Medicinal pot growers busted for trafficking

[HerbMan26]

http://www.vancouversun.com/Medicinal+growers+busted+trafficking/2555125/story.html


This makes me wonder if its even worth the hassle of getting a license. Cops will probly find some way to get access to the name of license holders then come knocking.

 

[Chunkybuddha]

http://www.vancouversun.com/Medicinal+growers+busted+trafficking/2555125/story.html


This makes me wonder if its even worth the hassle of getting a license. Cops will probly find some way to get access to the name of license holders then come knocking.

I believe when you get a gun license you are obligated to sign a form saying you will not traffic arms.

You don't think that should be the same as drugs? Don't be blinded by love man. Marijuana is still a drug; and drugs can cause trouble. If you sell a key of coke and the deal goes down bad, people shoot. Just because it's green and makes people happy, doesn't mean a pound of weed is free.

People should be responsible with their license and stop fucking it up for the rest of us who wish to get one some day. Cops checking grows is absolutely logical. Fucking hassle yes, but they're not stupid; as much as we think they are.

 

[MoeBudz^420]

I think cannabis should be treated EXACTLY like another drug...


Alcohol.

Edit: And with Harper and Nazi -cons holding power? I sure wouldn't want my name on their list - he is not good news for cannabis - medical or not.

c-15, ETA April, with a nazi-con dominant Senate...


Peace

 

[HerbMan26]

I believe when you get a gun license you are obligated to sign a form saying you will not traffic arms.

You don't think that should be the same as drugs? Don't be blinded by love man. Marijuana is still a drug; and drugs can cause trouble. If you sell a key of coke and the deal goes down bad, people shoot. Just because it's green and makes people happy, doesn't mean a pound of weed is free.

People should be responsible with their license and stop fucking it up for the rest of us who wish to get one some day. Cops checking grows is absolutely logical. Fucking hassle yes, but they're not stupid; as much as we think they are.

Thats true, he screwed up by selling yes. But i heard of cases and spoke to someone who was busted not too long ago even when they were well within there limits. But hey i dont have a license so i dont grow or smoke ,so its just a thought. Just makes you wonder sometimes though

 

[Chunkybuddha]

But i heard of cases and spoke to someone who was busted not too long ago even when they were well within there limits.

Now that situation is different. That's an American thought process. Let you grow, but just before you crack off your first harvest we're shutting you down. Oh thanks for the tax money though, peace. Assholes! I hope Canada is still her own country in 50 years.

 

[B. Friendly]

Health Canada refuses to give the RCMP any info on medical users. These guys are just coincoidences and that's all.

For the same reason you cannot have a licensed helper that has been charged with any drug offence in the past 10 years it is to keep the system from being abused. Even tho these guys would make the best growers ie past experience. lol

 

[Massproducer]

Not quite true, when you apply for a license you sign a document that states that you agree to have HC notify the local PD that you are now legal, but this is meant to help not harm. I now have the leo on my side, so if need be I can call them if someone decides to rob me. Now I have to call BS on anyone stating that they have been arrested and charged if they are within there prescribed limit. Police do however have the right to check on your plant numbers and whatnot and will harrass you if you are cought breaching your limits, mainly because HC will not prosecute if your caught with a few extra plants, you need to be caught with an excessive amount that the only logical explanation wold be trafficking. I have had my license now for 3 years and yeah, LEO knows whats good, but they do not bother me.

 

[ParadigmShift]

But i heard of cases and spoke to someone who was busted not too long ago even when they were well within there limits.

What where the circumstances?
Was they selling?
How did they make out in trial?

 

[mr noodles]

c-15 will be back legal or not under the mmar

terror

they also want to cut the head of the legal program....

shit blizzard is coming...

 

[VagPuncher]

They should have their licenses taken away

 

[Dr Dog]

I have the Police into my grow to check it out

I have nothing to hide there. They know that and they are welcome anytime they wish to come see it, within reason of course. I run a professional set up, so why would I do something amateur like sell med. The problem with the system as it stands, is that med patients normally refuse to do anything to help a DG and expect them to sell what is left over to cover costs. Luckily enough the guys I grow for, cover costs. I know I would not be able to afford paying 30 k watts every month for trying to help.

And the honor of growing legally, is just not incentive enough for me to spend the 30 odd hours I spend a week working there

So until the rules change or the "hands out" mentality of med patients does, this type of thing will most likely continue to happen, and just keep putting black eyes on the MMAR program

 

[HerbMan26]

First off dont let this stop you from getting your license i just posted for a good read and some info to remind you not to sell or break the law and to show the contradiction tehy made about the privacy law issue. In the cases that i have heard of and seen the grows where within there legal limits, but whoes to know if they broke some other laws why they got busted i have no idea so they could indeed be BS so dont hold me to that. If you read the article they said the RCMP found 6 people who had pervious drug charges where granted permits. They also say that the because of privacy laws HC cannot share permit holder info with the RCMP, however that doesnt mean they dont have access to it."RCMP study found six medical marijuana licence holders did in fact have drug charges or convictions on their records." well for them to do a back ground check they need a permit holder name. Fact of the matter is if you are within your permit limits you should be safe, but according to HC your privacy should also be safe from the RCMP. Just makes you wonder

 

[ParadigmShift]

That article worries me a little, as I thought if you plan to grow for yourself it made no difference weather you had a prior cultivation or not. I never had to submit a police clearance beings that I was not asking to be a DG. But maybe things have changed, haven't received my card yet and all paper work was sent out well over 10 weeks ago...So maybe now even to grow for yourself you can't have a prior?

 

[Massproducer]

When you sign your documents it clearly states on the application that you agree to let HC notify your LOCAL police department. It has nothing to do with privacy laws as you are consenting to it, if you do not consent then you can't sign the forms as that is one of the clauses that you are signing for on your original application.

What would be breaching privacy would be if my local PD released information as to who has licenses in my area to the RCMP, the RCMP will never have information on my grow unless they are a part of my local inspection team, who have every right to check on your grow, it is once again another thing that you sign to when you submit your application. You gotta read the fine print. So yes your LOCAL PD or RCMP will have the information about your license, including your plant numbers, but this information is protected and can not be shared with say the RCMP drug task force who would love to have this info, but every PD that has local exemptees has an inspection team made up of officers, they are privied to all the local exemptees info, as the inspection team is who is tasked at monitoring the exemptee's. The majority of busts come from the inspection team because you breached your conditions when they came to inspect, and sooner or later they will come.

 

[Massproducer]

I am not sure but it would kind of make sense to me, similar to getting your PAL gun license, they will not approve your license if you have drug or violent priors, so I wouldn't be surprized at all, but I would think if it is the case they would be looking for drug priors.

That article worries me a little, as I thought if you plan to grow for yourself it made no difference weather you had a prior cultivation or not. I never had to submit a police clearance beings that I was not asking to be a DG. But maybe things have changed, haven't received my card yet and all paper work was sent out well over 10 weeks ago...So maybe now even to grow for yourself you can't have a prior?

 

[Massproducer]

I just don't see it happening, politicians can try and pass bills, but it is the courts that uphold the laws, and the court has spoken several times. We are actually moving in the entire opposite direction, as HC was told by the supreme court that if they do not majorily overhaul their restrictions then all of the resctrictions will be null and void, meaning that courts in Canada will not prosecute anyone charged by HC for violating HC's rules, so basically it that happened, medical exemptees would have no regulations at all, including plant numbers and the amount of patients a grower can produce for, it basically takes Marijuana laws off the books for exemptees. I can tell you HC can not allow that to happen and as such are in the process right now of revamping a lot of there policies, such as the amount of people a DG can grow for.

So basically we have already reached a point of no return with our federal program. HC just had to change the 1 patient per DG policy as that is what started the court cases. The only allowed 1 extra patient per DG which we feel is a mockary of the Supreme Court decision and we as exemptees have already taken HC back to court to reveal this mockary, this is currently in progress.

c-15 will be back legal or not under the mmar

terror

they also want to cut the head of the legal program....

shit blizzard is coming...

 

[HerbMan26]

When you sign your documents it clearly states on the application that you agree to let HC notify your LOCAL police department. It has nothing to do with privacy laws as you are consenting to it, if you do not consent then you can't sign the forms as that is one of the clauses that you are signing for on your original application.

What would be breaching privacy would be if my local PD released information as to who has licenses in my area to the RCMP, the RCMP will never have information on my grow unless they are a part of my local inspection team, who have every right to check on your grow, it is once again another thing that you sign to when you submit your application. You gotta read the fine print. So yes your LOCAL PD or RCMP will have the information about your license, including your plant numbers, but this information is protected and can not be shared with say the RCMP drug task force who would love to have this info, but every PD that has local exemptees has an inspection team made up of officers, they are privied to all the local exemptees info, as the inspection team is who is tasked at monitoring the exemptee's. The majority of busts come from the inspection team because you breached your conditions when they came to inspect, and sooner or later they will come.

Right on, this has answered all my questions. What i didnt know was that the RCMP drug task force and the inspection team had different privileges to that info. Thanks MP thats a very informitive post.

 

[t.o.med]

Not quite true, when you apply for a license you sign a document that states that you agree to have HC notify the local PD that you are now legal, but this is meant to help not harm. I now have the leo on my side, so if need be I can call them if someone decides to rob me. Now I have to call BS on anyone stating that they have been arrested and charged if they are within there prescribed limit. Police do however have the right to check on your plant numbers and whatnot and will harrass you if you are cought breaching your limits, mainly because HC will not prosecute if your caught with a few extra plants, you need to be caught with an excessive amount that the only logical explanation wold be trafficking. I have had my license now for 3 years and yeah, LEO knows whats good, but they do not bother me.

"To reduce the possibility of police intervention when you engage in activities allowed under your licence, Health Canada will
communicate limited licence information to Canadian police in response to a request received from Canadian police in the
context of an investigation under the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act or the Marihuana Medical Access Regulations."

leo has to ask health canada if your liscenced. health canada doent give out the info unles asked.

 

[Massproducer]

The part your missing is the very last part which is " or the Marihuana Medical Access Regulations", e.g, the inspection team, which are police officers that monitor the MMAR. So it is saying that if the police are investigatiing you for a crime or if the inspection team wants to simply pay you a visit. If you are licensed you will find out soon enough. Like I said you need to read the fine print.

 

[Dr Dog]

you want them to know about you

The last thing you want is a raid and an ask questions later bust, meanwhile all your work is gone.

Make sure your game is tight, you are all to code, and within your numbers, you are fine