Medical is finished in California

[THE PABLOS]

Yep
I can't help but think that if 19 had passed, they wouldn't be trying to pull this bullshit.

You guys made your bed, looks like you have to lay in it now.
You can't say you weren't warned about this kind of thing happening.

Warned about what....by whom? What are you talking about dude?

Shush...lol...this kind of thing is in inevitable....whether 19 passed or not. You guys need to get past this. It doesn't affect you at this point...no matter how far of reach you want to make it man.

You guys need to learn to chill....really....do we seem worried out here?

ABSOLUTELY....deep down...you out of staters want to see us get burned....WHY????

You all worry more than us....and it's in our state. This shit has been going on for years and years...as per plan. Do you not see that? As per plan???? years and years and years and years......and it is still going.

 

[JayTrinity]

When they passed the moratorium they said "Prohibition is now in effect"

Also if any one knows the laws of prop 19 would have given local city ordnances even larger and more powerful tools to shape both prop 19 and 215 into 25sf boxes or not at all depending on how they wanted to shape it or reshape it.

Every one in California must immediatey go to every planning committee and join normal. because the soccer moms are going to eat your lunch and I was told by the main counsel member and lawyer their system is in full roll out for all of the areas, so if your in California it might be to late already.

Prop 19 would also have been bound by these city land uses, even more so because the "Child protection" tools in prop 19.

I have never seen any of these "Illegal" grows as I run a high end first class cooperative with police protection with no guns or these pitbulls or chain saws but its a shit hole just a few miles from where im at right out of a mad max film.

This is a civil matter and warrants would need to be in effect, and the police said they really don't have any authority what so ever and "State guidelines"

just don't shit where you eat and your fine im told..

Playing soon at a theater near you!

 

[GanjaIsMyLife]

And I can't help but think if all the complainers who don't even live in California would quit they're bitching and move out here to try and make an actual difference through voting, then we might actually have had a chance with prop19 passing. But thinking that prop19 failed because all the growers didn't get out there and vote is naive and ignorant. So by all means, ddrew and others like you, keep on talking shit from the sidelines, I am sure it will help

I know people think it was the growers who voted against it, come on have some common sense do you think there was enough growers out there voting to actually stop 19 from passing?

If so your so delusional and it makes sense as to why you have a foil hat on! 19 isn't what we needed, we need more rights for med patients, like not being fired for consuming medical cannabis on your own time.

I TOLD YOU SO that shit gets old really fast!

 

[Yes4Prop215]

so basically they wanna make all unregulated grows illegal again, and let big business run the legal mega warehouses.

fuck it....all this will do is drive up prices..black market growers everywhere could give a SHIT about a 100 sf regulation lol. im just glad im in alameda and my current grow wont exceed 100sf..

 

[JayTrinity]

This is not how the event went down at all,
http://www.redding.com/news/2011/feb/02/trinity-supervisors-ok-temporary-moratorium-large/

In fact small homes with out 100ft distance from the neighbors fence would be prohibited from any outside plants.

Go measure your distance to the neighbors fence, is it 100 feet?

 

[I.M. Boggled]

And the viewpoint from a frustrated and disgusted long term resident...

And the viewpoint from a frustrated and disgusted long term resident...

The following types of observations are what is driving this local movement in an attempt to reign in all the travelin' circus grow shows that have "sprung up like weeds" in recent times in Trinity County.
This redacted opinion page piece is from the local Redding, California Newspaper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Pot growing makes trouble in Shangri-la
I've lived in a nice residential subdivision in the central part of Trinity County for 22 years.
We've had our share of bad neighbor episodes (drunken speeders, fiery disputes about road repair, etc.) but not like what we're having now.

In the last couple of years, there has been an influx of marijuana growers into our subdivision.
One of the growers has put up multiple greenhouses on his two-acre parcel in addition to his one-acre outdoor marijuana garden.
This grower is the epitome of a bad neighbor.
He harasses the neighbors with profanity, threats, horn honking, and speeding on our roads.
Numerous complaints to the sheriff and deputies and attempts at getting a restraining order have come to nothing.
Gone is our peaceful life of the past.

I was complaining about my neighborhood situation to a friend who lives in Hayfork.
He looked at me musingly and said, "You think you have a problem?
Have you visited Hayfork recently?"
No, I hadn't been to Hayfork for probably six years.
"Well come down. I'll take you on a tour."
The next Saturday, I took the beautiful (and winding) drive to Hayfork, enjoying the grand Hayfork Valley opening out before me.
Hayfork has always had a Wild West feel; it's a town of individuals, and proud of it.
But as I drove down Highway 3 into town, something seemed different, and not in a good way.
The same businesses still looked good.
So what was wrong?

When I got to my friend's house, he asked, "Did you notice all the marijuana grows when you were coming into town and on Main Street?"
No, I hadn't really.
OK — it was time for me to take "the tour."
As we drove down Main Street, I became increasingly aware of the problems that the explosion of marijuana growing in Trinity County has brought to Hayfork.
Grows ranging from a quarter to a half acre were sprinkled all along Main Street.

The standard grow-in-town "look," I learned, was a bamboo and tarp fence enclosing the grow next to the house. (Some of the houses are condemned.)
The yard often is filled with tents or ancient RVs and decrepit school buses — "housing" for the grow workers.
In the driveway are numerous vehicles, often brand new 4x4 pickups and U-Haul trailers for transporting the crop.
And then there is the trash, often dumped everywhere.
I saw larger multi-acre grows just on the edge of the main part of town.
They were obvious, because graded and now-eroding roads scarred the hills, and log and slash piles from timber clear-cut to make room for marijuana gardens were in plain view from the highway.

I asked my friend how people lived in these dumps, so much like the Hoovervilles from the Great Depression.
What did they do about electricity, water and sewage disposal?
He told me that some of the houses and of course the tents and ancient RVs have no electricity, water or sewage facilities.
So what do the grow workers do for a bathroom?
"You can imagine," he replied.

Now I could identify what created the different "look" in Hayfork:
Main Street and the Highway 3 margins of town were rife with growers' "shanty towns" and all of the resultant mess that went with them.
Why does this situation exist?
According to my friend, Hayfork citizens have been voicing concerns and calls to the county to address the numerous violations to existing county codes regarding building, environmental protection, sanitation, etc., to no avail.

We then drove through a couple of Hayfork's nicer subdivisions. Interspersed among the nice homes were other homes with, no surprise, the tell-tale fencing enclosing marijuana plots of anywhere from a half acre to an acre.

One house and grounds now looked like a prison compound. Enclosing it was a quarter mile of new cyclone fencing, covered with new tarp.
This effectively limited a view of the large outdoor grow inside the fence.
Posted along the fence were big signs:
"No Trespassing, Illegal to Enter this Property," as well as by other signs that warned "Beware: Security Dogs."
The grower had come from out of county, bought the land in the spring of 2010, put up the fence, and accomplished the grow.
I wondered where the money came from to fund such large investment in property and materials.

I also wondered how an operation of this size, supposedly a Proposition 215 (medical marijuana) grow, could exist in a subdivision.
But then I remembered.
Our county has no regulations restricting grows in residential neighborhoods.
Witness my own neighborhood problem with the commercial grower.
If we don't have regulations to deal with the explosion of marijuana grows in our county, we all may be facing Hayfork's situation in the near future.

As we drove on, I saw something that looked like huge circus tents.
I learned these were the processing tents for the marijuana harvest.
Surrounding them were five or more small tents where the harvest workers lived.
There was only one Porta-potty for the operation.
There were three large U-Haul trucks to take away the harvest, as well as the ubiquitous pit bull guard dogs.
And again, no electricity or water for the grow workers.
The tents were only 200 feet from the picture window of the neighbors' house, a beautiful new home.
I learned that the residents no longer take walks in the neighborhood because they have had pit bull attacks and threatening behavior from the growers who have moved in from out of county.

I was feeling pretty depressed with all I'd seen.
I could well understand the sadness in my friend's face as we passed so much ruination of the beautiful Hayfork valley.
I asked him what he planned to do.
He said he'd move if he could.
But all his money was tied up in his land and home.
"It's not a place to raise your kids, now.
And I hear that all the time from my friends and neighbors.
All I can say is, we have to raise awareness in the county about where we are headed with this marijuana problem.
I wish everyone could come and see what Hayfork is dealing with.
And this isn't even Trinity Pines."
Trinity Pines is a subdivision in Trinity County, about 45 minutes south of Hayfork.
It has been taken over by marijuana growers, who have intimidated many of the original residents into fleeing.
The Trinity Journal and the Sheriff's Report column regularly report the assaults, pit bull attacks, intimidation, gunpoint hold-ups, and unexplained deaths in the Pines.
The land has been destroyed by clear-cutting for marijuana grows.
My friend won't drive there anymore, saying, "You don't want to go in there without an armed police escort."

As I drove back over Hayfork Summit, I felt low.
I was glad to get back to the other side of the hill, to central Trinity County, where it looked so peaceful.

I thought of what so many people have called Trinity County — our Shangri-la.
But I knew our lovely environment was already being compromised.
There is significant damage to the land and water by unregulated and large-scale marijuana growing by out-of-county people.
The influx of nonresident growers and workers creates sanitation and safety issues.
This is happening countywide.
And it is happening right in our residential neighborhoods.

Most of us moved to Trinity County for the peace, safety and beauty of this area, for us and for our children.
We need to protect our Shangri-la by getting involved and making sure our county government knows we want them to take action on the explosion of commercial marijuana growing and the problems that come with it.
...Reddingdotcom.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

It sounds like their are many legitimate zoning issues that need addressing as this "industry" is not showing any inclination to self regulate itself...that being so, it then befalls to the zoning department by statutory default to resolve the outstanding community development issues.

"Be There or Be Square" as far as zoning hearings are concerned (those should be interesting) as the opposition (the local neighbors that are in compliance with all zoning laws) have the legal high ground here and are well within there rights to ask for relief from the zoning department.
I would think that the county already has many existing regulations already (Health and Sanitation...structures...proper land use...etc.) that can be enforced at will if so desired and the locals are now apparently desiring this.
Where I live if you refuse to play ball with zoning department the judge fines you AND throws you in jail for 10 days to enable meditative thought process's on the part of the non-compliant first time violator.

“there’s no way we will implement any of this in a timely manner for this grow season.
We’ve received over 100 e-mails from people concerned about that and it’s obvious to me that even if the supervisors pass an ordinance, there will be a lag before anything is implemented.”
-Trinity County Commissioner Groves , Jan.19th, 2011

IMB

 

[David762]

It's time for ALL growers to become politically active.

It's time for ALL growers to become politically active.

It started in tahema and was carbon copied in trinity.

It's time for ALL growers to become politically active.

The reactionary fascists are absolutely trying to put the MMJ "toothpaste back into the toothpaste tube". Edicts from city or county councils (zoning changes, regulations, special taxes & fees) can be overturned, but usually requires a change in government at the local level. This needs to be done asap.

In two CA counties, I have seen local council or LEO initiated changes to rental agreements that quote Federal narcotic statutes to override CA State laws, including both Prop 215 and SB 420.

Example #1: Lake County

I was going to purchase a used mobile home in an established mobile home park. The management company's lot rental contract included a County LEO inspired Addendum which not only made use of Federal narcotic statutes to ban any resident from the possession, use, or manufacture of any controlled substances under threat of immediate eviction, But also allowed the management company's employees or any designated agent of the company 24/7/365 access to the resident's mobile home, including LEO's. I was assured that this included Lot Rental Addendum was not merely common but universal to every mobile home park in the County.

Example #2: Solano County

I was looking at renting an apartment in Solano County as an alternative to renting a SFH or purchasing a foreclosure SFH, just to establish CA residency. In multiple instances, the apartment management company included a City or County LEO promulgated "Crime Free Residency" Addendum which quoted Federal narcotics statutes to override CA State statutes (Prop 215 and SB 420) to prohibit the possession, use, or manufacture of controlled substances under threat of immediate eviction. While I cannot confirm the widespread use of this Rental Agreement Addendum, I can vouch for the fact that this was a "boilerplate" document from the local LEOs -- the only difference between the Addendum that I saw was a place in the header for that specific apartment complex.

I cannot help but come to the conclusion that an over-arching State-wide LEO organization is pressing for these decidedly undemocratic changes to established State MMJ statutes, with the express intent of killing off cannabis reform. No doubt, this State LEO organization got their inspiration, if not their orders from the Feds (like DEA). It has the stench of tyrannical police state fascism, which cares not one whit for the will of the people as expressed by their votes at the voting booth. So much for the rule of law, democracy, or any remaining pretense of States' Rights.

 

[JayTrinity]

Any news from Humboldt and the mess thats going on with the new laws or reform or what ever?

 

[guest8905]

I would love to see a lawsuit against one of these counties. How can they tell someone how much medicine he or she needs? That seems to patient/ doctor territory imo.

Is their any zoning laws in the text of Prop 215? SB420 is illegal, so really any laws brought into the health and safety code by SB420 would therefore be deemed illegal?

I hate this gray area shit, sorry for swearing, but c'mon. How is it bad for someone to have a few nice bushes in the back yard?


stickKy

 

[Lazyman]

Basically 215 says that city and county governments can enact their own restrictions, so that's where this suit came from. The judge determined that the cultivation restrictions were exactly the type of thing that would fit into that description.

 

[redeyesurprise]

Just reminds me of all the "I'm getting mine, fuck you" and "nobody can stop us" attitudes that were so prevalent in November. How can you possibly think that the government is going to leave growers alone when many were bragging of their 6 figure incomes? The government will regulate and control cannabis and will ultimately "get theirs" regardless of the cost.

Unfortunately, this is just the beginning...

Good luck to all the affected growers. Let's hope for a better resolution in 2012.

 

[guest8905]

Tehema court tosses mmj lawsuit

A lawsuit filed against Tehama County and its marijuana cultivation ordinance has been dismissed.

Tehama County Superior Court Judge Richard Scheuler made the ruling Friday. It was distributed to the Tehama County Board of Supervisors Tuesday afternoon.

“I’m very pleased. I thought we would prevail and we did,” said Tehama County Supervisor Bob Williams. “I thought Judge Scheuler was very thorough in his ruling. We knew the ordinance was legal and within our rights.”

The lawsuit was filed on June 7 by J. David Nick and Editte Lerman on behalf of plaintiffs Jason Browne, Dawn Browne, William Browne, Michael Black, Grant Nott, LIndsey Crooks, Brian Loucks, Jason Cater, Josh Hall and Thomas Scott, and claims the county’s ordinance makes it legally impossible for them to exercise their Proposition 215 right to cultivate medical marijuana for themselves.
In his argument to the court, Tehama County Counsel Will Murphy said “the burden to sustain such a challenge is steep ... The challenger must demonstrate that the ordinance inevitably poses a present total and fatal conflict with state law.”

In his ruling, Scheuler said the court “finds as a matter of law that the state medical marijuana law does not preempt the field of county zoning,” and the county’s marijuana ordinance is not pre-empted by any state law nor does it violate or conflict with any state law.

He also ruled against the plaintiffs’ claims the ordinance is unconstitutional and that it violates the right of equal protection and right of privacy.

“All freedoms may be limited,” Scheuler stated in his ruling.

The judge said the ordinance does not restrict or modify the limited criminal defense offered by medical marijuana laws.

Scheuler ruled the county’s creating the “potential for zoning enforcement as to medical marijuana is not the same as criminalizing it,” and it clearly “does not prohibit medical marijuana, but equally clearly it does seek to govern location and manner,” through zoning regulations.

“No legal activity is free of zoning laws,” he states.

The marijuana cultivation ordinance, adopted by the Board of Supervisors on April 6, declares it a public nuisance to grow marijuana anywhere within 1,000 feet of a school, school bus stop, church, park or youth-oriented facility.

It also states no more than 12 mature or 24 immature marijuana plants can be grown in an area 20 acres or less, and if both mature and immature plants are growing there shall be no more than 24 total.

In an area greater than 20 acres but less than 160 acres, no more than 30 mature and 60 immature plants, with no more than 60 total at one time can be grown, the ordinance states, and in an area 160 acres or greater no more than 99 plants, whether mature or immature.

The ordinance requires outdoor gardens be surrounded by an opaque fence at least six feet high and located 100 feet or more from the property boundaries; and requires every patient garden to be registered with the county health services agency.

According to Scheuler, the ordinance “reveals what appears to be a standard zoning ordinance through which the County seeks to protect the health safety of the community.”

http://www.corning-observer.com/news/tehama-9102-county-lawsuit.html

 

[sci-fi]

And the viewpoint from a frustrated and disgusted long term resident...

And the viewpoint from a frustrated and disgusted long term resident...

Boggled. Your post brings a tear to my eye. Those responsible for this should be ashamed and our total pieces of shit. If i still lived up here i just shoot you and feed you to the hogs.. so sad

 

[OsWiZzLe]

Legal or not....we will grow it

 

[IKILL3RI]

Legal or not....we will grow it

Your right about that lol

 

[BM-504]

Jay,
No earthshaking news....from the Times Standard = local paper.

The Humboldt County Planning Commission on Thursday determined that the best strategy for the draft medical marijuana ordinance is to take it slow, while deciding to approve the permit for Myrtletown's Hummingbird Healing Center.
After listening to public comment on a variety of concerns on the ordinance and to commissioners who had their own questions, the commission decided to continue the hearing until May 12. The commission requested county staff provide answers to its questions and look into its suggestions before that meeting. They also requested those changes to the draft be highlighted and made available to the public ahead of time.
The proposed ordinance borrows from the existing medical marijuana ordinances in Eureka and Arcata, taking a land use-based approach to regulation. In the draft, it covers personal indoor grows and medical marijuana dispensaries. A number of residents wanted this ordinance or a separate ordinance to address the issue of outdoor grows simultaneously.
Mostly, residents implored the commission to take its time in developing the ordinance. Local organizations stated that they planned to coordinate and submit a draft ordinance to the commission for its consideration, including the local chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union and the Humboldt Medical Marijuana Advisory Panel.


Let's hope the ACLU and HMMAP can get back the original 100 sqft. and NO watt regs instead of the new proposed 50 sqft and and 1200 watt limits.

Stay safe
BM

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

The following types of observations are what is driving this local movement in an attempt to reign in all the travelin' circus grow shows that have "sprung up like weeds" in recent times in Trinity County.
This redacted opinion page piece is from the local Redding, California Newspaper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Pot growing makes trouble in Shangri-la
I've lived in a nice residential subdivision in the central part of Trinity County for 22 years.
We've had our share of bad neighbor episodes (drunken speeders, fiery disputes about road repair, etc.) but not like what we're having now.

In the last couple of years, there has been an influx of marijuana growers into our subdivision.
One of the growers has put up multiple greenhouses on his two-acre parcel in addition to his one-acre outdoor marijuana garden.
This grower is the epitome of a bad neighbor.
He harasses the neighbors with profanity, threats, horn honking, and speeding on our roads.
Numerous complaints to the sheriff and deputies and attempts at getting a restraining order have come to nothing.
Gone is our peaceful life of the past.

I was complaining about my neighborhood situation to a friend who lives in Hayfork.
He looked at me musingly and said, "You think you have a problem?
Have you visited Hayfork recently?"
No, I hadn't been to Hayfork for probably six years.
"Well come down. I'll take you on a tour."
The next Saturday, I took the beautiful (and winding) drive to Hayfork, enjoying the grand Hayfork Valley opening out before me.
Hayfork has always had a Wild West feel; it's a town of individuals, and proud of it.
But as I drove down Highway 3 into town, something seemed different, and not in a good way.
The same businesses still looked good.
So what was wrong?

When I got to my friend's house, he asked, "Did you notice all the marijuana grows when you were coming into town and on Main Street?"
No, I hadn't really.
OK — it was time for me to take "the tour."
As we drove down Main Street, I became increasingly aware of the problems that the explosion of marijuana growing in Trinity County has brought to Hayfork.
Grows ranging from a quarter to a half acre were sprinkled all along Main Street.

The standard grow-in-town "look," I learned, was a bamboo and tarp fence enclosing the grow next to the house. (Some of the houses are condemned.)
The yard often is filled with tents or ancient RVs and decrepit school buses — "housing" for the grow workers.
In the driveway are numerous vehicles, often brand new 4x4 pickups and U-Haul trailers for transporting the crop.
And then there is the trash, often dumped everywhere.
I saw larger multi-acre grows just on the edge of the main part of town.
They were obvious, because graded and now-eroding roads scarred the hills, and log and slash piles from timber clear-cut to make room for marijuana gardens were in plain view from the highway.

I asked my friend how people lived in these dumps, so much like the Hoovervilles from the Great Depression.
What did they do about electricity, water and sewage disposal?
He told me that some of the houses and of course the tents and ancient RVs have no electricity, water or sewage facilities.
So what do the grow workers do for a bathroom?
"You can imagine," he replied.

Now I could identify what created the different "look" in Hayfork:
Main Street and the Highway 3 margins of town were rife with growers' "shanty towns" and all of the resultant mess that went with them.
Why does this situation exist?
According to my friend, Hayfork citizens have been voicing concerns and calls to the county to address the numerous violations to existing county codes regarding building, environmental protection, sanitation, etc., to no avail.

We then drove through a couple of Hayfork's nicer subdivisions. Interspersed among the nice homes were other homes with, no surprise, the tell-tale fencing enclosing marijuana plots of anywhere from a half acre to an acre.

One house and grounds now looked like a prison compound. Enclosing it was a quarter mile of new cyclone fencing, covered with new tarp.
This effectively limited a view of the large outdoor grow inside the fence.
Posted along the fence were big signs:
"No Trespassing, Illegal to Enter this Property," as well as by other signs that warned "Beware: Security Dogs."
The grower had come from out of county, bought the land in the spring of 2010, put up the fence, and accomplished the grow.
I wondered where the money came from to fund such large investment in property and materials.

I also wondered how an operation of this size, supposedly a Proposition 215 (medical marijuana) grow, could exist in a subdivision.
But then I remembered.
Our county has no regulations restricting grows in residential neighborhoods.
Witness my own neighborhood problem with the commercial grower.
If we don't have regulations to deal with the explosion of marijuana grows in our county, we all may be facing Hayfork's situation in the near future.

As we drove on, I saw something that looked like huge circus tents.
I learned these were the processing tents for the marijuana harvest.
Surrounding them were five or more small tents where the harvest workers lived.
There was only one Porta-potty for the operation.
There were three large U-Haul trucks to take away the harvest, as well as the ubiquitous pit bull guard dogs.
And again, no electricity or water for the grow workers.
The tents were only 200 feet from the picture window of the neighbors' house, a beautiful new home.
I learned that the residents no longer take walks in the neighborhood because they have had pit bull attacks and threatening behavior from the growers who have moved in from out of county.

I was feeling pretty depressed with all I'd seen.
I could well understand the sadness in my friend's face as we passed so much ruination of the beautiful Hayfork valley.
I asked him what he planned to do.
He said he'd move if he could.
But all his money was tied up in his land and home.
"It's not a place to raise your kids, now.
And I hear that all the time from my friends and neighbors.
All I can say is, we have to raise awareness in the county about where we are headed with this marijuana problem.
I wish everyone could come and see what Hayfork is dealing with.
And this isn't even Trinity Pines."
Trinity Pines is a subdivision in Trinity County, about 45 minutes south of Hayfork.
It has been taken over by marijuana growers, who have intimidated many of the original residents into fleeing.
The Trinity Journal and the Sheriff's Report column regularly report the assaults, pit bull attacks, intimidation, gunpoint hold-ups, and unexplained deaths in the Pines.
The land has been destroyed by clear-cutting for marijuana grows.
My friend won't drive there anymore, saying, "You don't want to go in there without an armed police escort."

As I drove back over Hayfork Summit, I felt low.
I was glad to get back to the other side of the hill, to central Trinity County, where it looked so peaceful.

Most of us moved to Trinity County for the peace, safety and beauty of this area, for us and for our children.
We need to protect our Shangri-la by getting involved and making sure our county government knows we want them to take action on the explosion of commercial marijuana growing and the problems that come with it.
...Reddingdotcom.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

It sounds like their are many legitimate zoning issues that need addressing as this "industry" is not showing any inclination to self regulate itself...that being so, it then befalls to the zoning department by statutory default to resolve the outstanding community development issues.

"Be There or Be Square" as far as zoning hearings are concerned (those should be interesting) as the opposition (the local neighbors that are in compliance with all zoning laws) have the legal high ground here and are well within there rights to ask for relief from the zoning department.
I would think that the county already has many existing regulations already (Health and Sanitation...structures...proper land use...etc.) that can be enforced at will if so desired and the locals are now apparently desiring this.
Where I live if you refuse to play ball with zoning department the judge fines you AND throws you in jail for 10 days to enable meditative thought process's on the part of the non-compliant first time violator.


IMB

This bitch just mad cause she gowing indoor and them outdoor guys are just killing her profit margins

 

[JayTrinity]

I have a class A model citizen medi grow.
Every one loves me, respects me for making the property pretty much a winery of pot.

But down the road at Trinity Pines we have pretty much mad max beyond thunder dome.
Some growers had children living in fucking cars! No water, no sewer no nothing and Im lumped into that?? How? I pay employee tax! I do everything and some of us actually donate to the parks fund and other food for needy, yet there some road dogs out there that wreck it bad for the good.

I knew one guy tripped over a shotgun wire at Trinity Pines.

EDIT: Trinity Pines was ~Never~ a place that you would want to live in because it has absoutley no water, its an abandon sub division that was sold to pot heads by unscruplious Realtors. its a failed subdivision, its a waist land..

One of my trimmers, pretty much a bad ass dude with tattoos on his face standing 6 foot 2 would never go there and called it Kevlar village.
From what I gather, it a sub division that went bankrupt half way finished,

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

if med pot is actually taken away in all of cali than recreational use will pass on the next vote with out a doubt, so I'm not worried.

 

[dagnabit]

http://www.trinity-realestate.com/sh-3516.htm

it's cheap....