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muddy waters

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mexico has every right to hate the united states. if you had a neighbor like the united states, who had stolen half of your land at gunpoint on a false charge, invaded when you tried to profit off of your own resources, deliberately kept you from making your own deals with other neighbors, given or rather imposed again at gunpoint terrible financial advice that leaves most in permanent poverty, flooded your land with cheap flashy bullshit and subsidized food to undercut the market thus drowning almost all your traditions and culture leaving entire peoples orphaned in the street begging, taken incredible economic benefit from most of your people living in abject poverty when they try to flee the poverty by working on the neighbor's land, stolen so much of your water that the river that carved the grand canyon no longer even makes it to your land or the ocean anymore, and finally, most relevantly to this forum, told you marihuana is a cursed evil warranting scorched earth tactics and endless gangland massacres, well, if you got any blood left in your veins, any pride left in your gut, you tell that neighbor to kiss your fucking ass, cuz you will outlast them.
 

cooter1

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muddy all you said can also be reversed and applied to mexico and what they have done to thier own people. I know all about my govt. and whats it done for any future of the heirs who built who civilized this nation. People with your attitude should be washing bush's feet for his open door policy, it benefits them mexi's more than anyone else.
 

muddy waters

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the open door policy is not bush's. the open door policy benefits the rich and powerful in the united states, and bush does their bidding just like clinton bush sr reagan carter ford nixon johnson kennedy and eisenhower. fdr had the country at a low point in terms of the strength of the super-rich capitalist industrialists (the country was in tatters from the great depression), and only in such a scenario was something as anti-capitalist as the new deal even possible. every president since him does what the powerful want, they say jump he responds how high?

the rich and powerful make a lot of fucking money off those mexicans working here illegally, just like they make a shitload of money exporting all your sons' potential blue collar factory gigs to countries in asia where labor costs them nothing. do you blame the asians for that? those fucking taiwanese sweatshop slaves, forcing you to shop at walmart i know... bastards...

your country is being suffocated by greed and you think it's just a case of montezuma's revenge...
 

muddy waters

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muddy all you said can also be reversed and applied to mexico

when did mexico invade the united states to stop it from selling its oil again? i forget when that happened...

when did mexico demand that the united states spray poison over the emerald triangle in california because of all the pot being grown there? i forget when that happened...

when did mexico steal half of the united states at gunpoint? i forget when that happened...

when did mexico force the united states to accept economic disadvantages and outrageous loans, and then reap the benefit of so many poor desperate for work? i forget when that happened...

when did mexico interfere in american electoral politics, ever? i forget when that happened...

when did mexico open enormous heavy polluting factories on the u.s. side of the fence, or leave the southwestern u.s. without a source of drinking water out of its own frenzied consumptive greed? i forget when that happened...
 

cooter1

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Muddy
You’re quite right in that post no denying about it ...greed and that was my point but you missed one of your own.

While those corpo fat cats get rich ….someone is getting paid for doing that labor. Think about it. I hear 2nd generation Mexicans saying the same thing I am. They are no getting tossed and losing jobs after assimilating and complain that their children won’t even be able to get a minimum wage job when the time comes because of the illegal flood that will undercut them.

Do I blame people for wanting a better life, no I’m a firm believer in the word sovereignty I blame the same people you speak of for their greed. And people who like the idea of an open border and support it should be grateful for people like bush and the ones you mentioned. I do see the bigger picture of just an overflowed toilet bowl as you speak of

edit: just saw some of your examples and thats kinda reaching there I mean I could come up with stuff and just as harsh and apply it with something else,lol. I wont defend our govt if thats what your trying to get me to do,lol
 
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muddy waters

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you aren't capable of defending your government, in fact few people are. not even america's best diplomats are able to make friends with the rest of the world, excluding israel and american samoa lol... ever wonder why???

america is that neighbor that takes everything for itself, and heaves its trash over into your backyard. do you like that neighbor?
 

cooter1

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No I don’t like a govt. who thinks of the people who civilized this country as trash then turn around and give invaders jobs, school, house, and medicate them and basically force us to pay for it or face jail, no I don’t.

Doing the math on this recent plan from bush and those fat cats you speak of
1 Illegal Alien + 1 father + 1 mother = 3
1 one wife's father + wife's mother = 3
5 children, the average mexican family = 5
Total effect of 1 illegal alien = 11 extended family
Grand total: currently 25 million illegal aliens times 11 potential new Americans = 275 million

That 275 million will have to be employed and with the jobs going overseas as we all know yeah it bothers me and it should you too if you had any sense of sovereignty. See its going to benifit the mexi's more than anyone in the long run problay even more so than the corpo fat cats if you start running the numbers
 
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muddy waters

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how can your brain resolve the cognitive dissonance of your last statement ("it's going to benefit the mexi's more than anyone in the long run") and your statement two comments earlier, about the 2nd gen mexicans already being fucked over? why are you holding on to this simple scapegoat--the "invaders" are coming to occupy the very bottom rung of the societal ladder. edit: cooter1, how's about you raise a family of 5 on oh about 11,000 dollars a year. sound like fun?

the sad fact is that the rich and powerful in the u.s. are content with their policies creating a permanent underclass out of the former middle class, and this is well on its way to happening. the housing bubble only recently burst, if you think it's bad now wait 5 years.

and it really sure as shit ain't any mexicans fault lol
 
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cooter1

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No point discussing any further really if you cant differ rate from Mexican legals that are American citizens and the illegalls that are here now and working and the ones crossing as we speak.

[How’s about you raise a family of 5 on oh about 11,000 dollars a year. sound like fun?]

No it doesn’t and that’s what we all will be reduced to if more and more come. As I said the us govt. duty is to maintain our sovereignty and they failed, Mexico sure as hell won’t enforce they’re border even from the south Americans that cross into Mexico its a mess and the blame isn’t directed at any one group really.

Do you have no sense of loyalty to the nation you reside or you just willing to say ah fuck it the govt sucks nothing we can do so we might as well remove the borders too?

I wont argue with ya over bad govt and corpo dictators i agree with ya ..But this open border idea and what has Mexico done to you attitude reeks of bush open border policy, ~~~~~so again the people that bitch the most about bush should actually be washing his feet,lol ~~~ wish he would do something for me,lol

I see this all the time on this board ;Bush the fascist corpo dumbass but you mention say``the issues in the Middle East the tune changes. The Bush mimics once again appear defending that policy ....as you did with you open door ideals and they'll say oh we must protect Israel and blah blah its almost funny to watch. hypocrites
 
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muddy waters

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those 2nd gen mexicans are the illegals of the 1980s--do you not realize that? many of them are still illegal, only their kids are citizens. mexican immigrants are not getting wealthy and powerful as a result of illegal immigration, they are merely surviving and helping their relatives back in mexico survive.

at the heart of your problem understanding this is your racist disposition toward our brothers to the south who are only after the same things as you i and everyone else. your comments show a racist bias against these people oblivious to any rational examination of what's going on. you fit the profile of one of those asshat bubbas the "minutemen" to a tee in fact, mixing half-assed analysis of the relevant economic reality with heavier doses of irrational xenophobia and racist scapegoating.

you seem to think (wish) that just "closing" the border will preserve your privileged, comfortable, sheltered, all-white way of life... the lettuce will just pick itself, the developers and agribusiness will just start paying 3x what they pay the mexicans and yet the price of their goods and services will remain the same... that's total fantasyland
 

PazVerdeRadical

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muddy, the boy is hopeless; he thinks colonizers civilized the americas lol...
i wonder if he went to one of the same catholic preparatory school as i did in venezuela? they would teach us that colonizers had freed and civilized the native populations :yoinks: if by freeing you mean killing and enslaving, and by civilizing mean forcing them to live in poverty generation after generation, then maybe that stuff makes a little sense...

paz
 
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What does all of this solve? If people put as much passion into resolving things as they do in trying to knock it down, things might get better.

What has the Mexican Government done to help it's own people. Obviously nothing or they wouldn't be running to the US.
 

PazVerdeRadical

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putting passion to resolve a system that is inherently erroneous is a fool's job...
the way goverments have been acting and using laws and constitutions only lead
us to the conclusion that goverments are the problems they preach want to resolve,
or you hadn't noticed?

peace
 

muddy waters

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What has the Mexican Government done to help it's own people. Obviously nothing or they wouldn't be running to the US.
mexico has its own white skinned power elite and they could give a rat's ass if the natives are restless, starving, etc. anywhere you go, the rich do not care about the poor, in fact they hold them in contempt. who started the class war--the poor?
 

o.gkushowns

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God Bless America..!!!!!!!......... ....~ogr

Word!! I'm not even American (lived there a bit) and I salute the flag. I'm tired of crazy anarchists shitting on their flag. I'm tired of french people who surrond me critisczing it. LIke they could do better. America is land of the free.

It's by no means perfect but there's freedom of speach, constitutional rights and the people have alot of power.

I never hear people complaining about CHina or Thailand. Only America. I don't support the reasons they invaded Iraq but I commend them for bringing that Sadam cunt down. It worked in Afghanistan so it's not like it was the dumbest idea ever.

I know I've probably added myself to alot of people's ignore lists but I don't give a fuck.

Peace and God Bless America!!
 

NorCalChron

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o.gkushowns said:
It worked in Afghanistan so it's not like it was the dumbest idea ever.

I know I've probably added myself to alot of people's ignore lists but I don't give a fuck.

Peace and God Bless America!!

i dont really understand what you're trying to say here. that afghanistan is a success?

anyway getting rid of saddam is hardly a good enough reason to go to war (not officially which shows the true intentions behind it) with iraq and kill god knows how many innocent poeple.

A union between Canada, the U.S. and Mexico will be the end of national sovereignty. Vote for the constitution, vote Ron Paul
 
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