Met 52- Is this the final product???!!!

[sammyz2646]

Update- So I painstakingly just dug up all existing adult plants and buried approx. double or maybe even triple the recommended amount of Met 52, 1-2 inches under the perlite and gnatnix that is over the rock wool. So effectively placing in on the surface of the R/W under the top dressing's. Hoping it will "take" in this medium. Either way I'm feeling good that in 3-10 days I should hopefully gain some help along with my now daily cedar oil area sprays. I actually think that the beauveria bassiana fungus in the Botaniguard is already helping as I introduced that maybe 2 weeks ago or so. Less visible pest activity but still a few problem children that may be trashed depending on their pest severity. I intend to continue to update these results.

I also intend to add some neem cake tea as directed by a few folks here. I have never used this but it sounds super beneficial. All newbies from here on out will be injected with this brown expensive rice. Keeping my fingers crossed

 

[Budwhyser]

So today is application day on all existing plants and of course every newbie from this point on. I will be adding approx 6 grams per gallon to the infected teens and adults in hope this may help a bit throughout their aging process

My questions are important because I really don't want to hurt this investment.

What pest knockdown product CAN be used in conjuction w/ the Met as a knockdown that WONT hurt this fungus as they are already very well established in the older plants? Up to this point it has been a daily battle with a fungicide to keep them at bay, so to speak. This HAS to be eliminated as it will kill my investment.

ANY IDEAS????

Does the Cedar Oil harm the MET 52????

I am not very sure how to achieve my goals her, especially with already infested plants https://www.icmag.com/ic/images/smilies/dunno.gif

There are many huge threads on this topic with varying results. Met52 is only effective (in my experience) as a preventive in clean soil. It takes 2-3 weeks to innoculate the soil before its ready. There are no effective organic methods to eliminate these things (again in my experience).

Step one is to totally toss all plants that are very damaged, they will not recover and if they do the quality and the smell will not be there. Toss the pot, the medium and the plant in its entirety. The aphids have a toxin that infects the plants. Some people say that even clones from the infected plants don't grow properly either.

Step 2 for the plants that you want to try and save give them 325mg of aspirin per gallon of water and do this with every watering. Next, You will need to use something nuclear like Merit75 or Spectracide Triazicide. These will pretty much do it in one shot, but you want to only treat with these chems in veg only. And once your space is infected, you need to treat all your new plants as if they are infected with the above mentioned chems. These chems are systemic and will remain in the plant up to 6 weeks.

Step 3 once you have them under control, then go to koppert.com and order the swirkii mites and hang the sachets on all of your plants in veg. These will keep any remaining population in check

I would also use the met52 along with neem meal in your soil as an added protection. Also, use the ogbiowar as a foilar once a week up and until week 4 of flower.

Again, you'll hear 50 different version of what works. This is what worked for me and I had them twice. The second time I realize that they are everywhere and can easily be reintroduced to your space once irradicated. So you have to find a way to coexist and deal with them. Good luck

 

[ozzieAI]

I also intend to add some neem cake tea as directed by a few folks here. I have never used this but it sounds super beneficial.

by all means use the tea but also add neem cake to the top layer of your medium and they will not return...well they haven't for me

good luck

and yeah the oil won't leave any residue on your roots...

 

[indianajones]

triazicide has worked for me in the past, good luck.

 

[Granger2]

Neem cake is a good thing to use, but you'll need to adjust your feeds best you can to account for the N-P-K in the cake. Pretty high N. Good luck. -granger

 

[sammyz2646]

Hope the combination of these products and all the great tips from you all here on IC Mag will send these RA's packin'
Just need to figure out how to upload these photos, no URL and no upload button like before

 

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[sammyz2646]

Finally got the photo issue figured out. So this is my current arsenal of weapons as instructed by good folks with fine advice. I am seeing lots of improvement here. What a relief! To not see creepy crawlies everywhere. The neem seed meal really helped, along with the cedarcide

 

[sammyz2646]

UPDATE-

So its been almost 2 weeks since the addition of the Met 52 among various other forms of attack. I am not sure exactly what did the job, but I am almost pest free. I see only a single one or maybe a few at most each day at this point.
I added the OG Biowar root pack into my EWC tea mixture and continued with the Botaniguard once a week, but IMO the biggest help with the best results was the addition of the neem meal as a top dressing. Thank you Granger!!!!!!! as soon as this was added, they almost vanished overnight, with just a few escapees the next day or two. It sealed them under the cake and disrupted them big time

Keep in mind I had the WORST outbreak here. Crawling nymphs everywhere and flying males ALL OVER. Thousands of them and EVERY plant infected. I had no idea this could even happen and that lack of knowledge is a painful, stressful and very expensive trip down a bumpy ugly road that no one should endure if the right information is available. I know they aren't gone by any means, but it is very possible to shake and/or at least manage these pests without ANY chemicals or toxic pesticide. I didn't even use sticky traps even though they help

Met 52 as a preventative that is ammended into new soil or soiless media
Neem meal as a top dressing on infected plants
Neem meal also will be ammended into the newbies as an additional preventative
Cedar oil is the perfect area spray as was discussed prior here.
OG Biowar was added once a week
Botaniguard was added once a week
BUGS GONE!!!!!!!! For now

Everyones help on my current struggle was very helpful and much appreciated and I can only hope that the next person in this situation will be directed either here or to the easiest safest way to eradicate these bastards sooner than the nightmare that I, and seemingly so many endure.

 

[Granger2]

Sammy,
Credit where credit's due. Thank Ozzie for the Neem Cake suggestion. I only concurred, along with the Cedarcide suggestion. BTW, did you do a Cedarcide 30 minute soak, or just an area spray? Glad you got them under control. Vigilance! Good luck. -granger

 

[sammyz2646]

Granger, I ended up NOT doing a root soak or not even needing to I should say. My previous experiences with root zone soaks left me feeling weary about potential repercussions even with a good flush, post-soak. So I ended up just using it as a spray in and around the plant areas. I had been using the Go Gnats cedar in my rez prior to these helpful answers that you, OZZIE, and others gave me, with some reduction in the population with a TEMPORARY pull back of the buggers, but to no avail. They always returned. Then came the burning from the multiple Nuke Em' soaks with limited control once again. So I ended up with many damaged or even throw away plants in the group.

I do in fact believe that the cedarcide soaks would, and could be, an effective treatment , however I was apprehensive about potential further damage to already sensitive plants. I successfully managed to eliminate them with the MET any NO further root drenches.

 

[sammyz2646]

Again, without specific direction related to this CURRENT and ever changing issue , I would have read and read and read and could only have guessed at which tools would be the most specific and most helpful and for that, I owe OZZIE, and everyone else that helped here the utmost THANKS!!!!!

 

[sammyz2646]

........And the battle continues......on a smaller scale but there are still some flying machines around. Amazing

 

[sammyz2646]

So the verdict is in. . . . . Met 52 does NOT work, at least here , for me. I even amended early and in addition added some crab meal for the chitlin as they say it promotes better fungus growth of the Met 52, among other things. None of this crap matters cause I still have root aphids !!
So now I am using neem cake tea (ph'd), since it goes up fast with neem cake, and it is helping.
Using neem cake as a top dressing worked well to knock the population down, but turned into a muck on the surface that suffocated my plants badly in these geo-pots

 

[sammyz2646]

In addition I switched to these fabric geopots which air prune. Thats fantastic, BUT, the roots still poke through the fabric and become a meal for hungry aphids. Man this really sucks!!!!! I would do anything for more help here, anything, except using poisons

 

[Vape-pro]

I've seen how met 52 works . It spreads when the aphids come in contact with each other. The fungus grows on them , slowly rendering them ineffective as root aphids . Have you flowered a room yet with innoculated met52 soil ? Throw up some yellow sticky traps and flower them out , and see that met 52 allows your plants to flower as if there were practically no pests , even if there are still a few around. At least in my experience. Good luck.

 

[Granger2]

Sammy,
You still have RA's, but are their RA symptoms? Met works a bit slowly, but when infected, the RA's stop feeding very soon, but take awhile to die. -granger

 

[sammyz2646]

Sammy,
You still have RA's, but are their RA symptoms? Met works a bit slowly, but when infected, the RA's stop feeding very soon, but take awhile to die. -granger

Hey Grang, Symptoms? YES like aphids crawling all over!!! I have had the Met since these mature flowering plants were clones. Its not doing the trick. Of course some are worse than others but man, I am telling you, this is enough to drive a guy crazy. Working so hard daily and making tea, which even the tea particulate seemingly slowly clogs the root mass until after numerous applications, the water stops draining and it can't get oxygen, plus the tea seemingly only slows the aphids , not eliminating them. Been adding OG Biowar root pack and Botaniguard for months and still, APHIDS

Granted I am managing to end up with at least some harvest, but only with stupid amounts of hard work and dedication. I am constantly spraying the outside of the geo-pots with Einstein (emulsified) for any live crawlers

HELP PLEASE!!!!

 

[ph0r2102]

have you tried any bayer products? or other imid product? I rotated two diff bayers, spectracide, bonide tree and shrub imid product, bti, dunks, trantula, piranah, sub culture, and few others that escape memory... long story short i thought they were gone for about ... 20 - 30 days.. no signs at all.. they are back (some type of mite thats only in the medium and either RA/FN).. most effective has been root soak/rinse with the spectracide and root soaks with 125F ph'd tap water for about 5-10 mins.. honestly think the hot water works better than everything so far, for me.