morrocan strains

[reaperz]

i saw a video of hash being made in morocco, and was thinking to make these strains be more potent, would it make sense to leave some a g13 male in the middle of female plants, making them seed. then sprinkling these seeds around the field next growing season, allowing them to seed again(the ones that survive) then using this to grow a morepotent strain?

 

[motaco]

I don't understand.

how would that make it more potent? just cuz its g13 you mean?

I don't know it depends on what they are growing. if they are growing some native hashplants I'd so don't dare taint it with boring ass a'dam genes.

if they are already growing top 44 of something someone brought them in the 80s than yeah I guess so.

but overall I'm against it. we've got enough dutch shit over all the continents anyway. don't aid the spread.

 

[ngakpa]

one 'r' two 'c's

one 'r' two 'c's

reading some comments by Sam_S he feels that Morocco is one of the few places which is seeing a real increase in quality these days, due to the ongoing tolerance by central government and the king of large scale cultivation in the Rif areas

if Morocco was to bend over to the US and the like and attempt to enforce prohibtion then the entire economy of the Rif region would collapse with potentially disaaterous consequences - and bear in mind it is ethnically failry distinct from the rest of Morocco, so little imagination needed for what could happen

(enforced prohibition = invaluable illegal crops = criminal cash = underground arms = civil war = Congo, Senegal, Columbia, Afganistan, NWF, Burma etc. etc.)

but why introduce something wank like G-13?

with the size of crops they are able to grow in the Rif they have an ideal situation in which to select exceptional breeding plants from native hashish strains

there is an article for something like High Times where this American guy is going round Morocco criticising the way they are growing - one of his chief complaints was about how undernourished the plants are ... lol ...

clearly the guy was labouring under the illusion that you need to unrelentingly fertilise plants their entire life to produce good hash ...

 

[tiedye420]

I believe morroccan HP was once upon a time imported fropm Turkey, If i remember right. THE ONLY thing possible to renew the morroccans would be to re-introduce the original turkish strain again....OR as nga says select properly from the current genepool.
Don't even think of hybridizing landrace, the entire worlds germplasm is in danger of this already.
And even if you had the true landrace G-13, even one Bx'd to the sport of renowned fame =G-13 is afghani based... And an indica originally from the chu valley...not turkey.
Make your hybrids in the closet with filters please...
And about the fertilizer.. Any outdoor grower should know this, a good full season outdoor and mild fertilizers, mostly ammending soild in beginning of season is all that's nessesary. Outdoor plants have the luxury of reaching into the soil ,indoor obviously don't..
Why did you have to slam american growers, why not indoor growers?
one love my friends, one love...
JMHO

 

[Rosy Cheeks]

You know, it's no so much the genetics as the cultivation methods. Dutch growers have been trying to improve traditional Moroccoan cash-cropping since the 80's, but it's a slow process.
As to genetics, I believe many Moroccoan growers have been upgrading their genetics. Although, the Moroccoan hash that I've come across recently is still inferior to Dutch, and to my own (lol). It's a quantity-quality thing I believe.

 

[ngakpa]

the Moroccoan hash that I've come across recently is still inferior to Dutch, and to my own (lol).

hey RC - curious as to where you obtained this Moroccan hash?

The last time I was getting a bit of 'Amsterdamage' in, I still found the high grade Moroccan (e.g. in Die Twede Kammer ((spelled?))) to be superior to any of the Nederhash around. And the information on smoking in the Dam which I have seen suggests that most Dutch feel the same way.

My only visit to Morocco was in about '98/'99 and I didn't spend nearly enough time there that I would feel comfortable passing judgement on what the country has to offer. Likewise, the only people I know who live there are way over on the West coast and are non-smokers (useless!).

also RC, do you not think that cash-cropping and producing quality hash are two divergent goals - or was that you were saying?

Hiya tiedye420 - where did you get that info about Turkish strains? On the face of it it looks improbable to me, (though that doesn't of course mean it's wrong).

My bet would be that the basis of most Northern African drug strains would be with genetics that moved Westwards with the movement of Islam, and that those genetics form the bulk of the cannabis gene pool in Morocco ...

again, that's speculation on my part though, and I've no doubt that Europeans and North Americans have done much to alter that situation since the 60s and the beginnings of mass hashish export

 

[Thule]

There is sometimes REALLY good morocan hash around, I really miss that stuff. I will be growing some more maroc by female seeds next summer. It's pretty close to the originals, only with faster flowering. And about Moroccan genetics being originally from Turkey, interesting. I'm also going to grow a turkish strain I received from Denmark. Let's see how it tuns out.

 

[ngakpa]

There is sometimes REALLY good morocan hash around

too right man - often it gets named "King Hassan"

the nicest I have seen has a conspicuous red tinge, is soft (no need to heat), and has a distinctive oily sweet smoke, with a very pleasing taste and a full well-balanced high

you can usually get hold of it in London

unless I am mistaken, the original networks for import were set up by diplomats back in the 60s - or so I am told annecdotally by some dubious oldsters I know hehe

 

[ojd]

love a decent bit of morrocan, hard to come by these days

my friend went on a trip to morroco and got chatting with his tour guide and ended going back to some of the homes of this tour guides friends they ended up smoking kiff all night long, the next day the guides friend went up the riff and came back with kiff and seeds
my friend told me they smoke with some other herb also

they were very kind to my friend and took good care of him

i have these seeds now

another friend germed some and said they had very bad germination but got 2 out of like 10 but did not see them through

i went to see them they were very short and would start flowering early on after 7th node but he did not flower them he discarded them

i have a good 50 seeds left and will germ a couple next time i pop some seeds

will post up when i start
it will be at least amonth before i start

 

[ngakpa]

my friend told me they smoke with some other herb also

either wild tobacco, or datura I would think

 

[la mano negra]

either wild tobacco, or datura I would think

taba


beslama

 

[tiedye420]

I heard the turkish story somewhere in the past... Must have been 15 20 years ago at least....That i heard it...
I have a morroccan hashplant hand me down... I'll be popping some next month with the rest of my indicas slated for this year....Not many seeds so I'll not stress them until the pool is built up a bit better.
My donor disappeared but he'll show up when i'm running them i'm sure...
You guys are making me anxious, I was contemplating holding them back, because so much is on the burner this year...But this brings questions to my mind..
Maybe some of you could help me...
Is the soil in morrocco alkali? or clayish? what kind of native enviroment do they have?
I'm assuming sandy/alkali to clay soils, and a fairly hot & arid enviroment?
thanks

 

[reaperz]

and there i thought morrocan strains were rubbish shows what i kno .

 

[Rosy Cheeks]

Hey ngakpa. The Moroccoan hash I get (I don't buy it, but whenever it's around and I'm offered I don't say no) comes straight out of the country, from friends of friends who run their own circuit. Parisian suburbs are literally flooded with Rif mountain hash, so it comes in all varieties and qualities.
Perhaps you thought I said that Moroccoan hash was bad. Not at all. My homemade is still better though, and the connoiseur coffeeshops I frequent in Amsterdam generally sell better "Moroccoan" hash than what you get off the streets here.

Of course cash-cropping is detrimental to quality. Concidering the amounts of hash coming out of Morocco (their biggest export product!) you can't expect it to compete with Dutch highgrade. Although I'm sure that a toke from a Rif hashfarmer's personal stash would be quite a different experience. Everything is relative.

 

[ngakpa]

the Moroccan strains you can buy from the seedbanks may well be, but high grade Moroccan hash is pretty damn nice, certainly very popular with Europeans

hiya RC - no I didn't think you said M hash was bad, just got confused by your condensed style

 

[Raco]

I know a young moroccan guy from the Ketama area.I share with him everytime we meet.he´s a cool guy and very educated and smart.His father grows a lot of kif of two varieties:
One tall,up to 4 meters(12 ft),called "SAKWI"
The much shorter one (and very resinous) called "BALOOI"

 

[ngakpa]

nice names hehe - yeh I hear that there is effectively a whole "smokers' dialect" in Morocco - read something somewhere about a Moroccan student doing a thesis on it...

 

[scrappy2]

I agree about the Dutch genetic's being every where. Ive grown alot of them and none compared to American bred Afghani. Not to say some of the D- companies have nt put out some fine genetic's because they have. Im just saying collect the best you can find...then breed your own!

 

[Raco]

The "morito" asked me if I wanted to have that written in arab jejej
Do you know if is there arab letters? in the keyboard?
I remember of the "Bleu de Maroc" in the early 80´s,also short and very resinous

 

[masterlow37]

Morrocan Sativa

Morrocan Sativa

What about Female Seeds ~ Moroc Sativa : Anyone know more about this strain's heritage ?