MM X 78Thia was never released by Nevil
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@hempy
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Like I said Nevil was the first to tell me Mango Haze used the SkHzA on the father's side, Nevil then went on to tell me that the Mango Haze was a joint work or if you like a "calibration" of Nevil and Shanti. Up until shantis finally posted clearly clarifying the Mango Haze used the SkHzA as the father no one had a clue and to be honest most still don't know.
I have grown both the SSH made by Nevil and the Mango Haze test seed, and I dumped the SSH and continue to grow the original Mango Haze that comes from the original test seed.
Mango Haze F1 test seed.
Mango Haze F2s at 17 weeks of flower.
I went researched
I have grown both the SSH made by Nevil and the Mango Haze test seed, and I dumped the SSH and continue to grow the original Mango Haze that comes from the original test seed.
Mango Haze F1 test seed.
Mango Haze F2s at 17 weeks of flower.
I went researched
amoril
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When nevil told you that, it was probably the truth. The collaboration is that Mango 122 (5c122) was selected by the two of them, at the same time as SSH. At least that's how Shanti tells it.
Even you claim the MH line was reworked immediately after initial testing. Never seen anyone claim that nevil worked Mango haze at this point.... but the only thing that fits with all of the evidence is that this rework is when Skunk HazeA was introduced into it
@hempy
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No Nevil had selected both 5HzC-1 and 5HzC-122 but shanti liked 5HzC-122 because of the mango smell as it reminded him of the old mango heads we got here in the late 80s early 90s.
Nevil calibration on the Mango Haze with Shanti as he didn't have hands on as he had left Holland by that time but had given shanti the genetics and corresponded by phone.
It was re worked because it grew like a pure Haze a jungle sativa, all but 2 testers culled them and called them impractical, so shanti tamed the line.
Why did he call the released Mango Haze an inbreed line ?
What I do know is Mango Haze started off as a 5HzC-122 x SkHzA after that we only have what shanti says to go by.
@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
Dont be a smart ass amoril I have grown the Mango haze for a very long time, I was there when Shanti first posted at CW that he was working on a new line called mango haze 25 years ago and I was also one of the testers.
What I posted was 100% fact and instead of saying thanks hempy for making and effort to help me understand you now insult what a clown.
amoril
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You right, that was a jab.
But you're the one refusing to accept new information man. I've shown you all the quotes.
In 2011 or 12 when nevil told you mango had SkA as the father, that was true. At that point in time, that was the rework / current version.
Shanti always claimed the original was "the same father as SSH" and that's objectively SkC. Now he claims it's SkA as the father, that's the rework.
But you're the one refusing to accept new information man. I've shown you all the quotes.
In 2011 or 12 when nevil told you mango had SkA as the father, that was true. At that point in time, that was the rework / current version.
Shanti always claimed the original was "the same father as SSH" and that's objectively SkC. Now he claims it's SkA as the father, that's the rework.
@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
My information came directly from Nevil, you know, the guy that gave Shanti all his genetics that make up all these haze lines.
Shanti for as long as I have known him has posted some of the most cryptic posts I know, he has also been very guarded in giving out too much info when it came to strains he sells, and he had posted saying that it was because Nevil told him to keep important info limited.
When Nevil told me the makeup of the Mango Haze I was surprised and researched it found shantis post yes I agree with you Shanti has laid a trail of confusion but are you surprised ?
Shanti for as long as I have known him has posted some of the most cryptic posts I know, he has also been very guarded in giving out too much info when it came to strains he sells, and he had posted saying that it was because Nevil told him to keep important info limited.
When Nevil told me the makeup of the Mango Haze I was surprised and researched it found shantis post yes I agree with you Shanti has laid a trail of confusion but are you surprised ?
amoril
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I'm not surprised, but I also don't see what you think is confusing.
He tells you it was 5c122 x SkC, and now it's 5c122 x SkA.
For the longest time he didn't say 122, he just said a sister / parallel to SSH mother. At one point early on he said "its like two sisters get pregnant by the same man".
He tells you it was 5c122 x SkC, and now it's 5c122 x SkA.
For the longest time he didn't say 122, he just said a sister / parallel to SSH mother. At one point early on he said "its like two sisters get pregnant by the same man".
amoril
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I have the IBL from Shanti. Its a mango haze f1 bred back to 5c122. He's the first to admit that it's an unfinished project and not a true ibl, that's why it's not on the menu. Have to reach out to him to get them, no idea if it's still available or not
amoril
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I'm with you there, it was confusing back in the day. But its not now, gaps have been filled in.
Initially he said it was the same dad as SSH. then around 2007 or 2008 he started telling people Mango currently had a SkA father.
We now know, indisputably, that ssh was/is c5 x SkC.
So either Shanti was lying initially, or that's the rework that everyone admits happened. Because we're told it's the same mom it always has been, so a rework HAS to mean it's a new dad, which would be a different dad than the SSH
I tend to believe that he wasn't lying, and that there is *now* a SkA father for Mango, but that it wasn't the original plan or what was offered to testers
@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
Just from the little research I did, there are 3 or 4 I believe different MH you have the test seed being the original then you have the released version that had some selections towards the more tame side. Then you had a more inbreed one and now the one amoril has that was bred back to the 5HzC-122.
At the end of the day they are all good lines and I have yet to read any negative feed back from people that grow it.
At the end of the day they are all good lines and I have yet to read any negative feed back from people that grow it.
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1luvbigherb
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Skunk tends to overpower and alter the subtle class of haze..or anything really.
NL was an attempt to be a muted pass through. Still. consider all the challenges with that?
I like skunk and I can see the appeal in the combination, but if the goal is getting to haze through skunk. It's quite a bouncer.
..selection matters more than a name, but as a generalization. Once you skunk...
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