More Fems?

[The Hatter]

There are indeed more feminized versions being released this season: the new Malawi fem, Golden Tiger fem, Zamaldelica fem and Congo fem. All of them available now at Seedboutique.

We also have a new Purple Haze x Malawi killer fem limited edition that is about to be released, and more fem stock will be available for the second half of 2013 and 2014

Regards! dubi - ACE Seeds -

The congo fem sounds interesting. How does it compare to the original as far as leaning one way or the other towards PCK or Congo or is it very similiar to the regular?

 

[Gerardbutler79]

Thanks for the advice, Gerardbutler. But of course, I didn't buy Zamaldelica to look for a clear Thai effect. I want max trippiness, but without the heavy body which the Malawi can introduce, so the speedy and clear Thai mixed in seems advantageous to me.
Nevertheless, it's great that Zamal x Malawi is offered, for those looking for the roughest African trip.

Seems we all want the same thing but for whatever reason they're not being made. I'm not in Dubi's shoes so I can't say what's practical to offer and whats not. Just happy to see whats available. But check out the reports on Angola/Thai and Zamal/Thai F1's. You'll see complaints from a respected IC member's wife about offering the angola as if she owned the plant. I didn't know LMN but I followed some of his work on here and could tell you he wasn't a selfish person by any means. He would of liked for other people to enjoy the angolese whether pure or F1's, whether being sold or given away. Any rational person understands that you can't support yourself by giving stuff away so I don't go asking for freebies or request Dubi to work on something for free. That's ridiculous. Anyway with that being said I'm sure if enough people request Zamal F1 crosses with Thai, Haze etc. than perhaps Dubi will honor it and make many happy customers. Til than..

 

[Painfull]

Glad to see those Malawi fems being sold. I think I will give it a go after the grow of some old Flo that was like 9 years old...lol... I was going to ask if it could be done inside with a 400w lamp but I seen someone on the board showed it was possible. Any surjections, hit me up.....

Painfull

 

[inquest]

Tom endorses feminized breeding as a TOOL to more effectively provide selective pressure, cost/space managment, etc. in your breeding/grow program. As stated, there is NOTHING inferior in quality/viability/etc.

The only problem with "fems" is that people believe that they are somehow inferior. This is a lack of understanding on the human side of things. Just like the world used to be flat, and we were the center of the universe, and science used to be considered magic.

I do all my grows 12/12 from seed and pure sats take forever to show sex! Especially the unworked varieties, Luang, GN Thai stick, or whatever. Depending on the variety, planter size, and individual you might have months of time and space used up by plants you're just going to cull. That time and space could have gone towards useable plants/product, or to increase the number of girls you have to find a keeper.

In outdoor grows, who wants to waste the space, or the time and effort to cull males you didn't have to plant in the first place?

Regs have their place for sure, but for most modern grows they make about as much sense as bringing a baseball bat to a hockey game.

 

[Painfull]

A lot of grower knock feminized seeds because I guess they are more expensive and think they are inferior to regular seeds. Seed to weed grows are convenient for this type of grower. So I thank breeders like Ace that respects all the growers and allow us all the choice how we want to grow.


Painfull

 

[Gerardbutler79]

Tom endorses feminized breeding as a TOOL to more effectively provide selective pressure, cost/space managment, etc. in your breeding/grow program. As stated, there is NOTHING inferior in quality/viability/etc.

The only problem with "fems" is that people believe that they are somehow inferior. This is a lack of understanding on the human side of things. Just like the world used to be flat, and we were the center of the universe, and science used to be considered magic.

I do all my grows 12/12 from seed and pure sats take forever to show sex! Especially the unworked varieties, Luang, GN Thai stick, or whatever. Depending on the variety, planter size, and individual you might have months of time and space used up by plants you're just going to cull. That time and space could have gone towards useable plants/product, or to increase the number of girls you have to find a keeper.

In outdoor grows, who wants to waste the space, or the time and effort to cull males you didn't have to plant in the first place?

Regs have their place for sure, but for most modern grows they make about as much sense as bringing a baseball bat to a hockey game.

Thank you

A lot of grower knock feminized seeds because I guess they are more expensive and think they are inferior to regular seeds. Seed to weed grows are convenient for this type of grower. So I thank breeders like Ace that respects all the growers and allow us all the choice how we want to grow.


Painfull

Actually I believe they knock em because they're afraid. They have a hippie like delusional attachment to the plant as well. Its a hippie state of mind. Feminized seeds to them is messing with nature etc OR.. they just hate paying for seeds.. OR.. they're conservative control freaks and dislike any sort of change to their routine hence growing fems instead of regs. This sort probably watches fox news. Very childish. I believe modern cannabis is something man helped develop to serve us, not the other way around. These lines weren't something that just naturally occurred outside of southeast asia. Every "landrace" thats been found in other parts of the world was BROUGHT there. And before it was brought there, I'm sure it was being bred from hemp to something worth consuming hence being MANIPULATED by man. This delusional fantasy some people have that modern cannabis is intertwined with all of nature is just that, a fantasy.

 

[SeedsOfFreedom]

A lot of grower knock feminized seeds because I guess they are more expensive and think they are inferior to regular seeds. Seed to weed grows are convenient for this type of grower. So I thank breeders like Ace that respects all the growers and allow us all the choice how we want to grow.


Painfull

I would also like to thank Ace Seeds for taking care of everybody(fems and regs). I run mostly regular seeds but some feminized when I must(some of my best mums are fems). I don't mind feminized, but I like having males for breeding. Regardless of the demand I hope seed companies keep regulars and feminized. To all seed producers - please keep both regular lines and feminized available! Feminized lines are great for growers with limits on space, time, and plant counts. Just don't forget us that prefer the regular lines either! To each his own, but please don't forget anyone.

 

[Gerardbutler79]

I agree. But nobody is asking for the abolishment of regular seeds. Seems thats what certain people think this thread is about. And I don't understand why they get that impression. In the first post:
Hey Dubi whats up. I wanted to get your thoughts on making feminised seeds with your select cuts? For example, your Vietnam Black with Gerrit's Zamal. I think of how well Charlie's mextiza came out and assume we'd get more "next level" plants with these fem crosses. Personally, all I can grow of yours are the fem seeds indoors. Have no room for any males unfortunately when growing these exotic sativas and can't do em outdoors where I live.
No where did I ask Ace to get rid of regs and only offer fems.

 

[Galactic]

Really all you did was ask Dubi a question. You can do that in a private message then you fool.

 

[Cryptlord9999]

Tom endorses feminized breeding as a TOOL to more effectively provide selective pressure, cost/space managment, etc. in your breeding/grow program. As stated, there is NOTHING inferior in quality/viability/etc.

The only problem with "fems" is that people believe that they are somehow inferior. This is a lack of understanding on the human side of things. Just like the world used to be flat, and we were the center of the universe, and science used to be considered magic.

I do all my grows 12/12 from seed and pure sats take forever to show sex! Especially the unworked varieties, Luang, GN Thai stick, or whatever. Depending on the variety, planter size, and individual you might have months of time and space used up by plants you're just going to cull. That time and space could have gone towards useable plants/product, or to increase the number of girls you have to find a keeper.

In outdoor grows, who wants to waste the space, or the time and effort to cull males you didn't have to plant in the first place?

Regs have their place for sure, but for most modern grows they make about as much sense as bringing a baseball bat to a hockey game.

Your problem here is that most long flowering sativa's do not finish properly under 12/12 lighting and require 11/13 or less to finish properly. I use the 12-1 veg method and then flower under 10/14 for the first half of flowering and 9/15 the second half of flowering, my plants start to show sex within a week AT MOST! And I prefer the longer flowering equatorial sativa's. I also only grow regular seeds and grow indoors, I have no space issues or problems culling males. By week 2 of veg I can take cuttings and immediately throw them into a cloner under 11/13 lighting and allow them to root and start showing sex, a one to two weeks later by the time I start to be limited on space I can start cutting out the male plants, by planting 2x-3x what I need I guarantee having enough flowering females and can sex and cull the males before I even begin flowering. Fem seeds are great for just regular closet grows of 1-4 plants, but anything more and its just not economical to use fem seeds. Besides you can always just develop a nice mother plant to take cuttings from if space is that much of an issue and there is more genetic diversity in regular seeds meaning there are more phenotypes and resin profiles for a given strain meaning wider medical potential. Fem seeds tend to be far more uniform meaning a pest or disease could decimate an entire crop or strain, where as regular seeds can produce individuals that are more resistant to said disease/pest. Say for example we have Indica strain A which is susceptible to spider mights and indica strain B which is susceptible to mold and we have four separate sealed flowering rooms. In each room we have a monocrop of indica strain A and indica strain B as well as feminized versions in opposing rooms. Now we release spider mights into the rooms containing indica strain A both the regular and feminized version and mold into indica strain B both regular and feminized. Since the feminized seeds have a lot more uniformity there is greater chance of these pests/disease destroying the entire crops where as the more variability of resistances amongst regular seeds (even IBL's that are susceptible to certain pests/disease will produce offspring with more resistance from now to then) giving a greater chance of at least harvesting something. Planting multiple strains/varieties also helps increase chances of a successful harvest (especially outdoors). This is not taking into account environmental factors either which would just go to show fem seeds to be inferior as their increased uniformity/decreased diversity equates to plants with less genetic potential and fewer positive genetics to pass on, with a lessened chance of surviving in sub par conditions.

 

[Cryptlord9999]

Thank you



Actually I believe they knock em because they're afraid. They have a hippie like delusional attachment to the plant as well. Its a hippie state of mind. Feminized seeds to them is messing with nature etc OR.. they just hate paying for seeds.. OR.. they're conservative control freaks and dislike any sort of change to their routine hence growing fems instead of regs. This sort probably watches fox news. Very childish. I believe modern cannabis is something man helped develop to serve us, not the other way around. These lines weren't something that just naturally occurred outside of southeast asia. Every "landrace" thats been found in other parts of the world was BROUGHT there. And before it was brought there, I'm sure it was being bred from hemp to something worth consuming hence being MANIPULATED by man. This delusional fantasy some people have that modern cannabis is intertwined with all of nature is just that, a fantasy.

A landrace is a local variety of a domesticated animal or plant species which has developed largely by natural processes,[1] by adaptation to the natural and cultural environment in which it lives. It differs from a formal breed which has been selectively bred deliberately to conform to a particular formal, purebreed standard of traits. Landraces are usually more genetically and physically diverse than formal breeds. Many formal breeds originated from attempts to make landraces more consistent, and sometimes a particular type has both landrace and formal breed populations. Sometimes a formalised breed retains a landrace name, despite no longer being a true landrace. When an animal landrace is codified as a pedigree breed without significant selective breeding to alter it, though often to lock in its defining traits, it is often referred to as a natural breed or traditional breed by breeder and fancier organisations. Similarly, the term traditional variety is sometimes applied to plant landraces.
Landraces are distinct from ancestral species of modern stock, and from separate species or subspecies derived from the same ancestor as modern domestic stock. Landraces are not all derived from ancient stock unmodified by human breeding interests. In a number of cases, most commonly dogs, domestic animals have reverted to "wild" status by escaping in sufficient numbers in an area to breed feral populations that, through evolutionary pressure, form new landraces in only a few centuries. Modern plant cultivars can also fairly quickly produce new landraces through undirected breeding

 

[inquest]

Agreed, Buying a lot of Fem seed isn't very economical. Neither is having 2-3 times the necessary plants (overstock) hanging around. Making your own fems is super easy though, and takes a few square feet for thousands of seed.

Fem seed can be just as diverse as reg. If you're getting limited expression it because of INBREEDING not fem vs reg. Most likely an S1 of a fairly stable individual, or S1's in their recent ancestry.

Equatorial daylength varies between 11.5/12.5 and 12.5/11.5. I too have dropped the daylength down around 9-10 hours. Didn't speed things up markedly.

Btw, this thread is about resource management, not imagined superiorities of fem vs reg.

 

[Cryptlord9999]

Agreed, Buying a lot of Fem seed isn't very economical. Neither is having 2-3 times the necessary plants (overstock) hanging around. Making your own fems is super easy though, and takes a few square feet for thousands of seed.

Fem seed can be just as diverse as reg. If you're getting limited expression it because of INBREEDING not fem vs reg. .

I cull the males and overstock of females before they start to get cramped for space, meaning I also have a larger group of female plants from which to choose the healthiest and hardiest. On another note fem seeds are not as diverse as regular seeds as they utilize two female chromosomes to create all female seeds, this creates greater uniformity then using both male and female chromosomes which add their genetic potential to the offspring, if you have two females then you do not get hidden genetic potential passed on by male plants. Traditional breeding methods create plants that are much less finicky and are hardier in outdoor settings with a greater chance of survival.

 

[Gerardbutler79]

I cull the males and overstock of females before they start to get cramped for space, meaning I also have a larger group of female plants from which to choose the healthiest and hardiest. On another note fem seeds are not as diverse as regular seeds as they utilize two female chromosomes to create all female seeds, this creates greater uniformity then using both male and female chromosomes which add their genetic potential to the offspring, if you have two females then you do not get hidden genetic potential passed on by male plants. Traditional breeding methods create plants that are much less finicky and are hardier in outdoor settings with a greater chance of survival.

I don't want to sound like some arjan pro monsanto type character but "traditional" breeding isn't going to matter much longer. Neither will seeds to most growers. Why? Because everyone's favorite lines will be preserved via tissue culture. End of story. So whether Dubi or Charlie decide to do this (Make S1's or F1's with their keeper cuts) in a few years it won't matter since everyone will be able to do it themselves if they wish to. I'm just bringing the idea up now instead of later.

 

[Galactic]

Cool, here's your +k. Have a nice day.

 

[Cryptlord9999]

I don't want to sound like some arjan pro monsanto type character but "traditional" breeding isn't going to matter much longer. Neither will seeds to most growers. Why? Because everyone's favorite lines will be preserved via tissue culture. End of story. So whether Dubi or Charlie decide to do this (Make S1's or F1's with their keeper cuts) in a few years it won't matter since everyone will be able to do it themselves if they wish to. I'm just bringing the idea up now instead of later.

Tissue culture has its place, but it will not eliminate seeds, clones as well as tissue culture produce plants that only develop lateral roots. Seed grown plants howewever grow both a tap root AND lateral roots. Tap roots dig deep into the ground searching out sources of water and nutrients as well as helping keep the plant grounded. Seed grown plants are hardier, have tap roots and are not genetic clones, meaning more variance and therefore are more likely to survive, especially in an outdoor setting. Clones/tissue culture grown plants are genetic copies of the mother plant, meaning they share the same resistances and weaknesses to pest/disease/environment, seed grown plants are less likely to succumb to pest/disease/environment then clone/tissue culture (after the plants come out of the sterilized containers). Clones and tissue culture are great if you want uniformity, but not if you want flexibility.

 

[yoss33]

I don't think that clones and tissue culture will make seeds disappear.
Yes, most fellows want to grow the best of the best, or rather what is popularly agreed to be best, so that they can say "I have the best".
But then, there are other people, like me, who like variety and exotics. This is what seeds give. I grow different plants every season. I like some a lot but don't keep them as clones. I let them go and keep only the good memories. I have a lot of good memories from plants that I don't even know what they were (bagseeds) but I remember each one's structure, leaves, smell, high. They were not the most potent, some couldn't finish correctly and yielded low, but each one has character and is felt like an own child.
I can't imagine that instead of all the good memories of various plants, all I have is memories of different yields, fertilizers, lights and training of the same few glorious clones that everyone has. As if we all want to have the same children, clones from someone else's super children.

 

[Gerardbutler79]

Cryptlord, Yoss, Inquest, Seeds of Freedom.. you guys make some good points.