mite recepy question

[etg]

will it make my dick fall off too possibly? lol

so it's in there for only 6 weeks? that wouldn't be too bad for mother plants i guess. but i will keep this neem experiment going for now.

just in case anyone is interested this is why i'm going to such lengths



the prospect of 2 treatments a year for mums and peace after that is just too tempting.

Hey there, i found the thread you are talking about and the recipe was posted:

A large number of tc'ers have requested the proportions of constituents in
the mite/insect control mixture I described earlier. It is a cheap and very
effective solution for most greenhouse pests. All of the ingredients should
be available from the local pharmacy. Instructions are included below for
those who wish to try making some. The amounts are approximate, not carved
in stone - this is what works for us.

There are also a couple of prudent precautions to consider. Try it on test
plants first to be sure your genus and species will not be damaged by the
oils. As with any oil containing product, don't spray it on plants that will
be in direct, hot sunlight during the next few hours. We have used it on
orchids, bonsai and carnivorous plants (Nepenthes)with no noticable effects
(on the plants). It is particularly effective on scale insects and mites.

To one imperial gallon of warm water add:

one or two tablespoons of light mineral oil(20-30mls)
1.0 ml liquid dish detergent
1-3 mls oil of eucalyptus (depending on the degree of mite infestation)
5 mls Neem oil

Using warm water helps to dissolve Neem into the mixture. Spray the mix onto
upper and lower leaf surfaces of infected plants. Of course, for use on
non-living surfaces such as in the lab the proportions may be increased.
Shake the container just before use as the oils may separate on standing.
Once control is established a diluted solution (1/2) may be used for
maintenance.

Please advise me of any successes (or failures) you may have using this
treatment.

Hope that helps

 

[Scrogerman]

I cant post the link but heres the info i found & im gonna use unless someone can deter me !

heres a recipee i found ages ago except i never had those mad munchers then .
i bought smc but i might give this recipe a go first
1/4 cup Baking Soda
1/2 cup Apple Cider vinegar
1 Tablespoon Lemon Juice
2 drops dish detergent
1/4 Teaspoon Epsom Salts

Take a cup of very hot water and desolve the epsom salts,take rest of ingredients and place in a clean 2 liter bottle and let work out. Add epsom solution. Add water to fill to 48ozs(3/4 full).Shake well.

TO USE: Cover soil/medium with plastic,with lights off mist plant all over,especialy under leaves,
Wait 20 mins,then spritz off with clean fresh water shaking as much water off plant as you can.
The fresh water spritz rinse will remove the solution along with the desolved remains of the mites and their eggs.

Have fun with your new "Mite Eradicator"

Note by MrFixit: Water plants 1/2 hour before spraying. This will help keep your plants from absorbing the spray.

This solution has been tested and used as directed will not burn plants,the rinse is very important though as it removes the spent solution before it can concentrate and burn the plant. It also removes most of the dead mites and eggs so you don't end up smoking them.

The formula can be diluted further,to 1 liter and it will still kill the mites but isn't as effective at dissolving and removing the mite parts.
Since removing the mite debris is desirable,I recommend the stronger solution,just remember to rinse and shake.
This formula is alkaline(about 7.8-8) so please remember to rinse.

Mite irradication is absolutely assured and guaranteed if used as directed.
I've never seen ANYTHING work this well for mite irradication!!
I used to gas my booths for mites,it worked but they came back,I haven't seen a living mite in a long time now.They haven't come back,partly because of cooler weather,partly because I hosed the Roses that were infecting everything with the formula and wiped out all the mites during testing.
The only thing I wish I'd done different is,I wish I would have done sections of the Roses and preserved
some of the mites for later tests.I've had to go searching for victims to test it on and there just aren't any left!! I did find some victims for my final tests in the park where we have meetings,the plants by the river are pretty sickly and infested(were I should say,I walked around with ONE pint bottle and cleaned up most of the area.LOL)
If news of this formula were to become widespread,mites would become an endangered species!!!So GOOD HUNTING !

I have been experimenting with similar formulas, so far 2 work.
Trial #1: 1/2 cup baking soda , 1 cup vinegar , 1/2 cup apple juice. Dilute to 2 liters.

Trial #2 1/2 cup baking soda , 1 cup vinegar , 3 tablespoons lemon juice , 2 drops dish soap .
Dilute to 40 fluid oz's.

I've tried this on: Wandering Jew,Spider Plant,Fushias,Gladiolis,Roses,Sweet Elysium,Clovers,Daisy,
Rhodadendron, Lawn(grass)
So far it works,both formulas. #2 works best outside and best overall
It has killed any small insects I've tried it on except FLEAS(Darn it!)
So far its killed mites,thrips(Adult),aphids,clover mites, whatever mite type insects that were all over the Gladiolis and it sickened and effected Grass Gnats and mosquitoes.(the mist knocked them down,couldn't find them in the grass to watch if they died but they were having difficulty flying)
I'm waiting for long term effects on the plants I've sprayed,before I'll try it on my plants.
Try mixing up some and try it outside on whatever you can find with an infestation.
The original recipe from a Landscape gardener was: 1/2 cup baking soda, 1 cup vinegar,2cups apple peels.
Blend/Puree , filter , dilute to 2 liters. I haven't tried this one yet (no apple peels).
The trick seems to be 1/2 cup Baking soda to 1 cup vinegar,diluted to approximately 2 liters.
The dishsoap helps wetting & the juices boost effect. #2 seems to help with molds/fungus also.It reduced blackspot on Roses,Gladiolis and Rhodi's and white mold on Roses.( The coast is a perfect proving ground for this stuff!!! We have ALL the bugs and molds !!! I don't have to go far to find infestations of all kinds.)
Seasider"

"REPORT:
For 2 days I have hosed my backyard with this stuff,so far it has reduced blackspot & powdery mildew(white mold),killed all the small insects(size seems to matter on kill,gnats or smaller).
The only plants adversely affected so far are FERNS (they don't like it much,wilted some).
The fleas seem unaffected as are the garden spiders,wood lice,beetles and other large hard insects.
I'm using it far more than necessary to see if it hurts the plants. Repeating doses even after the bugs are dead. The gladiolis were REALY bad with blackspot mold and some kind of black sucker insects about the size of a pinhead.The Glads are doing fine both mold and insects gone! The wandering jew and spider plants are actualy perking up from it.The clover mites? WIPED OUT! Rose mites? WIPED OUT! Grass gnats and mosquitoes? VASTLY REDUCED! Scale insects? DEAD! Aphids?DEAD![THE GARDEN??? (smells like a "Caeser Salad" ! ) ALIVE.]

"Report:
There seems to be some mild burning where the solution was left on and collected/concentrated.
I would recommend using the 2 liter dilution and spritzing with fresh water afterward and shaking off as much as possible so the formula doesn't collect and concentrate itself to the point it burns tender leaves.
I didn't notice any damage except where it had concentrated and dried,so spritzing and shaking off should do the trick.As far as effectiveness goes,wow! The death and destruction it deals to mites is impressive !!
Popping browning eggs melting,imploding adults,body parts and debris slowly dissolving......EXTREMELY GRATIFYING !!!
TRY IT YOU'LL LIKE IT !!
The BORG rule ,of mite terror, is OVER !!!!

WARNING !!
A member had severe burning that he attributes to residues drawn out of the container by the vinegar.
USE A CLEAN CONTAINER !! Do not use realy strong vinegar or any with SULFITES in it.
NO SULFITES"

BOTTOM LINE IS IT WORKS AND THEY DON'T COME BACK


Sounds Good to me, Fuk paying out for Azamite or Floramite if this shit kicks ass, i have all the ingredients in the kitchen, bye-bye Borg! If i had the cash it'd be Preds every time , used them twice & they kick ass in days i was mite free & they didnt come back either, but this time im skint, so this it the one for me! good Luck! its been years and years since i had them last!

 

[gaiusmarius]

Hey Dude, ill find the link to the thread but you may or may not have seen it. theres a simple DIY mixture ive seen here somewhere, involving mixing Bicarbonate of Soda & Vinegar, either apple Cider Vinegar or SulPhite Free Vinegar, as long as it contains no sulphites it fine in the mix, They were using a couple of other basic ingredients in the mix like Apple peels & a spreader(Soap) but they were saying that the Borg Imploded & the Eggs exploded after just one use. You had to wash off (spritz) with clean water or young shoots etc would burn but the stuff sounded soo fookin effective i have to give it a whirl. I may have a premature Borg infestation & for the first time i really hope i have so i can try out this DIY simple home recipe, like i said the main two ingredients were Bicarbonate of Soda & Vinegar, Diluted of course. Now i gotta go find the link man, i'll be back with thatsoon with a bit of luck. if anyone else has heard of this simple mix feel free to chime in and advise!

yeah i remember reading about that mixture before, the comment about exploding mites and mite eggs reminds me lol. i'd be interested to hear how it works for you.

Hey there, i found the thread you are talking about and the recipe was posted:



Hope that helps

wow yes indeed that helps a lot, funnily enough i was coming to 0.2 ml lt eucalyptus oil. but it's deffinetly good to have numbers that were used originally. i must say, so far this mixture hasn't been gentle with the plants i tested it on. specially not what she suggests as full dose. thanks for digging that up man.

I cant post the link but heres the info i found & im gonna use unless someone can deter me !

heres a recipee i found ages ago except i never had those mad munchers then .
i bought smc but i might give this recipe a go first
1/4 cup Baking Soda
1/2 cup Apple Cider vinegar
1 Tablespoon Lemon Juice
2 drops dish detergent
1/4 Teaspoon Epsom Salts

Take a cup of very hot water and desolve the epsom salts,take rest of ingredients and place in a clean 2 liter bottle and let work out. Add epsom solution. Add water to fill to 48ozs(3/4 full).Shake well.

TO USE: Cover soil/medium with plastic,with lights off mist plant all over,especialy under leaves,
Wait 20 mins,then spritz off with clean fresh water shaking as much water off plant as you can.
The fresh water spritz rinse will remove the solution along with the desolved remains of the mites and their eggs.

Have fun with your new "Mite Eradicator"

Note by MrFixit: Water plants 1/2 hour before spraying. This will help keep your plants from absorbing the spray.

This solution has been tested and used as directed will not burn plants,the rinse is very important though as it removes the spent solution before it can concentrate and burn the plant. It also removes most of the dead mites and eggs so you don't end up smoking them.

The formula can be diluted further,to 1 liter and it will still kill the mites but isn't as effective at dissolving and removing the mite parts.
Since removing the mite debris is desirable,I recommend the stronger solution,just remember to rinse and shake.
This formula is alkaline(about 7.8-8) so please remember to rinse.

Mite irradication is absolutely assured and guaranteed if used as directed.
I've never seen ANYTHING work this well for mite irradication!!
I used to gas my booths for mites,it worked but they came back,I haven't seen a living mite in a long time now.They haven't come back,partly because of cooler weather,partly because I hosed the Roses that were infecting everything with the formula and wiped out all the mites during testing.
The only thing I wish I'd done different is,I wish I would have done sections of the Roses and preserved
some of the mites for later tests.I've had to go searching for victims to test it on and there just aren't any left!! I did find some victims for my final tests in the park where we have meetings,the plants by the river are pretty sickly and infested(were I should say,I walked around with ONE pint bottle and cleaned up most of the area.LOL)
If news of this formula were to become widespread,mites would become an endangered species!!!So GOOD HUNTING !

I have been experimenting with similar formulas, so far 2 work.
Trial #1: 1/2 cup baking soda , 1 cup vinegar , 1/2 cup apple juice. Dilute to 2 liters.

Trial #2 1/2 cup baking soda , 1 cup vinegar , 3 tablespoons lemon juice , 2 drops dish soap .
Dilute to 40 fluid oz's.

I've tried this on: Wandering Jew,Spider Plant,Fushias,Gladiolis,Roses,Sweet Elysium,Clovers,Daisy,
Rhodadendron, Lawn(grass)
So far it works,both formulas. #2 works best outside and best overall
It has killed any small insects I've tried it on except FLEAS(Darn it!)
So far its killed mites,thrips(Adult),aphids,clover mites, whatever mite type insects that were all over the Gladiolis and it sickened and effected Grass Gnats and mosquitoes.(the mist knocked them down,couldn't find them in the grass to watch if they died but they were having difficulty flying)
I'm waiting for long term effects on the plants I've sprayed,before I'll try it on my plants.
Try mixing up some and try it outside on whatever you can find with an infestation.
The original recipe from a Landscape gardener was: 1/2 cup baking soda, 1 cup vinegar,2cups apple peels.
Blend/Puree , filter , dilute to 2 liters. I haven't tried this one yet (no apple peels).
The trick seems to be 1/2 cup Baking soda to 1 cup vinegar,diluted to approximately 2 liters.
The dishsoap helps wetting & the juices boost effect. #2 seems to help with molds/fungus also.It reduced blackspot on Roses,Gladiolis and Rhodi's and white mold on Roses.( The coast is a perfect proving ground for this stuff!!! We have ALL the bugs and molds !!! I don't have to go far to find infestations of all kinds.)
Seasider"

"REPORT:
For 2 days I have hosed my backyard with this stuff,so far it has reduced blackspot & powdery mildew(white mold),killed all the small insects(size seems to matter on kill,gnats or smaller).
The only plants adversely affected so far are FERNS (they don't like it much,wilted some).
The fleas seem unaffected as are the garden spiders,wood lice,beetles and other large hard insects.
I'm using it far more than necessary to see if it hurts the plants. Repeating doses even after the bugs are dead. The gladiolis were REALY bad with blackspot mold and some kind of black sucker insects about the size of a pinhead.The Glads are doing fine both mold and insects gone! The wandering jew and spider plants are actualy perking up from it.The clover mites? WIPED OUT! Rose mites? WIPED OUT! Grass gnats and mosquitoes? VASTLY REDUCED! Scale insects? DEAD! Aphids?DEAD![THE GARDEN??? (smells like a "Caeser Salad" ! ) ALIVE.]

"Report:
There seems to be some mild burning where the solution was left on and collected/concentrated.
I would recommend using the 2 liter dilution and spritzing with fresh water afterward and shaking off as much as possible so the formula doesn't collect and concentrate itself to the point it burns tender leaves.
I didn't notice any damage except where it had concentrated and dried,so spritzing and shaking off should do the trick.As far as effectiveness goes,wow! The death and destruction it deals to mites is impressive !!
Popping browning eggs melting,imploding adults,body parts and debris slowly dissolving......EXTREMELY GRATIFYING !!!
TRY IT YOU'LL LIKE IT !!
The BORG rule ,of mite terror, is OVER !!!!

WARNING !!
A member had severe burning that he attributes to residues drawn out of the container by the vinegar.
USE A CLEAN CONTAINER !! Do not use realy strong vinegar or any with SULFITES in it.
NO SULFITES"

BOTTOM LINE IS IT WORKS AND THEY DON'T COME BACK


Sounds Good to me, Fuk paying out for Azamite or Floramite if this shit kicks ass, i have all the ingredients in the kitchen, bye-bye Borg! If i had the cash it'd be Preds every time , used them twice & they kick ass in days i was mite free & they didnt come back either, but this time im skint, so this it the one for me! good Luck! its been years and years since i had them last!

yes indeed, had read about this before. i'm interested to see how it works for some one indoors. would love feedback when you finish testing it.

once i'm satisfied that i did all i could to work out a good formula for cannabis using; neem, eucalyptus, mineral oil and soap then i'll be ready to start testing some thing else.

thanks for the feedback and further information

peace

 

[xmobotx]

yeah man - you could easily guess i would advise against the avid and such

but i wonder, have you tried physically spraying them off w/ one of those little spray bottles? i m certain you prob have since any organic remedies are usually compound remedies

i defeated them when i had them (only 2 or 3 plants) by taking the plants outside and spraying w/ the spray bottle hard enough to spray them off - its brutal to the plant too but helps

combining this w/ the remedies you are trying would help (if your not already)

have you thought about using the eucalyptus for it's vapors? maybe in one of those little tea light deals for aromatics - it might be that it would keep the effect present to the mites w/o the overexposure to the plant.

i would think that dish soap alone would act like the mineral oil

 

[gaiusmarius]

taking them off with a sprayer is not as easy as one would think, they make a net anchor for them selves i think, cause when you spray them it takes direct pressure from close by with the nozzle to actually dislodge them, while the eggs are even harder to spray off. with a few plants i guess it's a possibility.

as i still didn't come up with a final dose i haven't sprayed all of them yet, just individuals have been tested and each suffered accordingly. still the mites seem to be very lazy or just not very comfortable as they are not increasing in numbers. i'm letting my mixture sit in there in a jug in the hope that the eucalyptus smell will have them wanting to move to some one elses plants.

i did notice the original recepy is calling for 5ml neem per gallon. while my neem is telling me to use 7.5ml for 2 and a half lt of water, which makes 3ml per lt. is that about what people use neem at? is it sold in different concentrations i wonder?

not sure why the mineral oil is part of it. it would be so nice to find a magic bullet to keep mites under control without having to resort to the chemical warfare.

in the end i could have saved myself a lot of hassle had i not tried to re veg mite infested plants after harvest lol. all they did was contaminate my veg space and die off a few weeks later lol.

 

[Scrogerman]

Well Buddy, it was a long hard slog but i got it done, i followed the recipe as best i could, used Sarsons Malt Vinegar which im pretty sure is Sulphite Free, i hope so, and blended the Skin of 2 big golden delish apples with about 30% flesh too, the only thing i didnt have was the lemon juice so i added some tobbaco tea instead of the Lemon around 50mls to a litre, it was well concentraterd stuff. also i used an organic soap as a spreader, contained honey & helped with the smell alot. For the rinsing i decided to Dunk and shake the stems 3 times ibn total for each plant & it seems that the smell has dissipated well, i left my spray on for 30 mins & it seemed to have worked well. So my recipe in the end was 1/4 cup Bicarbonate of soda, 1/2 cup of sarsons malt Vinegar, Rind & 30% flesh of 2 apples, 1/4 tps Epsom & 50mls of Tobbaco tea concentrate(DIY) which has been steeping for 24 hours. I diluted the whole mixture to around 1.25 litres of tap water shoke bottle well applied and washed off 30 mins later by Dunking. I hope this was good enough its all i had to hand, no blumin Lemon. Plants are bouncing back. My only worrie is the pots were covered and mite may still be in & around the top of the soil? im not sure! I watered 30 mins before appling the solution as directed. Cant see any mites & like the original recipe says the main ingredients are the Vinegar & Baking Soda', Ill report on the out come! I bleached everthing down too, so if anythings gonna go wrong its gonna be the top of the soil thats causing the problem imo as its covered while applying. brings me back to a systemic remedy thats works from the inside out, no probs with these, if they come back ill get some azamite or Floramite or similar!
If it fails at least they had a Mg foliar & a Co2 Boost lol! Ideally though for me Predetors(persi) are the ones i prefer & had the best success with in the past.

 

[Hanoverfist]

Tried this last night, albeit in a rush because I was trying to get my son to bed (who is oblivious to my hobby) and I didn't want to interrupt the light cycle anymore than necessary. They have definitely decreased in numbers but I was wondering how often you can apply this?

 

[Scrogerman]

its supposed to work with one hit, thats why i used it but i fear there back, top of the pots being covered is the failing part, always was from the get go, i aint seen no adults but i think i seen a little new damage on leaves, not 100%, getting a Scope later, so ill know for sure.
i wouldnt want to give this more than once a week myself, did burn some leaves but they bounced back well considering. If i see mites later im using Preds! They are 100% effective, in veg anyway!

 

[Hanoverfist]

Hey Scrogerman, had a question for you. I bought some ladybugs and they were pretty effective as well. I'm going to harvest my last 2 tomorrow (did one last wkend) well was examining the trichs to see how many were amber and noticed more spidermites although they are only on one small area (so far). I've still got the baking soda/vinegar, etc. solution and was wondering if I did use it (diluted of course) how long should I wait before I harvest?

 

[Scrogerman]

Difficult question, the recipe is not mine & one thats been circulating the net for a while now, i liked the report & gave it a go, id hate to say something that aint gonna work for you, My best guess would be wait a week at least before harvest, but id be worried about molds that late in a grow man, have a think about BudRotStop too, i dont condone spraying anything on a Bud apart from this stuff, i aint tryed but i hear great things & want to test it myself, if you dont use a product like that get those fans flat out & dry the buds as fast as you can, very difficult situation man. Are you happy with the mixture?, i still see no mite but they are there, i can see the spotting damage - New spotting, the small little fuckers i cant see them & my eyes are exellent. i have very good vision indeed & my buddy still aint popped that scope round for me, i suppose i better chase it up, i didnt want to be cheeky but looks like im gonna have to now. I wish you Luck Buddy!

BTW i put a plate of eucalypus oil out last night after reading Guis's exploits, anything to deter these B'stards! Still got Sprigtails too, looks like a good year for Bugs & im not far away from scrapping the lot and starting over, i aint having infested buds! Sorry to hear your plight man! a good clean up after & a bloody strong bleach, & maybe a Bomb is my next move if my last treatment dont work, cant5 afford the preds or ladybugs;(

 

[Albertine]

What are you using for mineral oil and soap? Maybe it isn't the eucalyptus? Boy, if this can be figured out it would be great to have a mite repellent.

 

[gaiusmarius]

the mineral oil is paraffin based and the soap i used was dish washing detergent. as far as my small veg experiment with seedlings went, the mites seem to have gone. i want to try the latest low dose on my next plants that get attacked by mites, so far i'm kinda impressed, i just wonder if the lowest dosage will still be strong enough while doing less stress to the seedlings treated. this project is ongoing and i'll update when i n ext have the opportunity to experiment further.

 

[Albertine]

Just book knowledge here, I've been obsessively reading about soaps and oils. What I've seen repeatedly is that dish soap is not the same as insecticidal soap - potentially more damaging, and that different oils have really different effects - if it's not light weight(superior) horticultural oil it can really hurt leaves. Try Bonide or stuff with the words 'all seasons' mentioned, along with some official insecticidal soap or at least a simple castile soap - not a detergent.
I got rid of (we hope) mites with Azatrol 2T/gal sprayed twice. They say that inadequate coverage is 90% of insecticide failure. It wasn't until I started using a pressure sprayer using a lot more spray that I stopped seeing them. I think it was the oils in the Azatrol rather than the Azatrol itself as it was such a fast transition.

 

[gaiusmarius]

i actually have a bottle of some stuff called natural, it's basically a soapy insecticide, maybe i'll use this instead of had dish washing liquid. thanks also for the tip about the oil. i did ask them for a light mineral oil, the paraffin based oil is what they came up with. what exactly is bonide, i'll need to translate to German to have a chance of finding it. it would be great news if it was the mineral oil causing the burnt leaves and not the eucalyptus oil. so i'm grateful for any ideas. actually i think it was 10k who also suggested leaving out the oil.

what exactly is the azatrol? is it neem based, or something systemic?

 

[cannaboy]

Get a hot box sul phume or at least check it out online, the leaf ph changes and they can't eat and can't bread..

 

[Scrogerman]

At Last, my Buddy sorted the Scope out for me so i can really have a close up & get some positive ID going, the trouble half the time in situations like this is old damage on newer shoots, am i seeing old damage thats coming through(Wishfull Thinking but Could be True!) or are the little blighters still at it, if thats the case then the mixture i used was really effective & must have blitzed 95+% if not more of them. Ill Know by tommoro after using the '60x - 100x' Scope!
Does anyone have a good treatment i can buy from a normal garden centre for mite?, my mate Shhh got an organic systemic concentrate that looked the business, said you can use it on Friut & Veg & consume the Fruit/Veg the next day if you wanted, harmless & Non-Toxic etc, now i dont mind using a systemic if its harmless using on consumables etc, cant remember the name of it off the top of my head but im sure ive seen it in the local garden centre, similar to West's Bug Attack, that kind of thing, but looked better, ill edit with the name of that! Good Luck All!

Whats the PH for that CannaB & do you have a link/etc to the relevent info bro? what are the implications etc, sounds like an interesting point we might be able to use also! Nice One!

 

[Albertine]

Azatrol is a concentrate of the active ingredient in neem oil. It can be used as a systemic, but it has an oily base that probably isn't the best for the roots. Bonide is one brand of horticultural oil.