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Whipit

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MaynardG_Krebs said:
There's no doubt the 400 watt switchable would be a good thing. I don't know what kind of space you're planning on, but one thing to consider, like Smiley sez.. ventilation and heat are going to be substantially more for the switchable than it will be for the t5s. I run a 600 watt switchable in my flower closet, but my veg area is a small cabinet and I could never handle the heat from an hid setup in there, so I run 2 65 watt cfl's and it keeps my youngsters, clones and a few mom's pretty happy... there's always stuff coming and going in the little cabinet, so it gets pretty busy. I've gotta make a decision on ditching a couple moms that I'm not sure if I want to keep the strain or not. Tough spot tho.. I won't know about the product for another month or so, so I've gotta figure out some sort of plan for that situation. It's all in what your situation can handle. If you're planning on having a 400 watt hid veg room, you flower room would have to be exponentially bigger and more powerful to accommodate the amount of stuff your veg/clone area will be able to produce.. it's a real juggling act..

You're on the right course.. keep pluggin and plannin!

mgk :tiphat:
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Thanks! You can see above what I have to work with.

If heat is not considered is MH better than the same wattage of T5 for vegging purposes? Will I get stronger plants? Will it affect the size, or potency of the buds?
 
GeorgeSmiley

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I use 1000w for each 4x4.

10 10 gallon under 2k in a 4x8

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600 is better for 3x3 stretching to a 4x4.

How much meds do you need and how often. We can work backwards too.

Smiley
 
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Whipit said:
Thanks! You can see above what I have to work with.

If heat is not considered is MH better than the same wattage of T5 for vegging purposes? Will I get stronger plants? Will it affect the size, or potency of the buds?
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I wouldn't worry about the ventilation drying anything out.. you can adjust that somehow if you need to. The biggest advantage to the HID light over the floro's is the penetration. If you can accomplish all the needed ventilation etc, go for it. And like smiley sez.. 600 would be better. I'd go with a 400 for your veg area and a 600 or 1k for you flower room. I got a 600 that is 'dimmable' has a 3 way switch on it that allows me to drop down to 50% and the next notch up is 75% and finally the 100% position which is where it's at most of the time. I do like the feature for when I've got to be in juggling plants etc, to be able to drop it to 50% to make it a little more comfortable to be in that tight space with all that lumen power.. Anyway.. you're makin progress for sure..

mgk :yappy:
 
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Whipit

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Thanks guys!

Beautiful plants, Smiley! I underestimated my required wattage by more than half.

Are those CO2 units that you have in your room?

MGK,

I have read about the light penetration, but it is still a mystery. I never realized how different the same amount of light can be.

Rain for the weekend, so I'm going shopping. I really appreciate everyone's input! I'll probably be back before I know it, with more of the basics that I need to wrap what's left of my brain around.
 
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clp

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You've got alot of space and privacy which is a huge advantage. Im probably going with a 400 or 600 MH in simlar space requirements but we'll see. The MH can grow it all the way through so its quite economical.
 
GeorgeSmiley

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If you don't have to produce a ton then def go with 600's.... my 8 inch fan is silent but the whoosh of air is so lound you can't hear anything above it..... takes a lot to cool and maintain temps in a small space.... especially with 1000w.

MYou might have an easier go of things if you stick to 600's. You can grow just as much bud well nearly, you just gotta train them and learn to use light to your advantage.

Smiley

I recommend you do a lot more research before you go shopping. A lot
 
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Whipit

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GeorgeSmiley said:
If you don't have to produce a ton then def go with 600's.... my 8 inch fan is silent but the whoosh of air is so lound you can't hear anything above it..... takes a lot to cool and maintain temps in a small space.... especially with 1000w.

MYou might have an easier go of things if you stick to 600's. You can grow just as much bud well nearly, you just gotta train them and learn to use light to your advantage.

Smiley

I recommend you do a lot more research before you go shopping. A lot
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You are SO right! I just found VHO fluorescent lighting. There must be hundreds of hours of study to do. I've really only touched the surface. I'm going to spend the summer learning what I need to know. By fall, prices should come down and I'll have all kinds of time.

Thanks.
 
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Whipit said:
You are SO right! I just found VHO fluorescent lighting. There must be hundreds of hours of study to do. I've really only touched the surface. I'm going to spend the summer learning what I need to know. By fall, prices should come down and I'll have all kinds of time.

Thanks.
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Alright.. you need some motivation now.. Sounds to me like your getting cold feet. It's not that hard, you just need to consider a few options and decide what sounds good for you. Learn as you go and avoid doing stupid stuff and you'll have your first crop out before you know it and you'll have ideas for what to do different as you go.. Get after it man! Whole world of pot growin to do and only one lifetime to do it in!

mgk :whee:
 
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MaynardG_Krebs said:
Alright.. you need some motivation now.. Sounds to me like your getting cold feet. It's not that hard, you just need to consider a few options and decide what sounds good for you. Learn as you go and avoid doing stupid stuff and you'll have your first crop out before you know it and you'll have ideas for what to do different as you go.. Get after it man! Whole world of pot growin to do and only one lifetime to do it in!

mgk :whee:
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After seeing High Country's buds, it does get the blood flowing again! I suppose at best I end up with something I can smoke and at worst I fail. I appreciate the kick in the ass!
 
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Whipit said:
After seeing High Country's buds, it does get the blood flowing again! I suppose at best I end up with something I can smoke and at worst I fail. I appreciate the kick in the ass!
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Even a 'failure' will probably yield you better smoke that comes off the street most of the time. You come up with a game plan, put it up here and we'll ponder it and try to keep you pointed in the right direction. I'm not saying that I have all the answers, but between your thoughts and some interjection from some other members and we'll get you going. Any thoughts on if you're going to go Hydro of some sort or soil? If I remember correctly, you've got beans on the way. We need to get busy so you're ready when the get here!

mgk :tiphat:
 
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I just wanted to mention that in a grow room it is possible to use a high powered light in your veg room and still put your clones in the room under it.If it will be too bright you could allways filter it some or block the clones from getting the full light.Thinking outside the box will save you some money doing this.
 
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Whipit

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MaynardG_Krebs said:
Even a 'failure' will probably yield you better smoke that comes off the street most of the time. You come up with a game plan, put it up here and we'll ponder it and try to keep you pointed in the right direction. I'm not saying that I have all the answers, but between your thoughts and some interjection from some other members and we'll get you going. Any thoughts on if you're going to go Hydro of some sort or soil? If I remember correctly, you've got beans on the way. We need to get busy so you're ready when the get here!

mgk :tiphat:
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If I didn't learn anything else, I have learned that if I misspell the title of a thread it will get a lot of interest!:)

I'm going hydro. I never really wanted to do anything else and after seeing what High Country does, I'm sold! I now know that I can get more than I will be allowed to legally grow, if I continue to learn what I need to know. I knew that this would be an additional issue to deal with. I never grew because it was illegal. Now that I can legally grow, I want to have a constant supply and maintain compliance with the law. I'm registered with the state as a grower (try not to laugh too hard), so it gives me some incentive to work with the system.

I've spent countless hours reading and I intend to continue. I just purchased a PH/EC/TDS meter (with all of the required pieces). I'm going to build my own ebb/flow systems to fit my grow areas. I'll have to start by getting a couple of plants, from a couple of strains and bud some clones to find a female, or two, for "mums". It looks like I can do this with a lot of HO fluorescent and I'd prefer to work with that, as a beginner. I'm leaning toward a 600W MH/HPS fixture for a 4'X4' budding room. It will be plenty to get me started and I can probably always use it somewhere, if I upgrade later on.

I've always grown stuff. I have a bunch of orchids and can grow anything outdoors. This seems simple to folks who have done it. I'm guessing that I'll get something worth smoking, but I'll have to work my way up to sticky, meaty buds.

Thanks to everyone for pointing me where I needed to go. I learn more every day. Smiley was right. I do need to read A LOT! If HC didn't come along, I don't know when I would have learned about EC.

So, that's the plan, unless I learn something and it changes.
 
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OneTonManPanda

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... CFL's. safe, cool and you can get 6500K (blue "daylight bulbs"(veg)) and 2100K (red "soft white bulbs"(flower)) just IMO on the lighting. first part i read.
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