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bigherb

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Stoneguru said:
Skunk tends to overpower and alter the subtle class of haze..or anything really.

NL was an attempt to be a muted pass through. Still. consider all the challenges with that?

I like skunk and I can see the appeal in the combination, but if the goal is getting to haze through skunk. It's quite a bouncer.

..selection matters more than a name, but as a generalization. Once you skunk...
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I can say from my minimal experience

Mns Skunk Haze was anything but skunk . I've only grown 2 phenos 2010ish

But from 4 phenos of Nevils Haze over the years 1 was Nl dom and way more BLD , obvious NL influence

The Skunk Haze all Haze structure and flavor. One was jack terp = pepper lime old JH pheno in NYC also I found in Original Haze pearl pheno

Then a sweet type incense which at the time reminded me of an old Original Haze description

I can see the Haze and Smell it in Nevils Haze clearly now and differently now after running Different phenos more than once

IMO/IME for sure Haze hybrid including Nevils Haze can't be in the same Category as Pure Sativa / Original Haze

Soo if you see I'm currently digging into some colombians . I've crossed to some of my Haze keepers

I've also recently donee a Skunk Haze hybrid of my own . I'd consider more of a hashplant Haze .My love of both varieties Hashplant and Haze aswell as my recent findings of power and flavor in that Skunk hybrid birthed this creation

Original Haze #9 mom x Skunk puck male . 2 unsexed phenos will begin flower soon

Will see the influence throughout the growth stages

Of the 2 mom's one is more BLD but the Haze influenced flower/ node structure quite abit

1luvbigherb
 
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bigherb said:
I can say from my minimal experience

Mns Skunk Haze was anything but skunk . I've only grown 2 phenos 2010ish

But from 4 phenos of Nevils Haze over the years 1 was Nl dom and way more BLD , obvious NL influence

The Skunk Haze all Haze structure and flavor. One was jack terp = pepper lime old JH pheno in NYC also I found in Original Haze pearl pheno

Then a sweet type incense which at the time reminded me of an old Original Haze description

I can see the Haze and Smell it in Nevils Haze clearly now and differently now after running Different phenos more than once

IMO/IME for sure Haze hybrid including Nevils Haze can't be in the same Category as Pure Sativa / Original Haze

Soo if you see I'm currently digging into some colombians . I've crossed to some of my Haze keepers

I've also recently donee a Skunk Haze hybrid of my own . I'd consider more of a hashplant Haze .My love of both varieties Hashplant and Haze aswell as my recent findings of power and flavor in that Skunk hybrid birthed this creation

Original Haze #9 mom x Skunk puck male . 2 unsexed phenos will begin flower soon

Will see the influence throughout the growth stages

Of the 2 mom's one is more BLD but the Haze influenced flower/ node structure quite abit

1luvbigherb
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These are good examples and points! Trying the variations for context as well.

I was speaking more to likeness of haze profile than Morphology. By comparison Skunk Morphology does seem like it would exhibit more haze Morphology than NL.

Skunk brings in the terpinolene that alters haze and once present skews it away from haze.

I didn't mean to say a skunk haze is a bad cross. Only that a change would be the expected from such a dominant profile.

A good example is Cheese.

For incense or high Ocimene hazes with Mycene you get a spectrum of incense. I had not seen equally high Ocimene until a friend shared the charts on a cheese line which had the addition of skunk.

The primary difference was high terpinolene. The rest was very similar. The primary difference between Temple incense and cheese was terpinolene. It's amazing how a subtle change is such a big change. People are crazy about both.

Another example. male A often gets associated with savory meaty, liver chicken soup etc.

I asked @TomHill if he ever came across anything like this on his 1000(s) OP haze. Well of course he went off on me like only he can, but the answer was no.😂

He referenced the metal shop type. So consider the mamalian funk types of NL (a very old description). I have noticed a ranged of culinary herbs in NH, but now imagine these types together

People may be thinking they are finding male A profiles and actually selecting NL synergy.

Skunk x Male A. May be an excellent cross and would likely favor Haze Morphology more than NL5haze, but on the topic of profiles it may be even more difficult to identify what male A is in this cross in the same way that skunk alters male C.

All just thoughts to consider✌️
 
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@hempy said:
I have yet to see any NL Dom Nevil's Haze herb, and the broad leaf types are to the Columbine side.
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Not according to my friend hempy 😉
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I don't have experience with growing Colombian and Thai side by side, but others seem to think it's the Colombian with the thinner starter leaves.

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I think @HEMPY's assertion above may have been personal, but I did notice something on the NH.

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These Colombians do have extra leaflets on the first set and the thin leaf NH tend to as well.

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So my Question is whether anyone has noticed this trait in old Thai first set of leaves as well or if this may be another indicator of Colombians influence in haze?

There does seem to be NL influence in the NH, but I am going to wait on sharing how much and in what ways. It's not to many. 10-20% seem to have some NL influence early on. That is still less than it's genetic portion.

@Neutrino grew ~20 NH females last year. I think his general findings were...

-Very potent across the board

-Difficult to find one that smoked well. Mostly rough and unappealing. (Nothing new there ime. It's a real hunt to find an incredible smoking haze, but they do exist)

- the most potent were the earlier flowering

I am curious whether Thai has multiple leaflets on the first set?
 
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@hempy

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Why are you trolling me and trashing my thread ?

You come in here to post up Dwight's lies and continue unabated to post complete shit.

We then have Dwight post under Stoneys handle, yes it was that obvious, I called you out for it Stoney, and you just ignored it over and over.

I'm not here to be trolled.
 
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Why are you trolling me and trashing my thread ?

You come in here to post up Dwight's lies and continue unabated to post complete shit.

We then have Dwight post under Stoneys handle, yes it was that obvious, I called you out for it Stoney, and you just ignored it over and over.

I'm not here to be trolled.
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Stoneguru said:
I am curious whether Thai has multiple leaflets on the first set?
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I'll try not to be nitpicky✌️. @HEMPY Did you ever notice if the Thai has this trait too or just Colombian? That's more your wheel house and I don't have the experience there
 
@hempy

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That's the Colombian side Herb have you grown or smoked pure NL I smoked it, never wanted to grow it as it in my opinion has the worst downer of a stone I have come across.

This is the Columbine side of Nevil's Haze does this look like NL to you ?

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Go look at Raco pics of his pure Columbine, it looks like that.
 
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@hempy said:
That's the Colombian side Herb have you grown or smoked pure NL I smoked it, never wanted to grow it as it in my opinion has the worst downer of a stone I have come across.

This is the Columbine side of Nevil's Haze does this look like NL to you ?

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Go look at Raco pics of his pure Columbine, it looks like that.
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Brother Hempy

You see ive grown out quite a few Original Haze , Some would suggest Colombian Dom I'm only sharing common knowledge.

The Nevilles haze grows much much more tame in every way

Your telling me that Nevilles Haze pheno i describe as NL dom is colombian .
Soo what was the other Haze pheno ? THIA

The flavor was Haze but plant structure flower density flower time All NL

I Know Nl Well , in terms of smoke . Nothing of the essence

That colombian from Raco is reminiscent of some old Uptown Haze ⛪️

1luvbigherb
 
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bigherb said:
The Nevilles haze grows much much more tame in every way
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Sam posted this at cannabis world, what 25 years ago now have you read this herb ?

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That means O Haze grown and sold 25 years ago were F10 and plus, and how is Nevil's Haze tame compared to the O Haze exactly ?

My F3 Nevil's Haze, grown outside in a pot early flower.

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The Top part of the same plant well into flower that look like a tame Plant to you herb ?

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Let's keep it honest herb I get it you don't like Nevil or Nevil's work and my Nevil's Haze flower for 19 weeks or over let's be honest here and keep prejudices out of it.
 

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@hempy said:
Sam posted this at cannabis world, what 25 years ago now have you read this herb ?

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That means O Haze grown and sold 25 years ago were F10 and plus, and how is Nevil's Haze tame compared to the O Haze exactly ?

My F3 Nevil's Haze, grown outside in a pot early flower.

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The Top part of the same plant well into flower that look like a tame Plant to you herb ?

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Let's keep it honest herb I get it you don't like Nevil or Nevil's work and my Nevil's Haze flower for 19 weeks or over let's be honest here and keep prejudices out of it.
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F3 bro .
Comparing apples to oranges .


That is not what is sold as Nevil`s Haze . Take a poly hybrid made from poly hybrids and in breed it a cpl of generations and it is not what was sold as Nevil`s Haze .
 
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bigherb said:
@@hempy @Stoneguru

What do you All think About the expressions from my Red Gold COLOMBIAN OP vs 2 Original Haze phenos

Do you see Thai or Colombian in the Haze ?
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I find it very difficult to make determinations about others gardens with so many variables. Environmental as well as the overall variation of the population.

Further, I find that every parental selection can change everything.

In an overall sense the NLD factor seems equal or greater.

I can't compare, but I noticed the calyx ribbing, smooth pistil, flat red indented red petiole stem and forward ~parallel leaflets. Awesome trichome development for landrace.

What did you find in the profiles and effects?
 
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Elmer Bud said:
F3 bro .
Comparing apples to oranges .


That is not what is sold as Nevil`s Haze . Take a poly hybrid made from poly hybrids and in breed it a cpl of generations and it is not what was sold as Nevil`s Haze .
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You are full of it Elmer, O Haze is a hybrid and a poly if you believe it started out as a Thai/Columbian then had Indian added.

My Nevil's Haze were made in 97 and sold as Nevil's Haze F1s, and they still are Nevil's Haze even at F3 as they have never had other genetics added.

It's always the same trolls.
 
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