MASSIVE OUTDOOR GROW

[Julian]

Those numbers make my head spin Julian I wonder why you're growing such massive amounts year after year - I would think a couple of good years should secure you pretty well... but I guess it doesn't work that way...

Well, well talking mini's, you have to remember, numbers basically go out the window and mean really nothing at all.......at all...ie: extremely large numbers for extremely small spaces.....

Don't forget......all previous, and still even now......any overall op is far from in my pocket....so....which is lately what I am going for actually..(ie: opposite.....less people, more in my pocket, less headaches, etc.......)

In past, depending, might vary from me pocketing 50% (but still before expenses.....trimmers,etc), to sometimes even pocketing nothing at all....(a split op, smaller, that I decide to let them keep all at end), but then even sometimes my own little stuff that I pocket.....

Lot of the time also not about money anyway.....as I am sure for many....

Numbers are nothing.....just talked to someone who wants to do "something small"....500-600 right there......(again, pre sexed, and mini's, so...yeah, 600.....big deal, in the end 300, and then even mini's, and then my end only 150, and then of course all expenses are my end.....so....600 right there, call it 1/2 per, and, what, I get 5 p's from 600...I mean, not what I could call impressive..(but, I prep and instruct, my only tasks really, an extra 5....(20k.......4 hours cumulative work aside from trimming)....and, then, something like that probably trim myself...

Could be wrong, could get 2 per..(Making it 20 instead of 5 my end.....80k, etc....) Multiply that by a couple more here, couple more there, etc, etc, and adds up to something.....(have a spot where 2,000 going to go that's maybe 80% mine, so......)

And what I get out of it is only working a couple months a year instead of 24/7/365 on it, so....you know...everything relative...numbers with minis mean little in whole scheme of things.,......downfall as well as benefit is the numbers.....ie: "small" bust could be 1,000's....so...flip side is there, etc....

Pics earlier of almost 500 in sq. meter......not very impressive at all ( a sq. meter....)so....you know...is what it is.....

I'm to the point now if I can quickly and safely pull down 100 for myself (300k-400k),with minimal time and bullshit and help....that's fine....more than enough to keep me happy.......I've been living far too much exposed for too long.........far too much, for far too long......(24/7/365....May-Oct, bigger ones, etc)....

This is a welcome change.....only issue seems to be ability to produce larger numbers quickly more than ever before, so....

Interesting breakdown:
If M/F........16,000 would only be after sexed enough for 4 30' x 30's (if doubled up on spacing....)....again, not extremely large, not extremely impressive.....

(We're (read: I) am going to try one at 9 per sq. ft.......(pre sexed....).......of course, that overlaps.....so, not sure what final number would be, but, even a 10' x 10' might put you at 500-700.....(and, again, not an impressive plot by any means.....)

You know....I've done them many times, in many places, but now going for a higher degree of efficiency, (as don't have 10 other things going...they we're "important"...per se...but not everything......

Anyway....eh, numbers mean nothing...it's all in the context......(if 20,000 early big ones....I'd be a little more impressed, but, you know...mini's, eh....big deal ....) but, again, now, for me, whatever.....I think I am going to stick with them, and, going to be ready next May with femmed AF's also...and some new, nicer spots...(agricultural land, crops, etc...)

I'm definitely on a whole different level there as I believe most people posting in here are - looking at something like 100 plants going out this year (only 8 of these are sexed) so probably around 50 females if I get lucky. Might take some clones in a couple of weeks and put out an additional 30-40 late minis so all in all I'll be a happy camper pulling 5kg of buds - probably won't happen since I also need to reserve a couple of plots for seedmaking but that isn't gonna stop me from trying;p

Well, you know...everyone does what they do...all about what one has available...resources, budget..locations, and other stuff......and in the end, as you said....getting what you need out of it....

You know, as above, I mean, I take care of a lot of people...so....automatically I am trying to do 10 times more because want to, in the end, pocket what I need, want, etc.........and have been looking for a happy medium (ie: I get what I need, help and take care of others but cut down risk and exposure and bullshit, etc.....)

It's all about spots too...I always had quite a bit of resources and kinda still do...collected over the years, and so on, then new spots, and so on.....

Plus have always budgeted for loss which all should but of course up until last year suffered minimal, so, again....been lucky......and feel been pushing it, etc...so...

What you said "what you can, when you can" has become a bit of a mantra for me lately as I realized it's really that simple - both indoor and outdoor. Simply look at your current situation and whenever the need to do something really cool arises (try out new strains, hydro, going vertical etc. ) then push that thought away and provide your grow what it needs right now....

I think it is true........almost anyone has more options than they can even think of ...(I am sure 20 things I don't know I can do at this second....and others I know I can but for whatever reason not, and so on.....)

You know...almost anything, anywhere, anytime.......I probably won't even come close to doing all spots I can do......(if I had fems...I would.....fem af';s, I would, etc.....)

perhaps some clones meant for the next grow need a repot, maybe they need water, pots need rotating or reposition etc. All of those little things that were so fun when you first started out growing but have become a routine and then something to slack on later must be addressed before floating away on a dream.

My indoor grow is already starting to look a lot better and clones for the next round of 12/12 are right on schedule to go in with perfect size and growth momentum.

I don't know....it's kind of the little things which I like best.... (I personally like best the prepping to plant.....that's my favorite time.......I complain about placing seed and such, but, part of my favorite part...(well....I like cutting, and, nice stuff, I even like trimming ....did an experiment I think last season and got a fair amount done myself in 4 days...(all large solid stuff, so....was doing pretty good rate......)

I'm working on some indoor stuff myself now....think when out done and complete (last round planted) going to go directly into some ins for various things (1-2 for stock, etc....)

going with regular male and female may be a safer approach ive been thinking because if I make fems for all my stock how am I guaranteed something stable that is not gonna herm out on me even if its only 1 out of 500, its literally impossible to find them until its to late. I imagine if your buying from a seed company like female seeds they stress test all there mother plants for stability before making there fems.

1 out of every 100 not unrealistic, and not a big deal if your keeping an eye on it....I'm pretty sure I never had anything 100% solid......is what it is.....sure lot of people clone fems, works out fine......nothings perfect.....could have something stable, have environmental conditions, and so on and so on.....I like fems best.........M/F stock such a PITA with volume....especially with mini's and such.....(in my case, using what I have on hand...all should be good stock...might be some unstable things in there...just going to have to try to catch em, etc.,....)

 

[antimatter]

I kinda wonder what classifies as a hermi that would ruin an entire crop I have seen them at the very end of flower like 1 or 2 bananas hidden and even then would it really be that big of a deal, a full on one like you would get when making feminized seeds would definitely be a serious problem those things drop a lot of pollen and are quite obvious. Outdoors you don't have to worry about light leaks or power outages which can definitely set them off, so I kinda wonder what would trigger them outdoors, that wouldn't normally trigger a mf stock done outdoors. It takes weeks to make viable seed, but if you get one at the end it shouldn't be that big of deal, I worry about ones that might pop up early.

 

[blackone]

I kinda wonder what classifies as a hermi that would ruin an entire crop I have seen them at the very end of flower like 1 or 2 bananas hidden and even then would it really be that big of a deal, a full on one like you would get when making feminized seeds would definitely be a serious problem those things drop a lot of pollen and are quite obvious. Outdoors you don't have to worry about light leaks or power outages which can definitely set them off, so I kinda wonder what would trigger them outdoors, that wouldn't normally trigger a mf stock done outdoors. It takes weeks to make viable seed, but if you get one at the end it shouldn't be that big of deal, I worry about ones that might pop up early.

Yeah I doubt that late flower nanners are an issue - might give you an immature seed here and there but not a problem for yield and potency.
Also some "lesser hermies" or what you might call them express themselves by growing a few male preflowers but no male flower clusters. Probably not a big problem either.
And feminized / regular has been discussed many times - the fact remains that the act of feminizing a strain doesn't introduce hermaphrodism per se:
If you use herm genes then you're going to pass them on, no matter if you're making fem or regular seeds.
If you force a female to grow male flowers (STS, CS etc) and that "father" (And of course also the mother) isn't a herm under normal conditions then you should be safe. (Intersex genes could still be hidden - I don't know if these are dominant, recessive or more complex)

Obviously a lazy ass breeder using spontaneous herm plants to create fem seeds will be breeding ...herms.

This is actually touching on a train of thought I've been having lately - simply to just use herm seeds deliberately for low-maintenance grows. No need to get out there and weed out males - accept the lower yield and compensate by growing numbers
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And then turn everything into bubble, if your friends are into good hash

You'll always have serious amounts of seeds available making even more extensive cultivation feasible.

 

[antimatter]

Yeah I doubt that late flower nanners are an issue - might give you an immature seed here and there but not a problem for yield and potency.
Also some "lesser hermies" or what you might call them express themselves by growing a few male preflowers but no male flower clusters. Probably not a big problem either.
And feminized / regular has been discussed many times - the fact remains that the act of feminizing a strain doesn't introduce hermaphrodism per se:
If you use herm genes then you're going to pass them on, no matter if you're making fem or regular seeds.
If you force a female to grow male flowers (STS, CS etc) and that "father" (And of course also the mother) isn't a herm under normal conditions then you should be safe. (Intersex genes could still be hidden - I don't know if these are dominant, recessive or more complex)

Obviously a lazy ass breeder using spontaneous herm plants to create fem seeds will be breeding ...herms.

This is actually touching on a train of thought I've been having lately - simply to just use herm seeds deliberately for low-maintenance grows. No need to get out there and weed out males - accept the lower yield and compensate by growing numbers
...
And then turn everything into bubble, if your friends are into good hash

You'll always have serious amounts of seeds available making even more extensive cultivation feasible.

When making feminized seeds I don't just self plants I'll spray one and let that one pollinate all the other plants (seed plants not clones) to keep the inbreeding down and not use the seeds from the plant I sprayed. I hope just from the fact that im not using the seeds from the sprayed plant there is a good selection of genes. When buying feminized seeds you don't really know how they made there fems, they could of just took some clones from 1 plant and selfed them but then you would have alot of inbreeding going on and from what we have seen from the inbreeding of dogs we know better. I think quality feminized seeds would have a very broad selection of genes with as little inbreeding done as possible, but how does the genetic selection of regular seeds compare to quality feminized seeds, ive seen feminized seeds to have many phenos but are they diverse enough to keep out the hermies, runts and mutants just as well as regular.

 

[Julian]

I've bought a lot of fems and for the most part never had a pro serious enough to make me never want them again.



Like building ships in a bottle :
I actually have been wanting to share a lot of things, but figure will later, and, also will get some pics whenever.....been starting rounds and working far too much lately (ships in a bottle....hand placing extreme volume of seeds....and, in case anyone wondering, my approach with volume same as anyone else.....plates, paper towels....only difference is larger amount (entire plate filled....as soon as they crack, start placing them, one by one...."ship in a bottle" is I do all with the tip of a knife .....knife goes to plate, picks up one on the tip, then transferred to pellet and placed how I want....

Pics....nothing more than set up and germ and such right now, but do want to get a little picture or 2 in to display volume (which I find humorous due to peoples general reaction to numbers.....ie: here's 2,000, etc ......still placing and germing first round, so, really not underway yet........but of course will........)

I have also a lot of other notes, and will accumulate more with AF's.....will share later.....

Several things I am starting to feel more firm about, and, while many have many different opinions.......I feel the strength sometimes of running numbers is observations of population...

I might say things sometimes.....people might disagree....whatever...but when your noting the behavior of 5, 10,000, well.....(imagine a study of people........a study of 10 people vs. 5,000........etc....) I think anyone observing behavior and reactions to anything with such populations has a pretty valid basis for such.....

Have things right now starting to get lined up for next 6 months (the outs, prep, then in's following last round out, then AF's, several, and stock, etc.....)

Should have some thoughts and observations to share....some pics here and there....still lining up spots...changing spots, etc......but shortly, all full force...as things underway...first round out is about 20 days or less for me....people already working on spots, etc, so.....should be things coming .....

Hope all are well.........hope all are having good season....safe...rested.....enthusiastic ......

Note: Always working on multi acreage AF for next May,so........that is being worked on daily.....and I'm accepting nothing less than will be done...right now just looking for spot(s)....have 2 people lined up who want to get it done also...........1 is a last resort that I would rather not have anything to do with ...but, we'll see.....

My world penetrates deep into farm country, so...couple acres for 60 days nothing "impossible".....unachievable, etc.......

Just a matter of time till spot pops up.......just a matter of time.... (that one is what is keeping me going....right now just going through motions.....great season this year and I can bypass anyone else and do all myself if season good enough..... (which I hope......there's nothing more I love than rescinding offers made ....ie: I offer you 10-1 return quick.....you say you'll think about it......I get back to you tell you done, offer rescinded, thanks anyway .....)

(You know...that's instead of "Hey, fucko...what are you stupid?....fuck off" ......ie: and in the end always works out for better because I always offer returns and payouts much higher than I should to get done what I want .......)

 

[Guerilla Family]

Hell yes Julian! Bang em out man! Your a boss!
Im anxiously awaiting some pics! I about to quit my job in order to get the rest of my seeds and clones out.. The field corn is just breaking surface.. I am working a dead end, minimum wage job now, and I can pick up enough jobs on my own to support my family.. My job now is demanding too much of my time, and I am getting nothing in return! Im lucky to bring down $800/Month from my current job.. I think I know where I can make a lot more
Would u recommend quitting my job.. BTW my mind is made up
GFam

 

[hanz.progress]

Hi man, massive

 

[Julian]

Pictures.......

Here ya go........basically first 1,000.(Could be as low as 875, as high as 1050.....)

Is anything "learned" from it?.....Did that just enrich anyone's life in any way, shape or form?....

Does that "give" anyone anything?

That right there is a mandatory minimum of 20 yrs in Federal prison...

Was it worth seeing it?..........does anyone benefit in any way , shape, or form?....or do I only lose by doing so?...

I am fairly disappointed in people....and lately here only increases such...

One thousand.........

Doesn't look so impressive, now does it?....

Doesn't seem impossible either....now does it? (fraction of 1 out of 2 rooms....actually thinking I can max 6,000 per round....3k each room)

To those who have paid attention.....good for you....your the true "pro's and experts" to me...

When I contemplate what has been shared.......and what has been missed.........I sometimes see little reason to comment.....on anything.......to anyone....

I dislike sharing my time and effort with "talkers"........

I dislike sharing my time and effort with those who believe they know something, yet do not demonstrate even the most basic understanding of the endeavor....(They're the ones who leave me childlike little messages, absolutely absurd PM's claiming their power and fame and so on....the ones who consider 50-100+ such a monumental effort..the trolls who repeatedly come back name and name again....to waste my time...to waste the readers........(and consider themselves of course, of some status and position.......yet dedicate their free time to something worthless.....of no benefit to their family...their friends......nothing to the world around them.,........(a "winner" for sure ......)

To anyone who actually has a clue...it's far from....

One thousand..........aaahhhhhh......ohhhhhhhhhh......



Big fuckin deal.....

I'm not even close to being impressed......and neither should anyone else be

(a 5 x 5 space, or out anywhere from a 20 x 20 or a 100 x 100 if larger plants....which they might be if I get them out soon.......)

I see more and more lately just how widespread the "can't" population is.......here...life......

Whining.........crying....arguing..........

And then there's the increasingly small minority of those who just fuckin do it....

So.........to anyone reading this..........are you going to be the person who sits back in their armchair?.....using your "extensive knowledge" as an excuse to not do anything...not achieve anything?....

Now.....as with most things.....while it certainly does apply to growing, it also does to everything else....

Those "little things" that make up a persons personality sometimes have a tendency to completely dictate ones entire life.........

For those who know and understand what it's like to be someone who does things, and the difficulty of living in a world of people who gather and talk and never really do anything?.......well ...I'm sorry to hear .....

I know....I know.....most are thinking "I'm not like that!" ...the mirror is sometimes a scary thing, isn't it .....

I listened to a guy talk for hours yesterday about "what he wants"......

Took me 15 minutes to outline how he could have everything said within 6 months....

Can you guess what his response was?



Just one guess ...........

See.......this specific person is like most people......."extremely intelligent"...."hard worker"......."dedicated"....

Just some food for thought.....

Wanna see 5,000?.....how about 10,000?.......

And then what?

What are you going to do? today?...tomorrow?......

Few know what one can actually accomplish in a 24hr period........

Imagine a week...a month....a year........

And they go by, and by by.....and so few actually use them to accomplish anything.......just "waiting............

Rarely have I had the pleasure of meeting someone whose actions actually coincide with their words....desires.......who moves forward......who attempts to achieve something.....

Can take almost anything anyone could say........any desire one would have and break down the steps to take to have such....to accomplish such......

But of course "reality" seems to be little interest to anyone these days.......

I wonder if I mentioned earlier that within the past couple months actually bet someone that I could make them a new business in 24hrs, with absolutely no money that would start bringing in money the first day....

They responded by doubting such.......by analyzing why such couldn't be done.......and so on, and so on.....

God forbid though they take me up on it ....

The ferocity which people cling to that which is absurd is staggering...

They have no interest in learning what they know....what they have learned is not only of no benefit to themselves or anyone else around them, but wrong....(and no one wants to risk being wrong with the chance of changing their life for the better .....)

God forbid .....

 

[frostynugs420]

i really have to say, julian, i dont care what other people say IE not believing what you post, not honoring you advice. i have an image of you in my mind and you are like superman. i read this thread ALL OF THE TIME and i knowyour no a liar...your far too experienced to be "making anything up".
i just want to show my respects and appreciation for every word you have typed in this thread.
you realize that your "the man", right?
one question...how do you make actually putting seed in the pellets efficient? even 100 for me alone can take atleast an hour between watering in, and just putting the seed in.
any help for me, sensai?

 

[SilverSurfer_OG]

Just gotta do it! Yup,yup... i agree

(fraction of 1 out of 2 rooms....actually thinking I can max 6,000 per round....3k each room)

So thats 3000 plants in a room all finished or you keep weeding out the runts? How big pots you have em in? You still grow in coco/dirt indoors? Or am i confused...?

I plan on doubling my total amount of plants every season just to see if i can... and to live in abundance!

Cheers!

ps. Ever thought about moving to Australia? Biggest weed grower here, shipping his ganja around north Queensland in choppers only got 5 years!!

 

[Julian]

i really have to say, julian, i dont care what other people say IE not believing what you post, not honoring you advice. i have an image of you in my mind and you are like superman. i read this thread ALL OF THE TIME and i knowyour no a liar...your far too experienced to be "making anything up".
i just want to show my respects and appreciation for every word you have typed in this thread.
you realize that your "the man", right?

Well thank you man.....but, much more important than me is you...

Obviously seems been along for entire thread.....got quite a bit out of it.....

I'll tell you a story (true....but reflects people in general....applies anywhere, anytime, and actually funny )...

I'm a trader.......I love it.....do it well....have been for years....don't even remember how many years active.......maybe 600 (yes, 600) books under belt on subject.....(most worthless.....)

So....it's quite often I will find it mentioned somewhere.....(here we go ) and have all sorts and shapes and kinds of people launch into a big lecture on trading....

Now......I'm what most consider a pretty smart ass fuck sometimes , and, people who know me, with me, usually quiet down when such happens, because they know what's next ....

What's next is me usually waiting until they finish, with my nodding and "really?......wow.......Ohhhh, really"?......

When they finish it's usually my turn ......which is followed by how many trades have they done, what is their training, what is their level of knowledge and analysis, and their profits......

99.9% of the time.... know what their response is?

"Welll.....my brother..uncle...friend...I read this....read that, etc".......

Not one trade.......not one dime.......

But they feel more than "entitled" and "confident" to speak in a group with "authority" about "what they know".....

I remember a thread on OG.....everyone talking about partners.....talking and talking and warning and cautioning.......(I've got 25yrs of working with sometimes a couple dozen a yr...)

Most took great offense when asked who actually had ever done anything, and what was their story....(no one could share such, after all their commentary )......

I care much less than most think about what people think....

But, nah man.......if you learned something, drew something, etc...your the man .....and don't forget it ......

My little commentary above related to more than most know...not anger....even annoyance...more stating some things which on my mind at time of posting....(the pics thing always has kind of annoyed me......pic above.......right there....20 fuckin years mandatory minimums......and means nothing to anyone really......no one going to gain anything from it....I posted it more to make a point .....)

I'm glad though to know someone valued the time and the material that has been gone over......hard to find such for people who want to know such.....I do get slightly annoyed sometimes when overlooked..(blindly) by "extremely intelligent professionals" ....

Eh, you know...like everything....people will take the above 100 different ways....(which may be completely off base most likely .....)

one question...how do you make actually putting seed in the pellets efficient? even 100 for me alone can take atleast an hour between watering in, and just putting the seed in.

Well my friend.........I see nothing efficient about the process....

I hydrate certain number.....then have more prepped in case I am wrong...ie: I do everything by "eye".....so......let's say I throw what I think is about 1,000 on a plate.....and hydrate about that number........and, I start going through.....

Now....my specific problem arises from me "fluffing" the pellets......which adds a larger number (I could say adds 20% to every container....ie: if you line up 50......when you fluff and place then tight, might run 50 and then final at 90, etc.....(when rolled longer and thinner......they of course end up with a smaller footprint, so........again.....I think the 10 x 20's (1020 trays) I might arrange 50-60....but after placing seed and getting more, final might be 90....(I think average is 78-84......being either 6 wide by 14-14 rows long for each tray.........which to me is not bad...almost 100 per small tray....which is always a target just to keep numbers even......)

Might be "more efficient" to hydrate (quick and easy..arrange and hydrate) than just place each seed in each pellet, but, then what about germ rates and such, moisture issues, and so on.......

To me, waiting till all cracked gives me basically 100% pellet to seedling....very few have to be replaced, watched, and all coming up....pic shows...all done within about a day or so...first ones all up, others coming, others on the way...2 days later I'm looking at, again...100% used, germed, going.......

Plus I like to place them "just right", so.......certain position (tap down), certain placement (specific distance based on how cracked from top....ie: so they will be as little top heavy as possible, and so on..........)

I personally set up on tables and such so can watch news, movies and so on.....and just do it on autopilot....lately...documentaries, etc....so, you know...getting lots of work done, and learning new things every second.....

Yeah...one of my least favorite tasks......extremely monotonous.....so...do all I can to make the time pass......doing a lot of such work lately.....fuckin enough to make your brain go numb between all tasks .....and I'm pretty fanatical, so.....I don't really take "breaks" and such......I commit till done for the most part...depends how long I budget to be at veg spot.....(but, again....when all cracked and ready to go...well, it's done...you blow off a day or more....too late (per se....taps start extending too far, fuck up my placement and such........I plant when cracked.....no taps/tails, etc.....that way I know pretty much how to place to have them come up right...)

Actually......probably the most labor intensive task aside from trimming,so..(another thing I tell myself to get through it......planting close...but I enjoy planting, work goes much faster...ie: less precise......I do it all with tip of knife, so....planting...less "surgical" required.....more straightforward.........

I like planting.....always have....just takes a toll on knees and back (for me).....but then again, that's volume numbers, so......we'll see.....I have couple people trying to plant exactly how I like to........we'll see how that works out this year.......

So thats 3000 plants in a room all finished or you keep weeding out the runts? How big pots you have em in? You still grow in coco/dirt indoors? Or am i confused...?

That is 1 room or 2 identical rooms, pic above is 875-1050, and about 30-40% of room, so......I always estimate 2,000 per room but think I might be able to hit 3,000 per room these rounds.

Medium is currently medium sized pellets, but further expended (slightly smaller footprint, but about 2.5 the usual height. Note: I turn/twist between fingers to expend net, pellet....also makes peat a little "looser" which I think makes initial penetration of roots quicker.....(I can show pics 10 days from seed with 6-7" of roots outside pellet....As earlier, I do extremely close under 1k's with mild feed straight from seed under those conditions....

Proximity to light(s) dried medium a little quicker, so, from start,m usually fed twice a day.....

As above...I plant/place pretty careful, so....no false starts/runts per se for the most part.....

Runts I judge a little later (10 days or so in comparison to others, and then go by health and space and such to determine whether to keep or not.....

I'm sure not the only one to have "runts" become extremely nice plants, so......I really never "get rid" of anything for the most part...(once out, if a problem, can always be replaced later and holes used over again, etc, which I've always done when working with males...ie: male comes out, another right in it's place.......)

I plan on doubling my total amount of plants every season just to see if i can... and to live in abundance!

ps. Ever thought about moving to Australia? Biggest weed grower here, shipping his ganja around north Queensland in choppers only got 5 years!!

Serious family issues keep me where I am in the end......once that/those situations change....I really can't say where in the world I will end up....almost certain will not be in US.....(Have talked Cali many times with people....have talked Spain.....south of US border/North of Columbia....Asia is some of my most favorite places on earth.....or could just be New Mexico.......I'm always looking...have been quite a while.....(will depend on what I have to work with($), and of course opportunities...and what I would "enjoy" most......

Of course you can..(well, again.......in the end, the real determining factor on ones numbers is the locations available......you know.....just have to have somewhere for them to go......)

You know....approach changes all the time...we plan, re plan, readjust, change things midstream, etc,.......

As said earlier, and now many of my newest people reciting....I've almost never done a batch which didn't end with the phrase: "You were right...we should have/could have done more"



Almost never.....

First thing I tell anyone I do op(s) with....first thing.....and a bet they will say at end of season......

You know.......it gets spread out, so.....when talking many people involved......well, I mean, you need it to end up good after all spread out ...

 

[Julian]

i really have to say, julian, i dont care what other people say IE not believing what you post, not honoring you advice. i have an image of you in my mind and you are like superman. i read this thread ALL OF THE TIME and i knowyour no a liar...your far too experienced to be "making anything up".
i just want to show my respects and appreciation for every word you have typed in this thread.
you realize that your "the man", right?

Well thank you man.....but, much more important than me is you...

Obviously seems been along for entire thread.....got quite a bit out of it.....

I'll tell you a story (true....but reflects people in general....applies anywhere, anytime, and actually funny )...

I'm a trader.......I love it.....do it well....have been for years....don't even remember how many years active.......maybe 600 (yes, 600) books under belt on subject.....(most worthless.....)

So....it's quite often I will find it mentioned somewhere.....(here we go ) and have all sorts and shapes and kinds of people launch into a big lecture on trading....

Now......I'm what most consider a pretty smart ass fuck sometimes , and, people who know me, with me, usually quiet down when such happens, because they know what's next ....

What's next is me usually waiting until they finish, with my nodding and "really?......wow.......Ohhhh, really"?......

When they finish it's usually my turn ......which is followed by how many trades have they done, what is their training, what is their level of knowledge and analysis, and their profits......

99.9% of the time.... know what their response is?

"Welll.....my brother..uncle...friend...I read this....read that, etc".......

Not one trade.......not one dime.......

But they feel more than "entitled" and "confident" to speak in a group with "authority" about "what they know".....

I remember a thread on OG.....everyone talking about partners.....talking and talking and warning and cautioning.......

Most took great offense when asked who actually had ever done anything, and what was their story....(no one could share such, after all their commentary )......

I care much less than most think about what people think.... (In the time it takes someone to make a new handle, I do another 1,000 , so............so much for that ....it amuses me )

But, nah man.......if you learned something, drew something, etc...your the man .....and don't forget it ......

My little commentary above related to more than most know...not anger....even annoyance...more stating some things which on my mind at time of posting....(the pics thing always has kind of annoyed me......pic above.......right there....20 fuckin years mandatory minimums......and means nothing to anyone really......no one going to gain anything from it....I posted it more to make a point .....)

I'm glad though to know someone valued the time and the material that has been gone over......hard to find such for people who want to know such.....I do get slightly annoyed sometimes when overlooked..(blindly) by "extremely intelligent professionals" ....

Eh, you know...like everything....people will take the above 100 different ways....(which may be completely off base most likely .....)

one question...how do you make actually putting seed in the pellets efficient? even 100 for me alone can take atleast an hour between watering in, and just putting the seed in.

Well my friend.........I see nothing efficient about the process....

I hydrate certain number.....then have more prepped in case I am wrong...ie: I do everything by "eye".....so......let's say I throw what I think is about 1,000 on a plate.....and hydrate about that number........and, I start going through.....

Now....my specific problem arises from me "fluffing" the pellets......which adds a larger number (I could say adds 20% to every container....ie: if you line up 50......when you fluff and place then tight, might run 50 and then final at 90, etc.....(when rolled longer and thinner......they of course end up with a smaller footprint, so........again.....I think the 10 x 20's (1020 trays) I might arrange 50-60....but after placing seed and getting more, final might be 90....(I think average is 78-84......being either 6 wide by 14-14 rows long for each tray.........which to me is not bad...almost 100 per small tray....which is always a target just to keep numbers even......)

Might be "more efficient" to hydrate (quick and easy..arrange and hydrate) than just place each seed in each pellet, but, then what about germ rates and such, moisture issues, and so on.......

To me, waiting till all cracked gives me basically 100% pellet to seedling....very few have to be replaced, watched, and all coming up....pic shows...all done within about a day or so...first ones all up, others coming, others on the way...2 days later I'm looking at, again...100% used, germed, going.......

Plus I like to place them "just right", so.......certain position (tap down), certain placement (specific distance based on how cracked from top....ie: so they will be as little top heavy as possible, and so on..........)

I personally set up on tables and such so can watch news, movies and so on.....and just do it on autopilot....lately...documentaries, etc....so, you know...getting lots of work done, and learning new things every second.....

Yeah...one of my least favorite tasks......extremely monotonous.....so...do all I can to make the time pass......doing a lot of such work lately.....fuckin enough to make your brain go numb between all tasks .....and I'm pretty fanatical, so.....I don't really take "breaks" and such......I commit till done for the most part...depends how long I budget to be at veg spot.....(but, again....when all cracked and ready to go...well, it's done...you blow off a day or more....too late (per se....taps start extending too far, fuck up my placement and such........I plant when cracked.....no taps/tails, etc.....that way I know pretty much how to place to have them come up right...)

Actually......probably the most labor intensive task aside from trimming,so..(another thing I tell myself to get through it......planting close...but I enjoy planting, work goes much faster...ie: less precise......I do it all with tip of knife, so....planting...less "surgical" required.....more straightforward.........

I like planting.....always have....just takes a toll on knees and back (for me).....but then again, that's volume numbers, so......we'll see.....I have couple people trying to plant exactly how I like to........we'll see how that works out this year.......

 

[randude101]

Rough day man?

If you don't want to post a photo, don't.

You don't have to prove anything to anyone.

Write. If someone wants to read it they will and if not they won't. 99% that do read will not take it to the next step. If so, they would be showing their pictures.

I get scared just reading this thread sometimes. Kind of scary like a cop that pops me will think they could tie me into some kind of conspiracy.

 

[Julian]

Rough day man?

If you don't want to post a photo, don't.

You don't have to prove anything to anyone.

Not at all man, not at all....

Pic...just making a point .....I do that sometimes ...

I get scared just reading this thread sometimes. Kind of scary like a cop that pops me will think they could tie me into some kind of conspiracy.

This is a scary thread.

Many topics, fairly in depth, covering material that shouldn't be....

Just making some points...relaying some thoughts.........

 

[Guerilla Family]

Honestly Julian. I have been thinking about quitting my job, and using the remainder of the season to go high gear.. I have been taking cuttings from my mothers and rooting since early May. Im not sure on exact numbers, but I exceeded my goal of 200 cuttings about 3 weeks ago.. I still have plenty of seed of all different strains to work with, and Im still rooting cuttings.. Not at such a fast pace anymore, but I am still taking clones..
I have refocused my attention on my seeds. I have various packs of early and late strains, as well as a mason jar nearly full of decent bag seed (high-mids).. Better than mids, but not quite highgrade. I still have many outdoors spots that I could fill, and Im finding new spots everyday.
I didnt spray for bugs or use chicken cages, but the few patches I have checked recently have taken hold, and are growing fast, unscathed. I think I will have a nice turn out.. I have a lot of 7-8 week strains, that will be going into the cornfields as soon as the threat of pesticide spraying has passed, and the corn is high enough as well.. So between the corn fields, and the forest/field grows, Im looking to have the best turn out since I started growing outdoors 9 years ago.
Im having trouble getting everything out, and started at a decent time. Im super busy between work, and raising my little girl.. I work late, than come home to put the girl to bed, and wake up and repeat.. I manage to squeeze in about 2 days/week for planting.. My job is a deadend, and im being paid minimum wage. I have recently been thinking, I could drop the job, and just plant at my best pace. I believe it will pay off in the fall.. I can pick up a few small jobs here and there, to pay the bills for now, plus I wont be forced to work 40 hours a week. This will give me atleast 3X as much time for planting and prepping my spots. Thus Allowing me to get a hell of a lot more plants out..

I was wondering what your take was on this.. Obviously, you dont know the entire situation, and I did a terrible job trying to explain. I have weighed it all out, and I think I have made up my mind. Life is short, and I refuse to work for someone else my whole life. Im ready to make some money for myself.

BTW, I am also dabbling in trading, and I have been trying to educate myself the best I can on day trading. I have been running a simulated profile at Updown.com and doing quite well. I plan on starting my own chimney business in the next year or so.. Im just lacking capital to buy a work truck, and the small amount that it will take to purchase all of my tools.. This grow will give me the jump start I need, to fulfill all of my dreams..

GFam

 

[Julian]

Well......my position on similar throughout thread....

What would I say?......

I'd say realize and appreciate every moment with child....understand if you make a mistake, you could lose them..(helps keep perspective, make one more careful than one might normally be), and as far as work and business,as always, do both/all...

Relates to above actually, and earlier, and other things, which again, I have actually had discussions with people about lately.....ie: people seem so adverse to serious work..(what do I mean as "serious".....means giving up sleeping...giving up relaxing....meaning a couple free minutes to be online...news, here....a luxury......"relaxing"............)

Lot of people miss the point......which is?

The point of such is devoting and committing oneself to a short period of time 100%, so they may change their future...

Business?......I'll give you advise right now which virtually guarantee's success of almost any service related business: (I've used many times....works 100% of the time...)

1.Quote fair.
2. Return calls, be professional, perform work as stated, on time, every time.
3. Leave job as clean as when came. Be polite.

(I started a _______ company couple years ago..(several...) pocketed 5k the first 30 days....in my pocket.....took me maybe 10hrs that month.....started after family member tried to get a job done.......10 people came through.....They were even willing to pay more just to get it done...they couldn't....people didn't show up to take a look at job.....some showed up but never got back to them.......some came with ridiculous quotes..........10 people and they were willing to pay more and they didn't get the job done...(I stepped in, said fuck that, I'll get someone in tomorrow...business was born......)

Can be carried over anytime, anywhere, any business......

Why?

Most business's are not operated by businessmen.

Simple as that.

I say tough it out, do all....you'll be a more well rounded person for it.....builds character.....(wow...not a phrase that should be said by someone my age )

(and in the process remove need to grow.....ie: do it because you have to...use benefits to be able to do when you want to.......very hard to do...been there....)

Lucky on the patch(s).....I've had many similar...(wasn't done right first time....turned out okay.......was talking to someone this week about some last year.....thought gone...beyond recovery....ended up the largest plants he said he'd ever seen in his life.....)

Lot of people talk about "working for someone else".....

Most do.....in the end, most have to......all depends who you work for...what you do...if you love what you do......etc....

Hope you do have best year ever (hope all do)....

Do what you have to...and good luck.

Edit: If interested, or for anyone interested......been through this a lot lately:
Business note:
Invoices pads, cards, shirts and hats (all with designed logo, printer can design or find someone else).....if you shop and do minimum runs......can do all the above for ....eh.....maybe under $1,000.....(bank account, credit card, merchant services almost nothing either....)

(Polo's with logo and hats is as far as I go with "uniforms", but, makes a big difference and as long as pretty cool....guys don't seem to mind too much...)

Go a little farther and have truck done, number, web site, etc, etc.....

If well versed, and know your tasks...can do all within a single day...(yeah, sure..more for delivery and design, but.....9am-5pm....I can set up an entire business in 1 business day....)

Good luck.

 

[Guerilla Family]

I am a dedicated and hardworking guy.. trust me. I am more than willing to go work a 9-5, come home, do dinner, put the baby to bed, and go out on a midnight mission digging and planting. Thing is, if my girl woke up and seen I was out, she would flip. It wouldnt go over well.. Thats why I need more time during the day. While she is working perhaps. Thats the only way I can go at this. She knows I grow, and she isnt into it at all. But she knows I will do, what I will do. She has seen the rewards from a successful harvest, so she is somewhat partial. She really wouldnt like me to do it, but I can hear that hint of enthusiasm in her voice when we talk about it. Her biggest thing is she doesnt want me to be selling it.
I thought that over, and I there is always a way around that. Im not the type to sell Nickels and dimes. Smallest I will sell is in Oz, and I would rather go larger. I have hired guys to push my stash for me at times, but that always cuts heavily into profits. Not to mention, everyonce in a while u get that guy, that is just smoking the shit, and the only weight he's moving is what he loads into his pipe
MAn so much to do, so little time. I am going out this weekend to pick up a hedge trimmer, and Im going to run some ads, and flyers..stick a few business cards, and see if I cant get some trimming jobs. Quick easy loot, and I actually love trimming hedges.. Im an entrepreneur, and skilled in many fields.. There's definetely plenty of work out there for me to keep busy, and money in my pockets. My current job consumes too much time, and its barely paying the bills.. Something's gotta give.. I hope Im making the right decisions and making the right steps. Only time will tell.. Thanks for everything Julian, and keep the advice flowing. My ears are always open.

GFam

 

[Julian]

I'm going to say something...and your probably not going to like it, but it's meant in no other way than it is......

Lot of people think I am a little too harsh on people often.....but, rest assured....I started long ago turning that brutal sense of observation upon myself.....(goes to self awareness, changing things, etc......)

I am a dedicated and hardworking guy.. trust me.

These days.....actually for a while now....I am automatically skeptical when I hear that.....

Why?

Because I am sure everyone, and possibly you yourself have heard that basically from everyone you have ever met or talked to...

I've heard the same from every person who ever disappointed me.......

I've heard the same from every person whose ever been "fired"....

(as talking to someone the other day, heard the same, told him the same.....asked him if every person who has ever failed or disappointed hi has said the same.....)

Second question:
Is that enough?.....(answer is of course not.....many people are....)

Anyway.......just playing devils advocate...which is usually the only way to truth...(for ourselves......)

I am more than willing to go work a 9-5, come home, do dinner, put the baby to bed, and go out on a midnight mission digging and planting.

Why not go out in morning before work...(free health club), then go to work, then work on business after work and family stuff.....

Thing is, if my girl woke up and seen I was out, she would flip. It wouldnt go over well.. Thats why I need more time during the day. While she is working perhaps. Thats the only way I can go at this. She knows I grow, and she isnt into it at all. But she knows I will do, what I will do. She has seen the rewards from a successful harvest, so she is somewhat partial. She really wouldnt like me to do it, but I can hear that hint of enthusiasm in her voice when we talk about it. Her biggest thing is she doesnt want me to be selling it.

So why not have her take care of child at night while doing 2nd business, morning while you run out to do things, and so on and so on......

In the end....you just "do what you gotta do"......however possible......

If means no sleep for the season?...well......I have/do.

All that has to fit your own life....I've basically kept everything questionable from almost any and every woman in my life3, for my entire life....

Yeah...they knew something..(cause hard not to notice things....and for the most part I don't mess with any women who indulge/overindulge..(any drugs?, absolutely not....drinking?...most "average" people do now and then, etc....)

Do what you gotta do......is what it is......

MAn so much to do, so little time. I am going out this weekend to pick up a hedge trimmer, and Im going to run some ads, and flyers..stick a few business cards, and see if I cant get some trimming jobs. Quick easy loot, and I actually love trimming hedges.. Im an entrepreneur, and skilled in many fields.. There's definetely plenty of work out there for me to keep busy, and money in my pockets. My current job consumes too much time, and its barely paying the bills.. Something's gotta give.. I hope Im making the right decisions and making the right steps. Only time will tell.. Thanks for everything Julian, and keep the advice flowing. My ears are always open.

Time depends on how you use it......as above...if one focused, and minimal fucking around......one can actually accomplish enormous amounts of work in even a single day....

See.....the problem with working for ones self....is, well......your responsible for everything ....for some...an easy transition...for others...well, many fail........

You don't feel like it?

Too fuckin bad.

You'd rather do it tomorrow?

How about now instead.

All that/this stuff depends really on who one is......who they are...how they function within the world....how they view many things.....

I know so very few people who are "now" people......

Have a guy I was talking to last week.......started giving me the "well, I'm available, unless a family problem or something"....

....

Really?........

What did I tell him? :
1. What good are you going to be to your family if you blow off things which cost you the nest 12 months or more income?
2. "Problems"?...... I'm no stranger....I know how it works...

They're still there tomorrow....

No one can tell me "well, I can't spare several hours to work because I have a problem......."

The problem will still be there in a couple hours, and you'll be better equipped to handle those "problems" in the future after completing work and making money.........

So I told him no. Unacceptable.

This is not a game where most of the time there is a "tomorrow"...

Example:
What if things are ready to go out...rains on the way....and missed?....Well, as earlier...what if no rains then for 2 weeks...things ready to go....what happens to schedules...my schedules...other peoples and spots schedules.....

That just basically fucked up the entire scheduling for season....

And so on and so on.......

You know....people forget the actual amount of work and cumulative hours in this game......

"That took me a week to do"........

NNNNnoooooooo.......

You started a week ago...spent 2 hrs the first day...skipped the next 2...then spent an hour the next 3 days....

that's 5 hrs...not a week (referencing perspective)

Just an example of course..........

I can share here....I can share in life......but in the end....everything fllas to who and what a person is and how they view the world....

What's "possible"?

Not much that isn't....

Well.......then that means most should be accomplishing and achieving much more, shouldn't they?

Anyway...........

You know your situation....you know your problem areas....you know what needs to be addressed........

Do it man......good luck.....(and in the process separate yourself from those who don't, won't, can't......)

Lot of people accomplish many things.....a lot don't......

Very little separates the 2 .....ie: Both "hardworking"......both "intelligent".......sometimes the most minor thing is the difference between 2 such people..("sense of purpose"......commitment.....that "extra push".......)

I'm certainly not the strongest I know.....(But I do more heavy work than them....and work far beyond when they have "had enough".....)

Hmmm......go figure .....

 

[Julian]

Here's some more fun.....

"Smart"..."strong"..."hardworking" guy....

Has had almost 2 weeks already to till and prep a 20' x 20' space.....(I supplied ready mix, instructions on what to do, etc.....)

Basically his only task (his land) assigned for now....(rest of season maybe 3-4hrs of work....)

Hasn't done it........rains now passed him...(till, prep, let rains start to work on it....)

Not done.

2 hrs work. 2 weeks to do it.

Not done.........(those 2hrs probably in the end averaging out to $10,000 an hour......smaller guy....I re3commended he hold it longer, do smaller for little more (400 a z, 6400 a p) to last him until next season...(or I could dump all for him, he would have none, his people would have none, and he'd pocket 3k per...)

Not done.....

Next candidate to get dropped.....(maybe will wait till he does it to let him know forget it .....)

 

[antimatter]

Id just like to add that if you have a family to support and are thinking about giving up your job for growing pot, be aware that outdoor growers work very very hard and often even the most experienced loose out big or even worse loose it all even if its the best season all the way through, remember when all is said and done you have to move it and that requires the right connections can you front a middle man 20-30 lbs and trust them not to take your money? if not you may have a problem. Not to mention if you live in an area with draconian laws you might want to consider moving to an area that won't give you 20 years mandatory for a 1000 small seedlings, its very easy to mess this stuff up and nothing is guaranteed no matter how hardworking you are. Can your nerves handle it, can you irrigate all your plants if your weather/spot doesn't permit?