moonshine mix

[Sam Slambam]

howdy all you fine folks out there! I am new to these parts and it's great to be in such pleasent and genuinely kind company. Seriously. It's so nice to know there are people out there just like me, ( well as far as the main reason we are all here at least),.

The matter at hand....

I started using the Moonshine mix w/out even realising that's what I was using. I just looked at all three bags and thought that they all seemed so good on their own that they have to kick ass mixed together. Then low and behold I found this thread! It is, as the Germans say, Der Zietgiest, the ghost of the times.

I made the mix w/out the POM or any xtra Perlite added to the mix, didnt know it was something to even consider at the time, so my ladies are in just the 3bags and that is that. I water with RO water ph'ed to 6.8. I have been using Maxicrop and BioGrow, ( which I believe is mainly just Molasses, can anyone confirm?), but I've been unsure if I need to use either of them and if it is ok to use them how often I can water with them? I would love to hear anyones thoughts on that topic as well as wether or not I should use any calmag at all.


Would it be advantageous to lower the PH in flower?


This grow is bagseed w/ a 600 w mh in veg and a 600 w hps in flower, it is my first grow and Im only growing for headstash, I am after quality, not quantity. I am still getting ventilation and watering dialed in. Im using bagseed b/c I didnt want to waste my quality genes on the first grow, ( i have mountain jam and bogglegum in que for that, maybe a cross of the two, "mountain gum"? ),.


I started them under cfl's in 16oz cups and had some major problems off the bat. The leaves all yellowed and got sort of burnt looking and became very "crisp" feeling to the touch. I came to believe this was due to them getting rootbound, overwatering and PH fluctuations as I was using the shitty color strips or no PH adjustment at all , ( again, all with RO ),. I had been told that one didnt need to adjust water for plants in FFOF because the oyster shells adjust for you. I came to disagree. I have found that the plants respond much better to PH'ed water. Unfortunately, i think the initial shock the ladies experienced has affected them negatively in a permenant way. I think I waited too long on transplating them into the next bigger container. I think the LightWarrior encourages such healthy and rapid root growth that the plants very quickly outgrow the 16oz'ers. Once I transplanted, they perked up majorly, overnight. and within a few days they were looking amazing. They even stink already. I would like to agree with everyone else, watering being dialed in is THE KEY. Im STILL figuring it out, but I love it, best hobby EVER!!

Here is my main question, at this stage in the game, what would you do if these were your details:


plants are one month old ( pix to follow ), easily 20" tall, seem more or less healthy ( although veg growth seeeeems to have slowed a bit ),

theyve been in their current containers for about two weeks now or a lil longer. Ive got 4 galloners just waiting for them, would you transplant now?
And can I get away with flowering in the mix knowing that I am ONLY using the 3bags, ( no perlite or POM )? I do have so BioBizz flower nutes.

Would you start 12/12 now? or wait and let them veg a lil longer? space is 4x4x7. Also is there much advantage to the technique of leaving the ladies in 36 hrs dark before beginning 12/12?



Also, would you wait to switch to the HPS for any reason once in 12/12 or just jump straight in with it?


Sorry for all the questions, I am a newbie and have MANY MANY more but I dont want to scare anyone, haha, I feel bad enough already!

pix, how are they looking for a month old, ( unknown genetics taken into consideration and all ),? I feel like they look great, but see alot of people with much bigger plants at this stage in the game. This is only two of 6.



thanks to everyone who helps make all of this possible, I hope to extend the same gratitude to those like me once I get some experience under my belt, and I wont be able to do that w/out the likes of fine folks such as yourselves!

 

[gratefuldawg]

Hey whats up Sam... Glad you made it here. They look like a indica/sativa mix, so I'd say they'll stretch around 2-3x, so plan for height. I think maybe they could be bigger, maybe your light was to close? The nodes look really close together. Looks like your gonna only have 1 main top, whereas you could have a lot more at a even canopy. Search LST, and supercropping. Get a bunch of multiple tops at a even canopy. You can bend the shit out of ganj. Shit..after all, it is a weed. I like to think of it as a beautiful flower, but it's a fuckin weed that'll take a lot of shit.(in veg,lol)

36 hours of darkness before 12/12...KISS, keep it simple SAM,lol. Why fuck up somethin that already works..!? Now the 48-72 hours of complete darkness after flower is a different topic. Id like to know thoughts on that one. If you want darkness say @ 9-9 turn off your light at 9, put in your timer to go on at 9, 10 minutes before 9 put the HPS in and your set. I have a switchable ballast, not sure what you use, but for fire safety..make sure you have that part right. Put the day you switch on some kind of calender.

Personally I'd let them get a little bigger, but that's cause I can only grow very few, and I'd smoke 20+ of those in 3 months or whatever. I can only have 6 too, and I also have a 4x4x7 area, you must have a hydrohut or homebox huh? Things rule. Make sure your getting lots of fresh air in there, and keep the temps down if its zipped up. What size are those pots right now? If their 2 or less, transplant now and give em time to root up a lil before switchin to 12/12. You could always add the POM when you transplant, watch out for over feeding if so. You say your using RO water, watch out for Cal/mag defic's. I've found 3-5ml a gallon of calmag plus to work, but I'm really interested in using molasses. I'm kinda high and tired right now, so if I missed some, Holla.

clockin out-

 

[mysta177]

Wow sam looks nice keep er going.
Thanks to all you others for posting your results. It makes it much easier for the next run. Me .....I keep her the same basic MSMix. The only experimenting Ive done in the past year is cal mag, sweet,pmaxx. So far sweet and pmaxx are out. Im going to use the cal mag 30days into flowrer to see if I get the same result as last time. I only run distilled water so soon well see. Here a pic at day 10 in MSMix ...SSSDH,OG,OGSFV,Chem(unknown)Cross and soon to add Orange kush (tomarrow).

And my new goodies I recieved today

 

[mysta177]

Word MSM, this is why this thread is a sticky, it's a popular mix and like any good recipe alot of love went into it.
Peeps post your pics using this mix.
Peace
Suby

So I go to the Organic Soil thread and Bam MSMix is on the top as a sticky...Now I know what you mean I never use that route to get to this page. Thanks Suby for helping more growers see this thread

 

[Guest]

hey all, just wanted to give a little update. I amended the mix with coco (almost a full bag of bcuzz) and have noticed faster growth already (using strains that i have run a couple of times with the mix) along side a plant in just the plain mix. The plants in coco have noticably thicker stalks and what look to be larger bud sites.

I anticipate having to feed them at some point since there is less ferts now per volume of soil mix, so maybe this may not be useful to many. But for others that are looking for more yield without losing the taste, this may be a workable solution. I'll know how the taste compares in several weeks

 

[gratefuldawg]

Yo Mysta, whats up bro... Can't wait to see the SFV..!.And the rest, but mainly the SFV after the pics and reports I've read here at IC. Nice job hunting down those Kush x's seeds with all the seedbay whackos on here. I only picked up gonzo #2. Kush x basic 5 skunk. Oh well. Hopefully find a roadkill skunky kush in there.

Zor... The only thing that would confuse me with your mix is the PH. I'm pretty sure in Coco you want the same ph as hydro (5.8), and soil it's more like 6.5-7. Where you at right now. Lets see some snow!

 

[Guest]

Zor... The only thing that would confuse me with your mix is the PH. I'm pretty sure in Coco you want the same ph as hydro (5.8), and soil it's more like 6.5-7. Where you at right now. Lets see some snow!

grateful, Im currently feeding just plain water from the tap which is 7.1 and there doesnt seem to be any issues with PH. I'm sure some fo the organic gurus can give a better answer than this but from what i've read in burn 1's posts, ph doesnt matter in organics as long you have a healthy soil. So far, this seems to be working fine.

I have 2 ak's, 1 jack herer, 1 c99 f2, and 2 dj short blueberry all from clone that are thriving right now under a 600 watt light along side a 10 gallon rubbermaid tub with 6 jack clones and another 10 gallon rubbermaid tub with 6 ak clones. The tubs have pure coco and are being fed gh 3 part nutes.

I'm already sold on coco's growth rates, and the flavor of moonshine mix. I'm trying to figure out how much difference in flavor chem vs organic has. I'm also trying to compare the difference between moonshine mix vs moonshine mix + coco.

So far what I've seen is that the added coco makes the mixture much lighter. However, I wont know how it affects flavor for another few weeks

I'll try to get some pics up at some point but im a little weary after the OG scare....

 

[gratefuldawg]

I would shoot for a ph of 6.4 after nutes are added. You don't wanta go this far and have a lockout occur due to a bad ph. I'm gonna have to disagree with Burn1's theory, everyone starts out with different water, after I add pureblend, sometimes I check my ph and it's below 5, not good, toxic shit starts goin on. Coco isn't like regular soil, coco does best at 5.8 just like hydro, but that's why I say 6.4 cause you have some soil in there too. That'd be cool if you did a side by side comparison for us all to see. You gotta think though that moonshine man has been figuring this mix out with his bro for 10+ years, nothin wrong with trying something else out, but I'll probably always have 1 or 2 that are straight moonshine mix, and then after a couple years I'll realize I've been wasting my time and do it strictly moonshine.lol.

Your going away from the pure organic with the 3 part. The 3-part kicks ass, but from what I've smoked..nothing compares.

 

[gratefuldawg]

Your ph is probably doing good, maybe don't change it. The 3-part has a kick ass buffer in it that'll do great in coco, especially with a PH start of 7.1. Check your run off and let us know what it is. Also check what it is after nutes are added. You didn't add any lime to the coco did you? Thats a big no no. Just trying to help cause you gotz some nice ladies goin on, I'd hate to see them go whack on you. Also once summer comes, I don't think you'll want to have the lightest soil possible, you'll need a backiotomy by harvest time watering everyday.

L8r-

 

[TokenBlackGuy]

I finally have a chance to get my hands on the autopots that used to be in the UK.. do you guys think with our MSM mix that we can now turn our gardens into set and forget it with these pots.. they say these pots are pretty good at cyclin wet and dry stages.. This would be killer if it works.. Im going to buy a smartvalve this week and start this project..

 

[mysta177]

Well this is going to make it exciting to watch that grow. Are you going to do that run with the rez crosses you won? I think it was the mass.superskunk? Im not to familar with the pots. Ill search it but if you dont mind post a pic of the pots.

 

[TokenBlackGuy]

Well this is going to make it exciting to watch that grow. Are you going to do that run with the rez crosses you won? I think it was the mass.superskunk? Im not to familar with the pots. Ill search it but if you dont mind post a pic of the pots.

with the mass skunk kush.. im going for the tried and true method.. rapid rooters, some black gold and then some MSM mix with only water and hygrozyme.. i definitely dont want to screw these beans up... but i have a bunch of clones of strawberry diesel that i am very familiar with that can get the experiment treatment..

I havent bought the pots yet.. im going to purchase the autosmart valve to see how it works and then try to modify it to my setup.. I am currently using small rubbermaid tubs (10 gal) to do a sog.. I place between 4-8 clones per a tub.. i want to see how the valve works first.. If it works right, it will bascially be a soil flood system..

google autopots and some interestin things should pop up..

 

[JDOG6000]

Seems like those yellowing leaves are just from the plant switching to flower.
Otherwise it could be from a ph inbalance from your friend watering it.
Or a lack of N.
Most likely it is a Calcium Def.
Thats the only problem I ever have with my mix.
Cal def.
BUt not anymore.
I use Calmag every watering now. 5ml(1 teaspoon) per gallon
And every few waterings I use sugar daddy instead.

 

[Guest]

sup JDOG>>MYSTA>> Happy Easter to ya's>>SMOKE A FATTY!!!!

 

[new deal]

well in the midwest (rocky mountain region), im worried about this mix being used outdoors. I was planning on vegging inside for a couple weeks...probably 3-4 from seed. Would this mix last the whole season? Theres nothing like spending time with nature doing what we love to do most. and as for watering, it gets pretty dry at times so would it be possible to add some vermiculite or water polymer crystals to the mix?

 

[Sirius420]

This may not be the right place for this, but I figure someone must have knowledge. Can the mix be used for a vegetable and fruit garden the same way as it is normally or would it have to be drastically altered? I can understand different crops may need different things but is this an all inclusive mix that would cover most plants?

 

[3BM]

This is a very complete mix, and would work wonders on your veg garden. Tomatoes and peppers will do especially well. However, these bags are rather expensive, and while the cost may be justified on cannabis I would recommend adding used soil to the veg garden. Better yet, start composting food waste and grass clippings near or on the spot of your garden. Dig this in at the beginning of the planting season and watch your plants explode. Locally produced compost may also be available if you cant/dont want to make your own. Hope that helps.

 

[gratefuldawg]

I thought this thread was for tomato and pepper growing??? Fuck this! I'm outta here.. Damn potheads!

 

[mysta177]

lol....
Heres the newest moonshine run. In the back sssdh, front right OGK, front left headband, middle 1 lil sfvogk popping out and soon to add orange kush.

 

[HighonPottery]

It's nice to see all of you using MSM. I am very interested in switching to this mix myself as it looks to be a complete, organic mix with the benefits of simplicity. I've just got a few questions about it that I hope someone can answer.

I am trying to get my setup into a perpetual SOG using the 3-bag MSM plus perlite and the Peace of Mind F&F and Starter. I've got an Ikea cab with a footprint of 20"x30". In there is a 400w air cooled tube. My current mother strains are Hogsbreath and two unknown bagseed strains that turned out awesome. I used to have 3 5-gal bags in there with 4' plants. They were in my opinion taking up too much room for such a small footprint, especially since I've been adding more plants every 2 weeks trying to get a perpetual setup even though it is cramped.

Since I am wanting to get to a perpetual SOG, I am wondering what size containers you folks would recommend for using MSM in my footprint. I wish someone made 2-gal containers that were tall and narrow so I can fit more in there, but I haven't seen any. I was thinking of 3-liter bottles blacked out with tape, but I might as well go with 1-gal grow bags because they hold more volume and are just a little bit wider , allowing for more light penetration.

Do you think the 1-gal containers will be a problem due to the watering schedule required for this mix? I guess I could go with 2-gal containers and just veg a bit longer, but I don't like side shoots. I read that you shouldn't over water this mix due to flushing out goodies...so would you water just until water comes from the bottom and be cool with it for like 2 days? or would you water lightly every few days and then do a soak here and there.

I also got some freebie Happy Frog nutes from the hydro store and was wondering if anyone has used them. They are sample packs of dry Happy Frog Jump Start 3-4-3. I was thinking of using this on one or two plants to get a comparison. I've got both POM F&F as well as POM Starter. I will most likely swap the POM Starter for the Happy Frog.