasn't 116lbs at 4 years old.... I wonder actually.....

Also, worth considering when making a judgement, some well-meaning parents had their kids vaxxed and the kids suffered or died as a result of that. Should those parents get 10 years if their kid died? I mean the weed gummy mom was inattentive (apparently), but the parents that had kids suffer from a vax, took an active part in that. Who is more wrong?

If they had their kid vaccinated daily for years then it would start to compare (fwiw I've never had a flu shot in my life, nor my wife or kids)... BUT I don't think you are appreciating how much this women was abusing their kid day in and day out over years..... Getting your 4 year old to 116#'s to me is equivalent to giving them opiates all day to calm them, both is poisoning the kid, routinely..... She could feel Opiates are good for kids, be well meaning, it's still the same exact level of wrong, how she felt is irrelevant if she's poisoning her kid who's incapable of making decisions at that age.....

You now seem to be scapegoating for her or at least trying to rationalize her behavior and plight....It may sound like I'm being insensitive to this "war on cannabis" victim but it's the opposite in fact, the kid is the victim and this pig of a human is creating a scenario where cannabis can be tarnished and scapegoated.

She's the problem 100% not a plant

 

[Captain Red Eye]

You don't poison someone you love, daily for years, she's mourning her plight and that's about it imo.... I have young kids around her kids age, they are put first in my mind always, it's a given - if they were in any danger I'd sacrifice myself in an instant regardless of the threat presented, she actively lied numerous times when questioned to save her ass risking her kids in return, that alone tells you all you need to know....


nope, but she won't be able to ruin the life of her next one she'd inevitable have - this person is a selfish pig, everything about her actions tell us this...


You don't want to know what I think should be done to her, the movie Se7en comes to mind.....


cannabis is clearly being scapegoated, if I let my kid drink too much milk it could kill them, anything in enough excess can kill you, add a 116 lb 4 year old and crawling up the stairs could be the culprit....

I'd venture to guess even Andre wasn't 116lbs at 4 years old.... I wonder actually.....



If they had their kid vaccinated daily for years then it would start to compare (fwiw I've never had a flu shot in my life, nor my wife or kids)... BUT I don't think you are appreciating how much this women was abusing their kid day in and day out over years..... Getting your 4 year old to 116#'s to me is equivalent to giving them opiates all day to calm them, both is poisoning the kid, routinely..... She could feel Opiates are good for kids, be well meaning, it's still the same exact level of wrong, how she felt is irrelevant if she's poisoning her kid who's incapable of making decisions at that age.....

You now seem to be scapegoating for her or at least trying to rationalize her behavior and plight....It may sound like I'm being insensitive to this "war on cannabis" victim but it's the opposite in fact, the kid is the victim and this pig of a human is creating a scenario where cannabis can be tarnished and scapegoated.

She's the problem 100% not a plant

I'm not rationalizing her behavior, I actually share some of your disappointment with her, I'm being sympathetic to the tragedy. Like most people I don't really know the entire situation, only what the news stories give us, so we fill in the blanks with what we think or sounds likely.

Although, I don't think the crime she was charged with was that her kid was obese. If that alone were a crime, millions of parents are guilty of that. Are you saying it's impossible for obese parents to love their kids?

You sound like a well-intentioned parent, which is a good thing. What if well intentioned parents had a bright active normal sized 4 year old who found the parents stash of gummies while the parents were sleeping and ate them all? Maybe the parents had popped a few gummies and got their freak on thinking their kid was safely asleep in his room and the gummies they ate induced a deep post freak on slumber?

Maybe the gummies were well hidden, but the bright kid knew where they were, got a chair, hopped onto the kitchen counter and dug them out of the top cabinet? Nom, nom. nom... then the sleeping parents found the kid after they woke up, but it was too late?

Should those parents not be charged or get a lesser sentence because their kid was normal sized, even if their child died just like the obese kid did?





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[Captain Red Eye]

freedom is relative as in I've got more freedom then I used to have rather then I have less then I used to.

Generally agree with some of your commentary, but I would use the word, "privilege" rather than freedom in the sentence above.

Other people legislated this and insist under pain of punishment their permission and limits are a requirement. If you deviate, you get a spanking. I looked but can't find the freedom in that mess.

 

[G.O. Joe]

The news articles say that she did not have custody of the kid, so attacks on her for the kid's size are not justified by the known facts. This entire case is about as free of facts as possible, as though said facts would be a problem for the prosecution if they were known. And, these facts won't be coming out as she plead and I assume she had a public defender telling her to.

The coroner swears the d8 was responsible for the death, as though this happens all the time and is unquestionable like fentanyl or meth. The obesity is merely an indicator of the mother's care, regardless of her not having custody. Not sure what the qualifications for coroner in that county are.

If you've seen the mugshot, it's not hard to believe the kid was fat.

No doubt the state cracked down on the sale of these death gummies, to protect the children?

 

[Captain Red Eye]

The news articles say that she did not have custody of the kid, so attacks on her for the kid's size are not justified by the known facts. This entire case is about as free of facts as possible, as though said facts would be a problem for the prosecution if they were known. And, these facts won't be coming out as she plead and I assume she had a public defender telling her to.

The coroner swears the d8 was responsible for the death, as though this happens all the time and is unquestionable like fentanyl or meth. The obesity is merely an indicator of the mother's care, regardless of her not having custody. Not sure what the qualifications for coroner in that county are.

If you've seen the mugshot, it's not hard to believe the kid was fat.

No doubt the state cracked down on the sale of these death gummies, to protect the children?

Interesting, didn't know some of what you posted.

 

[pop_rocks]

kids will get into everything, especially at a young age
thats why its even more important for parents to be vigilant with drugs or anything else that is potentially dangerous

/im hooked on tide pods!

 

[G.O. Joe]

its even more important for parents to be vigilant with drugs or anything else that is potentially dangerous

No doubt, and maybe mom was the sole caregiver until the week before, but it is not reasonable to expect d8 gummies - widely sold even in areas where d8 is quite not legal - to kill people. There are no deaths from it and I would think that any allergy to cannabis involves its pollen. It's for sure nowhere near as dangerous as tylenol or eye drops. It's not like she plugged in an electric chainsaw and said here play with this. But she failed drug tests given after the incident, so she must be a hardcore baddy. Everything would be OK if the kid died from chips and soda I guess.

 

[pop_rocks]

No doubt, and maybe mom was the sole caregiver until the week before, but it is not reasonable to expect d8 gummies - widely sold even in areas where d8 is quite not legal - to kill people. There are no deaths from it and I would think that any allergy to cannabis involves its pollen. It's for sure nowhere near as dangerous as tylenol or eye drops. It's not like she plugged in an electric chainsaw and said here play with this. But she failed drug tests given after the incident, so she must be a hardcore baddy. Everything would be OK if the kid died from chips and soda I guess.

chips and soda takes years, aint nobody got time for that
this lady was in the fast lane, all gas, no brakes

you are one irasible mother fucker! @G.O. Joe and thats why i love you

/miss you in the nfl thread, we have pie and DEATH GUMMIES!!!!

 

[Captain Red Eye]

kids will get into everything, especially at a young age
thats why its even more important for parents to be vigilant with drugs or anything else that is potentially dangerous

/im hooked on tide pods!

 

[pop_rocks]

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