Michigan State Police Seizes 7,000 Marijuana Plants in Lenawee County

[silver hawaiian]

people who go that high in plant count bring it on themselves, this is why Shutte and Snyder wanna crack down on the law. its always a few idiots that ruin for us all.

either way i hope they dont go down for too long.

QFT.

EDIT

Definitely don't mean to be "They got what they deserved, what a bunch of asshats, etc." .. But, as someone who's happy to have the law we have, I tend to read stuff like this and the old-cranky-man in me feels just like that: "A few bad apples.."

On the other hand, I do believe they OUGHT to have the freedom to have 70,000 plants, whatever they want. But the fact is that the pols and LEO see this kind of thing and say "ZOMG THE LAW THE LAW LOOK WHAT'S HAPPENING!"

 

[Jellyfish]

Any of us might have thought, "I think I'll grow 7000 plants." But MOST of us would have then thought, "Naw, I don't want to be a headline, I'll back 'er down a little."

 

[MIway]

the laws are going to change and hopefully they will use colorado as a model, which seems likely.

Let us hope this is not the case... a real cluster fuck over there... crushing any hopes of a sustainable cottage industry for the everyday folks trying to make a livable wage outta their private homes.



All I can suggest is Home Rule & decriminalization... we need to just stop putting people in jail & ruining lives over this plant.

These folks were a bit lucky they didn't come in guns a blazin, with a nice little cover up story... which really seems a plausible outcome today, sad as that might be to say.

I just see 'medical' as the first step leading into the second step of taxable into the third step of decrim into the fourth step of... just wishing we could end the madness even sooner.

Stay safe all.

 

[whodare]

Let us hope this is not the case... a real cluster fuck over there... crushing any hopes of a sustainable cottage industry for the everyday folks trying to make a livable wage outta their private homes.

medicine for sick people should not be grown in a basement, and it shouldn't be a smoked medicine, it should be pills, aerosol, or topical sorry if you disagree, im all for you growing your own to smoke recreationally...

All I can suggest is Home Rule & decriminalization... we need to just stop putting people in jail & ruining lives over this plant.

These folks were a bit lucky they didn't come in guns a blazin, with a nice little cover up story... which really seems a plausible outcome today, sad as that might be to say.

I just see 'medical' as the first step leading into the second step of taxable into the third step of decrim into the fourth step of... just wishing we could end the madness even sooner.

Stay safe all.

couldnt agree more

 

[Scrappy-doo]

Wow makes my life look like a walk in the park

 

[Noobian]

7,000 plants fed numbers guys. That's like 150 flowering plants and a bunch of rooted (and probably unrooted) clones. It sounds like a lot but I'm sure it wasn't as big as they are making it out

 

[statefarmguy]

Disagree, what people do on their own land with flowers doesn't ruin anything for me.

Now those ass clowns that are cooking meth, blowing up houses, and polluting the land and bodies of their neighbors are ruining the country side, but the fuck pigs are too busy arresting grand parents to worry about meth heads.

SERIOUSLY..!! these cops and task forces are ass clowns! WELL PUT.. thes gma n pop pop growers are being done a HUGE INJUSTICE!! probably wont live to see the outside of their walls if its a mandatory 14 yr sentence.. dickheads

 

[Jellyfish]

7,000 plants fed numbers guys. That's like 150 flowering plants and a bunch of rooted (and probably unrooted) clones. It sounds like a lot but I'm sure it wasn't as big as they are making it out

So, 150 flowering plants and only six thousand eight hundred and fifty whatevers. Thanks for putting it in perspective.

 

[Hydrosun]

medicine for sick people should not be grown in a basement, and it shouldn't be a smoked medicine, it should be pills, aerosol, or topical sorry if you disagree, im all for you growing your own to smoke recreationally...

Ok I think I disagree, but am willing to have you fill us in with your MD credentials or vast scientific knowledge. So prove to me why the medicine I may choose to use SHOULDN'T be a smoked medicine.

Is it because of the great number of cancer deaths cause by smoking the medicine?

Is it because the smoked version does not deliver the same compounds as a topical version?

Is it because the smoked version is too quick acting, and the patients should not be allowed instant relief?

Is it because basements are inherently unsafe and can't produce medical quality cannabis?

Is it because this is something someone has told you and you like the sound of it?

If one may smoke recreationally what is your rational that medical use must NOT be in smoke form?

Your medical or scientific explanation is welcome.

 

[whodare]

im no scientist nor am i a doctor, but i dont see the logic in promoting the inhalation of carcinogenic materials for medical treatment...

i dont need to prove that smoke isn't healthy it's already a proven fact...

an aerosol would act as fast as smoking and you could have reliable measurable dosage, the doctor doesn't give you a jar full of vicodin powder and tell you to take a tablespoon or so, they press them into reliable dosages.

edible last longer anyway so hit the inhaler and eat a pill.

im not against you making the choice to "medicate" by smoking, but to me that isn't good medical practice, name one other thing you smoke for health in western medicine...

 

[whodare]

and as to a basement not being a suitable place...

when the markets really do open good luck keeping up with commercial growers as their electric is usually about 30% cheaper (at least it is hear)

as with any business volume is key, they will undercut you like walmart does mom and pop, and dont try and tell me quality will suffer as i would refer you to Moonshine.

and no way the regulators will allow it anyway...

 

[Hydrosun]

im no scientist nor am i a doctor, but i dont see the logic in promoting the inhalation of carcinogenic materials for medical treatment...

i dont need to prove that smoke isn't healthy it's already a proven fact...

an aerosol would act as fast as smoking and you could have reliable measurable dosage, the doctor doesn't give you a jar full of vicodin powder and tell you to take a tablespoon or so, they press them into reliable dosages.

edible last longer anyway so hit the inhaler and eat a pill.

im not against you making the choice to "medicate" by smoking, but to me that isn't good medical practice, name one other thing you smoke for health in western medicine...

For the materials to carcinogenic in REALITY not just name, then the materials used in the objected to form MUST CAUSE cancer. If you can't point to a SINGLE incidence of cancer from smoking this plant THEN the components of the plant are NOT carcinogenic if ingested (smoked or otherwise).

There has been ZERO proof that cannabis smoke is unhealthy. In fact smoking cannabis is recommended for asmatics. If you have proof that cannabis smoking is unhealthy I'm sure the feds would love to know about it. The feds like to use the terms MAY and SHOULD, I don't think those are the guys you want to share medical philosophy with.

I understand you think smoking cannabis should be less healthy than eating it, however you and I both know that smoking cannabis is not harmful. This community is full of people smoking this plant and NOT being harmed. The proof is in the millions of smokers and ZERO cancer from cannabis.

I can't name another smoked medical product in Western medicine, but I can point to thousands of deadly side effects from those pills you mentioned. I am not sure if western medicine would be the place to look, Eastern medicine maybe. However the fact that no other similar medical application is know to us does not change the fact that cannabis as smoked by millions is safe.

The if you smoke it, then it has to be bad; is straight from the DEA pig handbook. I am naturally distrustful of EVERYTHING the government says.

 

[whodare]

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/10/051019003339.htm

The pharmacological effects of tobacco and cannabis smoke differ in many ways, mainly because tobacco smoke contains nicotine while cannabis smoke contains tetrahydrocannabinol (THC). The cancer-promoting effects of smoke are increased by nicotine, while they are reduced by THC.
Tobacco and cannabis smoke contain the same carcinogenic compounds -- and depending on which part of the plant is smoked, cannabis smoke can contain more of them -- but, whereas nicotine activates these carcinogenic compounds, THC has been shown to inhibit them in mice cells. THC is very likely to have protective effects against the carcinogens present in smoke in humans too, but cannabis smoke remains nonetheless carcinogenic.

http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000132


the only things we want from the plant are the active ingredients, and essential oils. we also want them in measurable doses so we know how much we are taking...

vaporizing is still an option if you must fill the "smoking" habit, but you'll never convince me that smoking is better than the other options i listed...

i make bho pills with 50-60mg of hash in them, one day id like to be able to test the active ingredient so i can really dial the dosage in, but i can tell you two pills last 8 hours easy and if you vape when you take them youll transition from vape high to edible high nicely...

I can't name another smoked medical product in Western medicine, but I can point to thousands of deadly side effects from those pills you mentioned. I am not sure if western medicine would be the place to look, Eastern medicine maybe. However the fact that no other similar medical application is know to us does not change the fact that cannabis as smoked by millions is safe.

The if you smoke it, then it has to be bad; is straight from the DEA pig handbook. I am naturally distrustful of EVERYTHING the government says.

i dont dispute the pills i mention are dangerous i was using them as an example of the fact that you have to have measurable reliable dosages...

i dont understand the logic behind millions smoke it so so its safe(infact for some people smoking it isnt safe and edibles are their only option), im not saying it'll give you cancer but you cant deny scientific proof that smoke from any burnt plant matter has carcinogens in it...

and im not using dea argument im using logical arguments based of scientific facts...

i dont trust the gov either

 

[MIway]

and as to a basement not being a suitable place...

when the markets really do open good luck keeping up with commercial growers as their electric is usually about 30% cheaper (at least it is hear)

as with any business volume is key, they will undercut you like walmart does mom and pop, and dont try and tell me quality will suffer as i would refer you to Moonshine.

and no way the regulators will allow it anyway...

This is the one point that I had contention with... quality control & standards. And I recently hail from CO... in the WH scene... so have an inside perspective here...


For starters, much respect to Moonshine, as that has to be the nicest looking facility I have seen, though not personally in the flesh... wish I had that particular opp! But of the 10 commercial facilities I had been inside... OMG... OMFG... a horrible nightmare of a situation, with the exception of 2... but 80% of em... OMFG!!! And I will gladly put a c-note on the very likely reality (nay fact), that Moonshine will agree with this type of assessment regarding what commercial grows look/run like... purely scary.

Let me give you a real example... web infested colas from the mites, dusting of PM everywhere, every other week misapplication of Avid + bs 'organic' mold cures, final spraying the day before they chopped. Wholesaled through a broker to varying dispensaries. Oh wait, that wasn't a single real life example, but seen it 3 different WH grows... adding up to 180 lights worth of this 'medicine'.

I'm sure Moonshine will verify that he witnessed such practices at other facilities.

See, thing is... as you scale up, it becomes much harder to control the environment... and all the normal problems become extraordinarily large... and if the entirety of the business is dependent on cropping (say if the law requires for this to be the case), then you do what you need to do, to get what has to be done. And there is no standard in practices & no oversight & no enforcement of these nonexistent quality assurances... certainly not yet.

And most of these people (quite clearly), never even had the experience base of properly managing a small-scale garden... where it is much, much easier to control.

On that point, at home, under 8 lights... I can grow the most heady of head stashes, giving every single detail & need of the plants full consideration. Over the scale of 80 lights in a 20,000sqft facility that is built entirely for other purposes... near impossible... or at least requires a million dollar investment.


Don't tread on the home grower w their shit together... better quality of head stash than you will ever find in a dispensary... or from any commercial grow. Bet on it.

 

[Jellyfish]

So, why don't we just turn cannabis production over to the big pharmaceutical companies like Eli Lilly? I'm sure we can trust them to do what's right.

 

[whodare]

See, thing is... as you scale up, it becomes much harder to control the environment... and all the normal problems become extraordinarily large... and if the entirety of the business is dependent on cropping (say if the law requires for this to be the case), then you do what you need to do, to get what has to be done. And there is no standard in practices & no oversight & no enforcement of these nonexistent quality assurances... certainly not yet.

i dont know what cropping is but the bold is the most important part, when the standards are in place then the commercial producer will have to meet those...

And most of these people (quite clearly), never even had the experience base of properly managing a small-scale garden... where it is much, much easier to control.

On that point, at home, under 8 lights... I can grow the most heady of head stashes, giving every single detail & need of the plants full consideration. Over the scale of 80 lights in a 20,000sqft facility that is built entirely for other purposes... near impossible... or at least requires a million dollar investment.


Don't tread on the home grower w their shit together... better quality of head stash than you will ever find in a dispensary... or from any commercial grow. Bet on it.

all it takes is the right money and know how, which i can assure you is out there, we need assurance our million's of dollars invested isn't going to be taken away...

we need to reschedule it so we can set standards to meet...

im not treading on the home grower, i am one, but ultimatley id like to be in a warehouse supplying my own stores, and i can assure you i would take care of 100 lights like i would 10...

sure it takes "work" but it's not work when you love what you do, im not in it for the money as much as the fact i like ingesting and growing cannabis, it is nice to be able to see a profit too though.

 

[Jellyfish]

You don't know what cropping is, but you're gonna run a warehouse/growhouse? Hey, I'll fly you there, I'm not a pilot, but I love the movie Airplane!

 

[whodare]

i know what cropping is as a general term, i meant what is a cropping regulation?

 

[TickleMyBalls]

wow this thread went in a weird direction...

 

[Jellyfish]

i know what cropping is as a general term, i meant what is a cropping regulation?

Oh. Then I apologize.