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morrocan strains
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Tripco
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As far as i heard some stories about moroccan hash quality these days in western Europe, it is true that it's mostly of meduim and lower grade. But that's not the reflection of real situation in Moroccan strains, but more of local dealers who wants to make more money on pure hash mixed with... who knows what.
Nowdays is Moroccan hash is very rare in Serbia (Paki, Paki, only Paki and a bit of Afghani). I remember better days, late '80's and early '90's, when considerable amounts of Moroccan pale-brown powdery hash were availiable via Croatian harbour cities. It was more appreciated than Afghani and Pakistani, even more than Lebanese (except Blonde Leb.). Most dealers claimed it's "Zero-Zero", but real "Z-Z" was much more rare and much more expensive. And it was worth to pay more for one of smoothest and most joyfull hash around.
Morcco is probably one of last landrace resorts among all of big commercial Cannabis regions in the world. It's because their philosophy:
"if i grew some of modern commercial hybrids, i'll have more buds and more resin. But is it good for me and my family? No, that would lead to overproduction and the prices would go down, and many people would stay away from the buissiness, maybe including myself"
So, Moroccan indica is still in charge. I'm not sure from which country it was introduced in Morocco, but it's more or less the same strain grown across Rif mountains, and also in Algeria and Tunis. Some people call it Ketama, but i guess, it got to be some, at least slight, differneces among plants grown in different regions.
Nowdays is Moroccan hash is very rare in Serbia (Paki, Paki, only Paki and a bit of Afghani). I remember better days, late '80's and early '90's, when considerable amounts of Moroccan pale-brown powdery hash were availiable via Croatian harbour cities. It was more appreciated than Afghani and Pakistani, even more than Lebanese (except Blonde Leb.). Most dealers claimed it's "Zero-Zero", but real "Z-Z" was much more rare and much more expensive. And it was worth to pay more for one of smoothest and most joyfull hash around.
Morcco is probably one of last landrace resorts among all of big commercial Cannabis regions in the world. It's because their philosophy:
"if i grew some of modern commercial hybrids, i'll have more buds and more resin. But is it good for me and my family? No, that would lead to overproduction and the prices would go down, and many people would stay away from the buissiness, maybe including myself"
So, Moroccan indica is still in charge. I'm not sure from which country it was introduced in Morocco, but it's more or less the same strain grown across Rif mountains, and also in Algeria and Tunis. Some people call it Ketama, but i guess, it got to be some, at least slight, differneces among plants grown in different regions.
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bonecarver_OG
Ketama is kind of a "village". i bet they grow many varieties around there.
what is interesting is - where did the pakistani genetics come from they are growing now adays, to make the Paki-moroc hash?
cant wait to see some of those Balooi or Sakwi in ur indoor Raco
peace
what is interesting is - where did the pakistani genetics come from they are growing now adays, to make the Paki-moroc hash?
cant wait to see some of those Balooi or Sakwi in ur indoor Raco
peace
hiya,
lol ok you got me confused by calling it "some other herb" - maybe the fact it's illegal there made it appear to be something more exotic than it is
datura leaves can in fact quite closely resemble tobacco - it is quite possible your friend did see people mixing either leaf or seeds
in Casablanca, for instance, they will still sell Datura in the markets for this purpose (Morocco also exports it to the perfume industry in Europe etc.)
here is a UN report from the late '50s with some useful info on the origins of cannabis use in Morocco, and on Datura use
http://www.unodc.org/unodc/bulletin/bulletin_1957-01-01_4_page002.html
ignore the fact that whicever cretin typed it up put "Monaco" in the title - fucking UN!
seems according to this incb report that the practise has also become popular in other parts of Africa:
In countries in the central and southern parts of
Africa, one development has been a cause of concern:
the abuse of cannabis herb mixed with Datura
stramonium. The leaves and seeds of Datura
stramonium contain the alkaloids scopolamine and
hyoscyamine, substances not under international
control that complement the effect of cannabis. The
abuse of datura is allegedly spreading fast throughout
Central Africa, having started in Chad and the Congo,
as well as in the Democratic Republic of the Congo,
where it grows wild and has recently been cultivated in
an organized manne
ojd said:
lol ok you got me confused by calling it "some other herb" - maybe the fact it's illegal there made it appear to be something more exotic than it is
datura leaves can in fact quite closely resemble tobacco - it is quite possible your friend did see people mixing either leaf or seeds
in Casablanca, for instance, they will still sell Datura in the markets for this purpose (Morocco also exports it to the perfume industry in Europe etc.)
here is a UN report from the late '50s with some useful info on the origins of cannabis use in Morocco, and on Datura use
http://www.unodc.org/unodc/bulletin/bulletin_1957-01-01_4_page002.html
ignore the fact that whicever cretin typed it up put "Monaco" in the title - fucking UN!
seems according to this incb report that the practise has also become popular in other parts of Africa:
In countries in the central and southern parts of
Africa, one development has been a cause of concern:
the abuse of cannabis herb mixed with Datura
stramonium. The leaves and seeds of Datura
stramonium contain the alkaloids scopolamine and
hyoscyamine, substances not under international
control that complement the effect of cannabis. The
abuse of datura is allegedly spreading fast throughout
Central Africa, having started in Chad and the Congo,
as well as in the Democratic Republic of the Congo,
where it grows wild and has recently been cultivated in
an organized manne
la mano negra
Active member
ketama
hiya mate - didn't mean to appear to imply Raco wasn't right
I'm sure he and La Mano Negra were right that it was tobacco, which as said is highly illegal in Morocco.
Though incidentally, it is not uncommon for people to mix hash together with datura when smoking. You can see datura on sale in the markets.
The leaves are large and shaped like tobacco leaves, though smell even more pungent. They are pleasant to smoke though, and it is generally thought that the veins and base of the stalk are the strongest part of the leaf. The seeds are even stronger, and these can also be broken up and mixed with hash and leaf, or tobacco. The seed pods are spiked and very distinctive.
The effect of smoking with datura is to make the hash significantly stronger - more sedative, and more delerious. It is possible to become totally stupefied smoking, though usually people do not reach that stage, as prior to that it becomes too much to even get it together to smoke. It is also more likely to have eidetic effects, and visual and auditory hallucinations than when just smoking hash. Thought can become very slow and confused, and limbs feel unusually heavy. If you have also had a few beers you could end up in a right state.
Smoking datura is considerably safer than eating it, which is ill advised. I knew a crazy I Ching reader who would often smoke datura leaf cigarettes. He was a mentalist of the highest order, very interesting guy - knew a lot about herbs and Chinese philosophy.
I'm sure he and La Mano Negra were right that it was tobacco, which as said is highly illegal in Morocco.
Though incidentally, it is not uncommon for people to mix hash together with datura when smoking. You can see datura on sale in the markets.
The leaves are large and shaped like tobacco leaves, though smell even more pungent. They are pleasant to smoke though, and it is generally thought that the veins and base of the stalk are the strongest part of the leaf. The seeds are even stronger, and these can also be broken up and mixed with hash and leaf, or tobacco. The seed pods are spiked and very distinctive.
The effect of smoking with datura is to make the hash significantly stronger - more sedative, and more delerious. It is possible to become totally stupefied smoking, though usually people do not reach that stage, as prior to that it becomes too much to even get it together to smoke. It is also more likely to have eidetic effects, and visual and auditory hallucinations than when just smoking hash. Thought can become very slow and confused, and limbs feel unusually heavy. If you have also had a few beers you could end up in a right state.
Smoking datura is considerably safer than eating it, which is ill advised. I knew a crazy I Ching reader who would often smoke datura leaf cigarettes. He was a mentalist of the highest order, very interesting guy - knew a lot about herbs and Chinese philosophy.
I was just about to say the same thing. Possession of UNTAXED tobacco is a serious offense in morocco but I really don't know anything about morocco. I juts knew that if you go be very very careful of tobacco that doesn't have a tax stamp. I've smoked d. Strammonium a few times and ngakpa's right it is quite a bit more mild than eating it which is highly advised against.
Is it the consensus that the old kif strains are still around in morocco or have they all been hybridized with indica since the introduction of hashish manufacture.
Is it the consensus that the old kif strains are still around in morocco or have they all been hybridized with indica since the introduction of hashish manufacture.
B
bonecarver_OG
un-taxed tobacco is a offense in most countries - also cultivating tabacco without a license. makes me think of planting some its very easy to get good tabacco seeds on the net hehe
when i was in morocco i didnt hear or see anything about smoking datura - if it is widelly used - its done by "the junkies" and not the common ppl - as far as i could tell. the good quality hashish is so good its not necesary at all to mix it with anything. i presume this is something they do use with lower quality hash perhaps? like similar to india where low grade charras can get mixed with opium - while good charras would never get mixed.
i think the only way to really understand the potency of the morrocan un-adultered hash - it is necesary to go there and experience it - if u do get offered it. it usually is not the easiest - since there is lots of crap they want to get rid of first
ChefChauen is a really nice village for vacations - where the coulours of the houses and cultures mix to an amazing blend it is FAIRLY safe - aslong as u think about what u are doing. i recomend all to go.
peace
its very easy to get good tabacco seeds on the net hehewhen i was in morocco i didnt hear or see anything about smoking datura - if it is widelly used - its done by "the junkies" and not the common ppl - as far as i could tell. the good quality hashish is so good its not necesary at all to mix it with anything. i presume this is something they do use with lower quality hash perhaps? like similar to india where low grade charras can get mixed with opium - while good charras would never get mixed.
i think the only way to really understand the potency of the morrocan un-adultered hash - it is necesary to go there and experience it - if u do get offered it. it usually is not the easiest - since there is lots of crap they want to get rid of first
ChefChauen is a really nice village for vacations - where the coulours of the houses and cultures mix to an amazing blend
it is FAIRLY safe - aslong as u think about what u are doing. i recomend all to go.peace
bonecarver_OG said:un-taxed tobacco is a offense in most countries - also cultivating tabacco without a license. makes me think of planting some
i presume this is something they do use with lower quality hash perhaps? like similar to india where low grade charras can get mixed with opium - while good charras would never get mixed.
there is lots of crap they want to get rid of first
ChefChauen is a really nice village for vacations - where the coulours of the houses and cultures mix to an amazing blend
peace
it was friends of mine who grew up and intermitently live in Casablanca who told me about the Datura use, but you can follow it up on the net - it is also not uncommon practise among Sadhus in India ... there is a strongly synergistic effect when mixed with hash, especially if you use the seeds
yeh, I would love to get to Chefchauen - I have only had a chance to get to Marrakesh and surrounding areas and that was on work, but I have been lucky to smoke a lot of very high grade Moroccan over the years... it is a favourite of mine
in the UK you can grow tobacco without a license, and contrary to popular belief, it is possible to grow very good tobacco at that latitude
much of the charas readily available in India will have been blended with other substances, but it is certainly not that difficult to obtain pure charas, and likewise in the Hindu Kush etc. where the best bet is to go for gardah
I think I remember Mriko saying that the photographer is his friend:
http://www.pa-chouvy.org/Photos/Maroc_Rif2005/Maroc_Rif2005.htm
G
Guest
I've been wanting to get my hands on some authentic Moroccan and Lebanese hash plant genes for ages. I wonder if the climate and soil of Morocco meant that the landraces becae highly adapted and didn't produce well if grown elsewhere and this is why they haven't played much of a part in the Dutch breeding like Afghanis have.
All I can think of as far as Moroccan genes available commercially is Nirvana's Maroc x Afghan and Female Seeds' Maroc. Blue Hemp sell a lebanese landrace (gonna try those soon) but that's all I can think of.
I have about 30 seeds a friend brought back from Egypt last year, no idea if they will bear any relation to Moroccan or Lebanese, but I'm going to germ a few soon.
All I can think of as far as Moroccan genes available commercially is Nirvana's Maroc x Afghan and Female Seeds' Maroc. Blue Hemp sell a lebanese landrace (gonna try those soon) but that's all I can think of.
I have about 30 seeds a friend brought back from Egypt last year, no idea if they will bear any relation to Moroccan or Lebanese, but I'm going to germ a few soon.
B
bonecarver_OG
egyptian weed could come from Sinai, or Sudan if imported. maybe genetics in Sinai are Lebanese?
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i bet contries that dont tradicionally grow tobacco (like UK)- dont have too much legislacion regarding the cultivation. But all countries that are depending on tax money of the tobacco industry - has regulacions. - a good reason to grow it. natural tobacco is so different to the ones in the ciggies..
peace
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i bet contries that dont tradicionally grow tobacco (like UK)- dont have too much legislacion regarding the cultivation. But all countries that are depending on tax money of the tobacco industry - has regulacions. - a good reason to grow it. natural tobacco is so different to the ones in the ciggies..
peace
sure does look sativa-ish !!!la mano negra said:ketama
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