Mars Hydro LED
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lol,right? i wish i had time to read those novels of post!
Must mean I am the only one reading them!
unclefishstick Short story is: because FC/FC-E panels are good, efficient panels with decent prices, you have many of them and you grow a lot of buds, so you are busy trimming. Instead of reading long posts. Short enaugh?
NIKT
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This is called trolling, probably. It's all about killing time in the open forum. Nothing more. I suspect that I write in such a language that it arouses a lot of fun. A panel like a panel, the price is not bad for the market realities. Economical solution straight out of the box. Technical not technical. it depends on who likes what and what suits whom. I like numbers and charts: photos of plants too, especially nice and colorful. There is nothing to stick to this company, I would find one that I can. Technical questions of someone who is amazed by the figures in the picture. What's the problem ?? if there is any. Slightly different from the standard exchange of views on threads of this type usually present.
everyone chooses the light source that suits them for any reason. Economics and cost analysis is probably the best method. When something is good, or good enough for ... point of view. Some still believe that HPS is a very good option, especially in winter. Others like CMH, others are looking for something special and unique. And there are also quite a few people who only like DIY. I like the data, and I am very sorry that producers do not provide full lab reports. Files with light distribution .. many things that seem rather obvious in the case of non-plant lighting, let's say. I am asking here .. and I am rather 100% ignored by the representative of the company to which I have nothing.
all about needs ....
NIKT
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your point exacly.
I, for example, need data, and I know that I will not get the data that interest me. At my own expense, purchase of a panel + laboratory tests in an accredited laboratory specializing in. There is no such thing on the manufacturer's website. I also do not count on the fact that I will get anything other than marketing in a specific form here.
Some people do "it" so before making the decision to buy large amounts of equipment. I used to talk to someone who wanted to equip greenhouses, and finally checked over a dozen ready-made solutions. Such a large project that he received equipment for testing from some distributors.
not relevant. I think the topic is basically finished, at least in technical form.
After all, it is for marketing, advertising, but not for asking technical questions beyond that what is on the manufacturer's website..
And these strange numbers, entered into a spreadsheet without even a real desire to check them, numbers next to numbers of no specific competitor brand, showing that we are better than. The measuring situation ??, the room, the walls, the figures are terribly almost mirror-like. As far as I remember. Centering panel and setting it horizontally vertical ? with measuring devices ? Joke, there is no point in analyzing such data in any way.
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Sampas92
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NIKT i like the way you make me see the thing with another perspective, regarding the spectrum and marketing.
Btw the gr/w with my sils was low, autos, never growin before etc etc but like you said, i and others went to them because how cheap and easy is to make, i never get high expectations, just something that could grow.
i like to read post like yours, always learning something here and there.
Peace
Btw the gr/w with my sils was low, autos, never growin before etc etc but like you said, i and others went to them because how cheap and easy is to make, i never get high expectations, just something that could grow.
i like to read post like yours, always learning something here and there.
Peace
Since the ts is 2 boards togheter i guess like someone said it, a separation between them.
i dont see you guys changing the chips to samsung since these lines are for "amateurs", bridgelux is cheap but i think mars would get trouble to sell them in europe since i guess bridgelux doesnt export?(not sure on this but i remember reading it) and samsung or meanwell drivers i guess would push the price up
Also i know is not what is going to happen but i dont know why the light companies dont use 4k spectrum and complete it with red and blue diodes..
Lot of people think that the green light is useless but is not.
Both green and red are the ones that goes deeper in the leaf, also the plants dont push themselfs so hard since the blue and the red is a bit lower.
For example i growed with sils, and i choose the philips ones because i can see the spectrum chart, and the difference on the reds and blues of the 4k ones compared to the 65k or 27k were a bit lower, but just a bit, on the other hand the green was low on 65k and 27k
the thing is i used 6 sils, 3 4k and 3 27k all at the same distance, and the tops directly under the 4k showed less deficiencys than the ones unde the 27k, both growed similar in everyfashion, but while i couldnt push the girls more with 27k i could do it with 4k, more wattage, but also more light without so much defficiencys.
Why not a 4k base light, with added reds and blue s to complete it
I bet the changes would be a new slimmer lighter design with a bit of better spread
Peace
The chip of FC series is samsung. And the chip of FCE series is bridgelux. On the same power light, we used more bridgelux chips to let the light become more efficient.
For example, for FC6500, the chips quantity is 2688. For FCE-6500, the chips quantity is 3546.
NIKT
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It all depends on how you approach expectations. For e27 lamps the best high efficiency types can be 2.2 umol/J. It is also modifiable when the power supply is not built into mcpcb. Much better cooling and after connecting two boards to one power supply, you can even increase the efficiency and durability of which they do not have in the version without modification. A toy for hobbyists, cheap simple and rather quite good with the possibility of achieving better uniformity of light than in the case of some ready-made solutions. You can get closer to the efficiency achieved by ready-made panels. Maybe not to those that have 2.7 umol/J in the declaration
, but to the lower segment of the market where it is actually still around 2.3.As long as you are a hobbyist who likes such solutions. The costs are not high, at least in my country where very efficient E27 lamps can be obtained cheaply. $ 65 in the case of composing a 170 W panel with an efficiency of about 2.3, plus a bit of aluminum for the heat sink, this increases the costs, unfortunately. Maybe one in 100 e27 users will decide to do something like this, maybe .... People rather expect ready-made solutions out of the box.
Regards.
But you do realize that most growers don't have the needed knowledge, tools and time to do that level of diy, right? And without those, it can be even dangerous to try. So a relatively cheap panel that does the same as some labor intensive diy, for a good price, is a decent option for most.
Hope you understand people are not against your ideea, they just chose based on diferent factors. Most won't do that kind of diy. Some don't even have the time to do it.
Hope you understand people are not against your ideea, they just chose based on diferent factors. Most won't do that kind of diy. Some don't even have the time to do it.
NIKT
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I am in full contact with reality.
In the case of ready-made bricks, it is not. There are a lot of stores with almost ready-made solutions. mcpcb with lm301 diodes are not difficult to buy. Often the prices are not very favorable, unfortunately. But truly DIY, tailored, built for a specific room, can now be simply assembled from ready-made elements. It is not a problem. It is worth knowing what is expected, but it is not something that requires special knowledge or skills.
I rather understand people. I get the feeling that my freak is often not received as it should be. Simply curiosity and a love of DIY idea. A little bit of a joke of this kind.
I don't expect, as I've already mentioned, that producers will suddenly start writing about how it really works and why something is done. As long as they have an interest in it, yes. This is aimed at the average consumer who doesn't expect technical data. Or rather, he sees more or less the same descriptions, 3000K diodes are for 5000K for samoething... after this 660 nm for that. UV additions or a larger IR additive have some importance, but in reality, when 660 nm diodes are in decorative amount and they are not diodes with very good energy efficiency, it is simply ... the habit to add so that they are. To make it different spectrally to the floodlight for the building 4000K 70 CRI. The realities are that the old TS series emitted something like that and that's it.
For 95% of people, a ready-made solution is what they choose. It was and will be so, now you can even get the impression that people are less and less willing to do something on their own.
the quality and prices of the finished solutions have also changed significantly. FC E4800, for example, the price at the manufacturer is very favorable for the quality of the product. Adjustable with good light distribution. A completely different class than TS. A very large number of LEDs at low currents. Despite the fact that it is done in order to achieve high efficiency from cheaper leds, it is a very interesting solution, low-fasted LEDs can simply be more durable.
Using the combined elements of such an efficient panel with smooth power control is impossible to build. The power will be higher, the efficiency below, the only thing you can fight for is a smaller optimal distance from the plants and the resulting loss of light on reflections from the walls. And that's it. You can use the Chinese mcpcb with the lm301h to do something with similar power and efficiency for work below 30 cm, but the total costs will be similar, unfortunately.
Of course, we are talking about the price at the manufacturer, for me it may be a bit more expensive.
Doesn't matter.
It all started with what I took as a joke. This =>
That will be one of the upgradations but not the biggest one. May i know your idea of how many pcs 660nm chips needing to be added for TSW2000?
I take it as a joke. Because here it is rather like this. The previous generation used diodes of a lower class than the current one. Most likely the 660 nm LEDs were just really bad and it wasn't worth adding. Another option is cost, maybe something in between. The number of IR LEDs added to these panels was negligible and there was no such addition on the resulting spectrum at all. Such a small contribution left no trace of the SPD.
Panels built in the most simple way, MCPCB with LEDs + casing what looks like a baking sheet. With protruding slightly inclined curls to guide the light. Light distribution poor. Construction optimized for production costs, as well as spider farmer panels, for example, but based on very cheap components, which, combined with very low production costs in China and a rather small amount of work to put it together, allowed to sell it cheaper than competition. Cheaply built, probably a very good profit for the manufacturer.
The current generation has more efficient LEDs, this time with a higher CRI, which in my opinion does not really change much + their distribution is not even, which improves the light distribution a bit. They get a higher flux per lamp, better illumination of the edges of the room while leaving more or less the same size and maintaining production costs in similar ranges. This is how I see it
. The power supplies are still cheap, not of the highest class. Something good only as much as it needs to be. Simply increasing the size of the panel could make quite a profit here. at least from my very specific point of view.Point of view depends on the point of sitting. It is not a problem to design something that will be better, even to have exactly the same LEDs at your disposal. Simple increase in their number and size of the panel + designing the distribution of LEDs on the mcpcb so as to obtain better light distribution at slightly smaller distances from the plants. In the era of computer-aided design, it can even be done taking into account the characteristics of the reflections in a given room - covering the walls - the way of reflection. Research facilities, engineers and there is.
Here, my opinion is as in the case of everything that is built, the product is made so that it is as cheap to produce as possible with the assumed quality.
Anything.
Stuffing the thread with spam.Regards.
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I think here you overestimate the knowledge and willingness of people a bit. We live in a world where most people don't know how to change a bulb or a mains socket or a light switch in their home. Or just aren't willing to. And for some its good they aren't trying, cause it can end badly if you are really bad at it. Don't think that if you and me can, everyone can, and will do it confortably. As you can see most people simply can't find the time or knowledge to read and understand some long posts of yours. Or simply they aren't willing to.
I can understad your viewpoint very well, but convenience is what most search for. Even if diy would be 10 times better than what you can buy with same money, most will still buy the ready made solution.
I, personaly, did some diy builds before, when ready made was almost unexistent or very expensive. But once the new generation ready made panels hit the market, I decided it's not worth it for me anymore. Considering I already hsve the tools and knowledge to do it, I can put myself into the skin of others that aren't so sure about where to start on diy.. and I get why most won't even think about it.
Most simply don't ever even consider going diy before buying a ready made panel. And of course, Mars Hydro mostly serves those customers, not the ones that could do their own lights. So maybe it's not nice of us to continue offtopic about diy builds here, in "their home".
That being said, as a fellow electronics and diy enthusiast I am following you and look forward to seeing the build you are talking about. The fact that you know so much compared to others, and you are willing to put in the work that's needed, makes it even more rare and interesting to see these days, when , as you say, almost nobody does stuff like this anymore.
Respect!
NIKT
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They're not interested, Probably. Especially the new generation 18 year olds sitting still on their cell phones, not trying to read anything, rather looking for answers to yotube. The world has changed and forums are much less popular, eg. In many cases almost dead.
I think I'm writing about something completely different. Generation change a different view of reality. It is often difficult to find a common ground with lumières who do not know the times when, for example, nothing was available.
The world based on books and the written word has rather ceased to exist. Internet => Google , for example, most of the first search results are positioned ads. everything....
The reason people got interested in DIY was the need, when it disappeared, hardly anyone does it. The aim was practical application rather than knowledge itself, as in most cases people then look for data and knowledge when needed. Now, when the cost of a reasonable solution with good efficiency is similar to a self-assembled something.
It was like that before. Often the diy was also based on very poor quality components not worth too much attention. Quickly made for several crops
This is the case with e27 sources. Enduring performance, costs almost none with minimum effort. It will rather stay, cheaper and better than in the case of the lowest-class ready-made solutions straight from e bay.
The issue of scale, with small ones with a specific application, when there is a need to adapt the solution to the needs, it still makes sense. the cost of perfectly sensible panel is very low. Even if it is to be a temporary solution, before moving on to something out of the box on a larger scale than fun.
I know, and it won't come back. Rather, it will practically disappear completely in the next few years. Single hobbyists who like it. As these few manufacturers of inexpensive panels doing it in the garage and selling it a bit cheaper than similar ones on the market. At least two or three of these can be found in my country. Usually COB clu058 set to around 100_150W.
Since, for example, a simple idea to increase the functionality and durability of e27 sources was proposed, 3 conversions were created on my favorite forum. In about 5 years
. Despite the fact that at the moment it really trumps the efficiency of high-set COB systems. Just a few.There were a lot of DIY panels based on CLU058, some of them were as good as a factory solution, even in appearance.
Forums as places where such things were displayed, and where construction help could be obtained, are dying. Less and less visible, at present as efficiency increases and the price of out-of-the-box solutions decreases. Another thing is that sli is also a solution out of the box and here the efficiency has increased. Maybe it is no longer comparable to the market average .. but still .. interesting in its own way.
Black visions, corporations won't even have such a competition. Lol. And the only thing that will be left is an exchange of opinions on ready-made solutions ... it will be terribly boring ...
Complete of topic.
Regards.
ps: i have no idea about electronics as such. Specification input output is it all.
now we are waiting for the next photos of plants under the MH brand products. Maybe I will look for a similar series of photos from another brand? Why not. It is a pity that there will be hardly anything else inside.
They're not interested, Probably. Especially the new generation 18 year olds sitting still on their cell phones, not trying to read anything, rather looking for answers to yotube. The world has changed and forums are much less popular, eg. In many cases almost dead.
I think I'm writing about something completely different. Generation change a different view of reality. It is often difficult to find a common ground with lumières who do not know the times when, for example, nothing was available.
The world based on books and the written word has rather ceased to exist. Internet => Google , for example, most of the first search results are positioned ads. everything....
The reason people got interested in DIY was the need, when it disappeared, hardly anyone does it. The aim was practical application rather than knowledge itself, as in most cases people then look for data and knowledge when needed. Now, when the cost of a reasonable solution with good efficiency is similar to a self-assembled something.
It was like that before. Often the diy was also based on very poor quality components not worth too much attention. Quickly made for several crops
This is the case with e27 sources. Enduring performance, costs almost none with minimum effort. It will rather stay, cheaper and better than in the case of the lowest-class ready-made solutions straight from e bay.
The issue of scale, with small ones with a specific application, when there is a need to adapt the solution to the needs, it still makes sense. the cost of perfectly sensible panel is very low. Even if it is to be a temporary solution, before moving on to something out of the box on a larger scale than fun.
I know, and it won't come back. Rather, it will practically disappear completely in the next few years. Single hobbyists who like it. As these few manufacturers of inexpensive panels doing it in the garage and selling it a bit cheaper than similar ones on the market. At least two or three of these can be found in my country. Usually COB clu058 set to around 100_150W.
Since, for example, a simple idea to increase the functionality and durability of e27 sources was proposed, 3 conversions were created on my favorite forum. In about 5 years
There were a lot of DIY panels based on CLU058, some of them were as good as a factory solution, even in appearance.
Forums as places where such things were displayed, and where construction help could be obtained, are dying. Less and less visible, at present as efficiency increases and the price of out-of-the-box solutions decreases. Another thing is that sli is also a solution out of the box and here the efficiency has increased. Maybe it is no longer comparable to the market average .. but still .. interesting in its own way.
Black visions, corporations won't even have such a competition. Lol. And the only thing that will be left is an exchange of opinions on ready-made solutions ... it will be terribly boring ...
Complete of topic.
Regards.
ps: i have no idea about electronics as such. Specification input output is it all.
now we are waiting for the next photos of plants under the MH brand products. Maybe I will look for a similar series of photos from another brand? Why not. It is a pity that there will be hardly anything else inside.
did you try just asking a simply worded question rather than a page long post?
NIKT
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ok. Lets try.
@Mars Hydro Led
Dear and highly respected user => Mars hydro led. Can you provide me with full photometric test reports of the offered products. It's best in numerical form.
TS series, new and old ones would be the most desirable in this case.
@unclefishstick
ps: Why do you quote the entire statement if you do not refer to the content in any way. ??
Come on, who's got time for that?
I don't know, maybe someone's job is to answer the needs of potential clients. And to dispel their doubts, surprises, or simply ... curiosity. And from it he lives?
so the system would send you a notification
NIKT
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You mean matrix?
quote One sentence is enough.
I guess you usually got warnings on forums for something like that. [ moderator
]ok, I'll wait and watch. Perhaps I will get an answer to one simple question.
#1 Yes
#2 No
#3 maybe ?
I don't think it made sense from the beginning. Pointless.
