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Perhaps the record levels of poppy in afghanistan will ease the rescheduling pain.
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the divide between medical and recreational is now greater here in Washington where the legislature and liquor control board have conspired to eliminate medical and their rights as patients.
all while things look smiley bright elsewhere...
even the language the new bill was written in uses the term 'marijuana' in place of "cannabis" in the draft of this pos legislation.
be very wary of recreational displacing medical in any attempt at legalization or decriminalization.
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all while things look smiley bright elsewhere...
even the language the new bill was written in uses the term 'marijuana' in place of "cannabis" in the draft of this pos legislation.
be very wary of recreational displacing medical in any attempt at legalization or decriminalization.
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The Feds know the change would mean big bucks though so if past history is any indication, and it is, expect the gov't to screw the pooch instead of doing the right thing. Yet some change HAS to happen.
I like what he said about the term "marijuana" too, should be "medical cannabis". Maybe the feds will see it that way. But that's just semantics and it's the ideas that are important.
I think he's a thoughtful, insightful man and can write well too. I am very willing to just forgive and forget, I think we really need to for progress to be made. That means him, anybody and everybody that was ever anti-cannabis.
I like what he said about the term "marijuana" too, should be "medical cannabis". Maybe the feds will see it that way. But that's just semantics and it's the ideas that are important.
I think he's a thoughtful, insightful man and can write well too. I am very willing to just forgive and forget, I think we really need to for progress to be made. That means him, anybody and everybody that was ever anti-cannabis.
I predict there will soon be a much more nuanced approach to regulating cannabis.
It's been evolving already thru legislation and public initiative.
What's likely to develop is a multi-phase approach to cannabis become law.
On medical, it will become more specific as to who can prescribe it, the dosage, the specific cannabinoid combinations for which conditions, what form the medical cannabis will take (plant, pill, oil) how much a medical user can possess, etc.
If you think that level of control is unattainable, it exists for pretty much every prescription drug already, so why would cannabis be treated differently? In fact, it is exactly what big Pharma wants, so you know they will get it.
On recreational, many places will keep it illegal, just as they can do with other things, thru zoning regulations, which will also keep growing under "control".
There will still be illegality involved for those who operate outside the law on cannabis. This will preserve some law enforcement involvement and justify keeping more cops.
It's been evolving already thru legislation and public initiative.
What's likely to develop is a multi-phase approach to cannabis become law.
On medical, it will become more specific as to who can prescribe it, the dosage, the specific cannabinoid combinations for which conditions, what form the medical cannabis will take (plant, pill, oil) how much a medical user can possess, etc.
If you think that level of control is unattainable, it exists for pretty much every prescription drug already, so why would cannabis be treated differently? In fact, it is exactly what big Pharma wants, so you know they will get it.
On recreational, many places will keep it illegal, just as they can do with other things, thru zoning regulations, which will also keep growing under "control".
There will still be illegality involved for those who operate outside the law on cannabis. This will preserve some law enforcement involvement and justify keeping more cops.
The reason why established pharmaceutical control won't work with Cannabis is "recreational." Weed is weed whatever bureaucratic label you want to put on it. If people don't like the way the bureaucracy stacks the deck in favor of big pharm then they will just opt for "recreational." Supply will fill demand whatever it wants to be. And further, if people don't like the tax or cop supervision of "recreational" then there remains a vast black market infrastructure already in place to fill demand.
I think the politicians and bureaucrats and the big capitalists are screwed on this one.
The difference with most prescription drugs is that cannabis is a plant anyone can grow. We can't grow our own medicine when it comes to most pharmaceuticals. We could grow our own morphine and codeine, but opium is addictive and potentially deadly. People tend to support the prohibition laws more when they hear stories about real addiction and overdoses.
I hope that legalization on a national level won't restrict people from growing whatever strains they want to grow. I don't believe the American public will support laws that ban personal grows and force med patients to buy overpriced pharmaceutical cannabinoids.
Thoughtful & well said. Thank You.
I like this proposal-
http://polis.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=318723
Well, better than anything else that even has a prayer.
I sincerely believe, however, that the Colorado legalization experience will utterly discredit prohibitionists. All we've ever needed was the chance to show that legalization is sound policy, and now we have it. Not utterly repressive & controlling "legalization" that the WA legislature seems to want, but something open & easy going, where we can buy it, grow it, share it & enjoy it responsibly. And that's just what's happening. Now that the "New" is wearing off, we need to make it as normal as beer at a Bronco game- accepted, respectable, just part of life, no big deal to non-participants. So far, so good. There was a piece on the news a while back about not letting your pets get your edibles which was actually rather neutral about it all. I think it's great that's all the news they can come up with about legalization.
A big part of the strength of prohibition was in the fact that it was universal in this country, a solid wall, unblemished. I like to think of what's happening as a slow motion version of snapping a spring loaded center punch on a piece of tempered glass. Once flawed, cohesiveness collapses completely. Colorado is the point of impact. It'll just take awhile, I'm afraid.
There is another new article about mmj in today's CNN. We here could shoot so many holes in it that could become a discussion/thread itself. Like they speak of Marinol and Sativex as alternatives. But reports are actually they don't work as well as flowers. Or some brilliant anti-weed doctor states most physicians are "scared" to prescribe Sched I drugs. But that isn't the issue at all. Doctors CANNOT prescribe Sched I drugs even if any weren't "scared". This bs is from a learned DOCTOR? They talk about the harms of smoking yet completely fail to mention vaping or edibles as a means of ingestion. There are other stupid things but those are a couple that particularly riled me.
But at least the main-stream discussion is happening. I do think big Pharma is trying to control it even now. Using flowers in what ever way you need will always be best overall, whether in wax, vaping, in edibles what have you. But they can't control that. It is actually the combination and all of it together that works. Not just the chemicals CBD or THC, but ratios and all the cannabinoids including the terpenes. Only the plant can produce that. Synthesizing cannot.
But big Pharma will try very hard to control this somehow and will use all the gov't agencies and propaganda in general as their tools. But at least the discussion is going on and in the end, the truth always comes out.
But at least the main-stream discussion is happening. I do think big Pharma is trying to control it even now. Using flowers in what ever way you need will always be best overall, whether in wax, vaping, in edibles what have you. But they can't control that. It is actually the combination and all of it together that works. Not just the chemicals CBD or THC, but ratios and all the cannabinoids including the terpenes. Only the plant can produce that. Synthesizing cannot.
But big Pharma will try very hard to control this somehow and will use all the gov't agencies and propaganda in general as their tools. But at least the discussion is going on and in the end, the truth always comes out.
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before there was amendment 64 there was amendment 20. back then the state AG ( a real liberal guy named salazar) sent letters to doctors threatening all kinds of stupid shit
thing have changed a whole lot in a decade haven't they? some doctors are actually there to help because they aren't afraid anymore. we still have a long way to go but progress has and will continue to be made
the dam is broken and the water will pick up speed. no stopping some things:yay:
thing have changed a whole lot in a decade haven't they? some doctors are actually there to help because they aren't afraid anymore. we still have a long way to go but progress has and will continue to be made
the dam is broken and the water will pick up speed. no stopping some things:yay:
He is OK. But it still chaps my ass that he acts as if getting high on pot is a bad thing. Why do we drink beer? It is for the buzz, not because it is going to cure our ills. We should be able to smoke ganja for the same damn reason. And in Colorado, you can now. When the world does not collapse in Colorado and Washington with recreational pot, the rest of the states will climb all over each other for the tax money, like they did for the lottery and casino gambling.
Or a little kid pointing out the obvious fact that the emperor has no clothes.
Anyone who has ever got drunk and high on ganja knows that no only is pot not more dangerous than alcohol, but that alcohol is way more toxic and dangerous than ganja.
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3/11/14 @ 10pm on CNN.
I dove by the CNN building in Atlanta today & there is a flashing billboard up advertising this documentary!! Actually I think it was the TNT building right off I-75N.
woot woot
I dove by the CNN building in Atlanta today & there is a flashing billboard up advertising this documentary!! Actually I think it was the TNT building right off I-75N.
woot woot
yup...will we spot any more mildew ????? stay tuned
im glad that gupta is speaking up and things are turning around, since he is considered to be one of "their" own. its always a shock to the straight laced system when one of their own makes sense out of something that the government says shouldn't. they love their "in the box" train of thought so for them one of their own has to bring things into the box so to speak and get them to peek out from under the rocks that they think are so safe to be under thinking that they are untouchable.
things like this always take a level of sacrifice and that's the shameful part. the cannabis movement has always transcended race/ethnicity/gender in my view; there has always been a "we" for this and the more we move along the "we" is expanding not only physically but, more importantly, mentally as well.
ive never cared whether it was indoor or outdoor, outspoken or quiet, hidden or open, sativa or indica, medicinal or recreational, large or small, hydro or soil as long as you did your part to get the medicine to others and overgrow the planet then you did your part and the sacrifices aren't in vein and our means will always be conducive to besides justify our ends.
I don't care whether ive gotten along with you or not, agreed with you or not, argued with you or not, whether you believe it or not but this plant does connect us to a specific degree and lumps us in thereby creating a "one another".
keep it up ppl, I think were starting to see that goal line and the fed will have no choice but to either shit or get off the pot since they cant get to all of us. they'll have to come around and for their own good it'd better be damned soon!
we all have our set backs but you guys on IC have helped me the most and have taught me to never stop or give up because of set backs and i thank you all for that! grow strong guys and don't stop!!!
things like this always take a level of sacrifice and that's the shameful part. the cannabis movement has always transcended race/ethnicity/gender in my view; there has always been a "we" for this and the more we move along the "we" is expanding not only physically but, more importantly, mentally as well.
ive never cared whether it was indoor or outdoor, outspoken or quiet, hidden or open, sativa or indica, medicinal or recreational, large or small, hydro or soil as long as you did your part to get the medicine to others and overgrow the planet then you did your part and the sacrifices aren't in vein and our means will always be conducive to besides justify our ends.
I don't care whether ive gotten along with you or not, agreed with you or not, argued with you or not, whether you believe it or not but this plant does connect us to a specific degree and lumps us in thereby creating a "one another".
keep it up ppl, I think were starting to see that goal line and the fed will have no choice but to either shit or get off the pot since they cant get to all of us. they'll have to come around and for their own good it'd better be damned soon!
we all have our set backs but you guys on IC have helped me the most and have taught me to never stop or give up because of set backs and i thank you all for that! grow strong guys and don't stop!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAFu-Ihwyzg
Mostly good. Focuses on just one friggin' sob story though. Mentions what a huge political football this all is but doesn't say how much money and big Pharma lobbying and bs like that what are really behind the roadblocks, and THAT's the truth. Hugely over produced and edited.
But still, I think something is better than nothing. And mom and pop middle America may start understanding better the problems. Actually just showed me what a huge bucket of shit is going to be thrown at us now that the government is getting involved. Thanks for that heads up reminder though doc.
These big self important docs like that idiot head at the NYU neurology department piss me right off. So now psychosis is a danger for people under 25 now? What garbage. And it all started from a hugely flawed study that mentioned mj use MAY contribute to the psychosis among some of the of the people that used as teenagers that were in that study. Just speculation. Not a finding. Now it becomes those under 25 are susceptible? Just propaganda until proven ass-wipe. Why was that bogus statement even allowed in the piece? And our medical system is just full of idiots like him, and led by dopes like that too.
At least the little girl is getting the help she needs.
Mostly good. Focuses on just one friggin' sob story though. Mentions what a huge political football this all is but doesn't say how much money and big Pharma lobbying and bs like that what are really behind the roadblocks, and THAT's the truth. Hugely over produced and edited.
But still, I think something is better than nothing. And mom and pop middle America may start understanding better the problems. Actually just showed me what a huge bucket of shit is going to be thrown at us now that the government is getting involved. Thanks for that heads up reminder though doc.
These big self important docs like that idiot head at the NYU neurology department piss me right off. So now psychosis is a danger for people under 25 now? What garbage. And it all started from a hugely flawed study that mentioned mj use MAY contribute to the psychosis among some of the of the people that used as teenagers that were in that study. Just speculation. Not a finding. Now it becomes those under 25 are susceptible? Just propaganda until proven ass-wipe. Why was that bogus statement even allowed in the piece? And our medical system is just full of idiots like him, and led by dopes like that too.
At least the little girl is getting the help she needs.
PM extravaganza at the Sativex Pharm, Sativex is made from the leaf and buds according to their patents…
I've got it figured out why Gupta did this second documentary, that pretty much is a replay of his first one. This one, while expounding on the medical benefits of cannabis, largely focused on the large scale grows for big Pharma and the obvious need for standards and quality control. He focused too on the drawbacks of buying cannabis from dispensaries, how you really couldn't be sure of what you are getting, and whether that is needed for your medical problems or not.
Indeed by highlighting CBD, and how it doesn't get you high, but provides most of the medical benefits, I could hear Big Pharma speaking thru Dr. Gupta, preparing the public and politicians for rescheduling the drug so more research could be done in the US by these companies.
So now the propaganda focus of Dr. Gupta here is preparing the road for Big Pharma to be the main supplier of medical grade cannabis.
I can understand how this appeals to Dr. Gupta and anyone in the medical profession. Their goal is to provide medicine that is safe and consistent in quality and dosage. He showed how variable these things could be coming from a dispensary, but how perfectly measured they are coming from a big Pharm company like GW.
So I'm now thinking, as always, Dr. Gupta is still a pawn for Big PHarma. They now see the writing on the walls and want to cash in big time with medical marijuana. With Dr. Gupta as their new spokesman, they can convince legislators that the time for legalization of medical cannabis has come, and only big pharma can do it right.
And if you see the new trend in decriminalization/legalization, it's now cracking down on those who grow their own (by limiting the number of flowering plants or banning it completely). I see even more prohibition on this coming soon. They'll have one homegrown "scare" after another get publicized to encourage politicians to vote against allowing homegrown pot. This is essential for big biz to control both medical and recreational pot.
So all those who've been saying "let's regulate pot like alcohol" may regret supporting that notion, when they can't grow their own and can only buy from big commercial tobacco companies or Big Pharma.
Indeed by highlighting CBD, and how it doesn't get you high, but provides most of the medical benefits, I could hear Big Pharma speaking thru Dr. Gupta, preparing the public and politicians for rescheduling the drug so more research could be done in the US by these companies.
So now the propaganda focus of Dr. Gupta here is preparing the road for Big Pharma to be the main supplier of medical grade cannabis.
I can understand how this appeals to Dr. Gupta and anyone in the medical profession. Their goal is to provide medicine that is safe and consistent in quality and dosage. He showed how variable these things could be coming from a dispensary, but how perfectly measured they are coming from a big Pharm company like GW.
So I'm now thinking, as always, Dr. Gupta is still a pawn for Big PHarma. They now see the writing on the walls and want to cash in big time with medical marijuana. With Dr. Gupta as their new spokesman, they can convince legislators that the time for legalization of medical cannabis has come, and only big pharma can do it right.
And if you see the new trend in decriminalization/legalization, it's now cracking down on those who grow their own (by limiting the number of flowering plants or banning it completely). I see even more prohibition on this coming soon. They'll have one homegrown "scare" after another get publicized to encourage politicians to vote against allowing homegrown pot. This is essential for big biz to control both medical and recreational pot.
So all those who've been saying "let's regulate pot like alcohol" may regret supporting that notion, when they can't grow their own and can only buy from big commercial tobacco companies or Big Pharma.
this was just propaganda.
he clearly was telling america that medical cannabis needs to come/can only come from gw or someother big pharma
its an ad for regulation
oh and how nice to see rich oil kids get all the credit for some shit they had no idea what was before they knew about the money in it, that shit made me mad, b/c thats the same corp world we live in regarding most other facets of our lives, as consumers at least.
regulation is bullshit, ill still be in norcal puffin homegrown flowers and making medicine for patients, Gupta can keep his irradiated weed.
he clearly was telling america that medical cannabis needs to come/can only come from gw or someother big pharma
its an ad for regulation
oh and how nice to see rich oil kids get all the credit for some shit they had no idea what was before they knew about the money in it, that shit made me mad, b/c thats the same corp world we live in regarding most other facets of our lives, as consumers at least.
regulation is bullshit, ill still be in norcal puffin homegrown flowers and making medicine for patients, Gupta can keep his irradiated weed.
Skip made a good analysis I think.
My impression is that Gupta is gonna tow the party line. He knows who ultimately pays him and controls everything, including the fucking federal government. It's big money and that means big Pharma. So the feds can remove it from Sched. I, can make own med rules including penalties for growing, and that keeps all those people happy. Big Pharma will still profit, jails can still hold growers, less bitching from sick people, the list goes on. But all us home-growers will still be breaking the law while still producing a way better product so we can treat ourselves.
I suppose when all that shit about medical they are playing at is said and done, the only real way is total legalization like CO did.
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My impression is that Gupta is gonna tow the party line. He knows who ultimately pays him and controls everything, including the fucking federal government. It's big money and that means big Pharma. So the feds can remove it from Sched. I, can make own med rules including penalties for growing, and that keeps all those people happy. Big Pharma will still profit, jails can still hold growers, less bitching from sick people, the list goes on. But all us home-growers will still be breaking the law while still producing a way better product so we can treat ourselves.
I suppose when all that shit about medical they are playing at is said and done, the only real way is total legalization like CO did.
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