Defacto
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From the Wall Street Journal:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/marijuana-is-more-dangerous-than-you-think-11546527075
https://www.wsj.com/articles/marijuana-is-more-dangerous-than-you-think-11546527075
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Marijuana Is More Dangerous Than You Think
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EvergreenState
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Wall Street is more dangerous than you think.
Lost in a SOG
GrassSnakeGenetics
The jist is basically they think its makes you crazy and violent.. which as pointed out is a bit hypocritical for the fucking sess pool of sociopathic fat cats that associate with wall street..
Those guys have helped completely fuck the whole world up so yeah im not taking their medical or mental health advice.. Bunch of fucking retards think money can buy love. Shallow minds.
Those guys have helped completely fuck the whole world up so yeah im not taking their medical or mental health advice.. Bunch of fucking retards think money can buy love. Shallow minds.
Switcher56
Comfortably numb!
Say it as it is 
Am agree with everything you write except those claim that money
cant buy you love.. am buyed dog and encountering he gives me
love so those claim money cant buy you love doesnt worth
in mine case...
LOL
Lost in a SOG
GrassSnakeGenetics
Ahh you can buy a dog,, sure yeah,, but you have to love and care for it for it to love you back dont you.
Love isnt one single transaction is it its a process, dedication and devotion
Something these shits running this world dont seem to appreciate..
Love isnt one single transaction is it its a process, dedication and devotion
Something these shits running this world dont seem to appreciate..
dufous
Well-known member
THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
IDEAS ESSAY
Marijuana Is More Dangerous Than You Think
As legalization spreads, more Americans are becoming heavy users of cannabis, despite its links to violence and mental illness
Over the past 30 years, a shrewd and expensive lobbying campaign has made Americans more tolerant of marijuana. In November 2018, Michigan became the 10th state to legalize recreational cannabis use; New Jersey and others may soon follow. Already, more than 200 million Americans live in states that have legalized marijuana for medical or recreational use. Yet even as marijuana use has become more socially acceptable, psychiatrists and epidemiologists have reached a consensus that it presents more serious risks than most people realize.
Contrary to the predictions of both advocates and opponents, legalization hasn’t led to a huge increase in people using the drug casually. About 15% of Americans used cannabis at least once in 2017, up from 10% in 2006, according to the federal government’s National Survey on Drug Use and Health. By contrast, almost 70% of Americans had an alcoholic drink in the past year.
But the number of Americans who use cannabis heavily is soaring. In 2006, about 3 million Americans reported using the drug at least 300 times a year, the standard for daily use. By 2017, that number had increased to 8 million—approaching the 12 million Americans who drank every day. Put another way, only one in 15 drinkers consumed alcohol daily; about one in five marijuana users used cannabis that often.
And they are consuming cannabis that is far more potent than ever before, as measured by the amount of THC it contains. THC, or delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol, is the chemical responsible for the drug’s psychoactive effects. In the 1970s, most marijuana contained less than 2% THC. Today, marijuana routinely contains 20-25% THC, thanks to sophisticated farming and cloning techniques and to the demand of users to get a stronger high more quickly. In states where cannabis is legal, many users prefer extracts that are nearly pure THC.
Cannabis advocates often argue that the drug can’t be as neurotoxic as studies suggest because otherwise Western countries would have seen population-wide increases in psychosis alongside rising marijuana use. In reality, accurately tracking psychosis cases is impossible in the U.S. The government carefully tracks diseases such as cancer with central registries, but no such system exists for schizophrenia or other severe mental illnesses.
Some population-level data does exist, though. Research from Finland and Denmark, two countries that track mental illness more accurately, shows a significant increase in psychosis since 2000, following an increase in cannabis use. And last September, a large survey found a rise in serious mental illness in the U.S. too. In 2017, 7.5% of young adults met the criteria for serious mental illness, double the rate in 2008.
None of these studies prove that rising cannabis use has caused population-wide increases in psychosis or other mental illness, although they do offer suggestive evidence of a link. What is clear is that, in individual cases, marijuana can cause psychosis, and psychosis is a high risk factor for violence. What’s more, much of that violence occurs when psychotic people are using drugs. As long as people with schizophrenia are avoiding recreational drugs, they are only moderately more likely to become violent than healthy people. But when they use drugs, their risk of violence skyrockets. The drug they are most likely to use is cannabis.
The most obvious way that cannabis fuels violence in psychotic people is through its tendency to cause paranoia. Even marijuana advocates acknowledge that the drug can cause paranoia; the risk is so obvious that users joke about it, and dispensaries advertise certain strains as less likely to do so. But for people with psychotic disorders, paranoia can fuel extreme violence. A 2007 paper in the Medical Journal of Australia looked at 88 defendants who had committed homicide during psychotic episodes. It found that most of the killers believed they were in danger from the victim, and almost two-thirds reported misusing cannabis—more than alcohol and amphetamines combined.
The link between marijuana and violence doesn’t appear limited to people with pre-existing psychosis. Researchers have studied alcohol and violence for generations, proving that alcohol is a risk factor for domestic abuse, assault and even murder. Far less work has been done on marijuana, in part because advocates have stigmatized anyone who raises the issue. Still, there are studies showing that marijuana use is a significant risk factor for violence.
A 2012 paper in the Journal of Interpersonal Violence, examining a federal survey of more than 9,000 adolescents, found that marijuana use was associated with a doubling of domestic violence in the U.S. A 2017 paper in the journal Social Psychiatry and Psychiatric Epidemiology, examining drivers of violence among 6,000 British and Chinese men, found that drug use was linked to a fivefold increase in violence, and the drug used was nearly always cannabis.
Before states legalized recreational cannabis, advocates predicted that legalization would let police focus on hardened criminals rather than on marijuana smokers and thus reduce violent crime. Some advocates even claim that legalization has reduced violent crime: In a 2017 speech calling for federal legalization, Sen. Cory Booker (D., N.J.) said that “these states are seeing decreases in violent crime.”
But Mr. Booker is wrong. The first four states to legalize marijuana for recreational use were Colorado and Washington in 2014 and Alaska and Oregon in 2015. Combined, those four states had about 450 murders and 30,300 aggravated assaults in 2013. In 2017, they had almost 620 murders and 38,000 aggravated assaults—an increase far greater than the national average.
Knowing exactly how much of that increase is related to cannabis is impossible without researching every crime. But for centuries, people all over the world have understood that cannabis causes mental illness and violence—just as they’ve known that opiates cause addiction and overdose. Hard data on the relationship between marijuana and madness dates back 150 years, to British asylum registers in India.
Yet 20 years ago, the U.S. moved to encourage wider use of cannabis and opiates. In both cases, we decided we could outsmart these drugs—enjoying their benefits without their costs. And in both cases, we were wrong. Opiates are riskier than cannabis, and the overdose deaths they cause are a more imminent crisis, so public and government attention have focused on them. Soon, the mental illness and violence that follow cannabis use also may be too widespread to ignore.
—Mr. Berenson is a former New York Times reporter and the author of 12 novels. This essay is adapted from his new book, “Tell Your Children: The Truth About Marijuana, Mental Illness and Violence,” which will be published by Simon & Schuster on Jan. 8.
IDEAS ESSAY
Marijuana Is More Dangerous Than You Think
As legalization spreads, more Americans are becoming heavy users of cannabis, despite its links to violence and mental illness
Over the past 30 years, a shrewd and expensive lobbying campaign has made Americans more tolerant of marijuana. In November 2018, Michigan became the 10th state to legalize recreational cannabis use; New Jersey and others may soon follow. Already, more than 200 million Americans live in states that have legalized marijuana for medical or recreational use. Yet even as marijuana use has become more socially acceptable, psychiatrists and epidemiologists have reached a consensus that it presents more serious risks than most people realize.
Contrary to the predictions of both advocates and opponents, legalization hasn’t led to a huge increase in people using the drug casually. About 15% of Americans used cannabis at least once in 2017, up from 10% in 2006, according to the federal government’s National Survey on Drug Use and Health. By contrast, almost 70% of Americans had an alcoholic drink in the past year.
But the number of Americans who use cannabis heavily is soaring. In 2006, about 3 million Americans reported using the drug at least 300 times a year, the standard for daily use. By 2017, that number had increased to 8 million—approaching the 12 million Americans who drank every day. Put another way, only one in 15 drinkers consumed alcohol daily; about one in five marijuana users used cannabis that often.
And they are consuming cannabis that is far more potent than ever before, as measured by the amount of THC it contains. THC, or delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol, is the chemical responsible for the drug’s psychoactive effects. In the 1970s, most marijuana contained less than 2% THC. Today, marijuana routinely contains 20-25% THC, thanks to sophisticated farming and cloning techniques and to the demand of users to get a stronger high more quickly. In states where cannabis is legal, many users prefer extracts that are nearly pure THC.
Cannabis advocates often argue that the drug can’t be as neurotoxic as studies suggest because otherwise Western countries would have seen population-wide increases in psychosis alongside rising marijuana use. In reality, accurately tracking psychosis cases is impossible in the U.S. The government carefully tracks diseases such as cancer with central registries, but no such system exists for schizophrenia or other severe mental illnesses.
Some population-level data does exist, though. Research from Finland and Denmark, two countries that track mental illness more accurately, shows a significant increase in psychosis since 2000, following an increase in cannabis use. And last September, a large survey found a rise in serious mental illness in the U.S. too. In 2017, 7.5% of young adults met the criteria for serious mental illness, double the rate in 2008.
None of these studies prove that rising cannabis use has caused population-wide increases in psychosis or other mental illness, although they do offer suggestive evidence of a link. What is clear is that, in individual cases, marijuana can cause psychosis, and psychosis is a high risk factor for violence. What’s more, much of that violence occurs when psychotic people are using drugs. As long as people with schizophrenia are avoiding recreational drugs, they are only moderately more likely to become violent than healthy people. But when they use drugs, their risk of violence skyrockets. The drug they are most likely to use is cannabis.
The most obvious way that cannabis fuels violence in psychotic people is through its tendency to cause paranoia. Even marijuana advocates acknowledge that the drug can cause paranoia; the risk is so obvious that users joke about it, and dispensaries advertise certain strains as less likely to do so. But for people with psychotic disorders, paranoia can fuel extreme violence. A 2007 paper in the Medical Journal of Australia looked at 88 defendants who had committed homicide during psychotic episodes. It found that most of the killers believed they were in danger from the victim, and almost two-thirds reported misusing cannabis—more than alcohol and amphetamines combined.
The link between marijuana and violence doesn’t appear limited to people with pre-existing psychosis. Researchers have studied alcohol and violence for generations, proving that alcohol is a risk factor for domestic abuse, assault and even murder. Far less work has been done on marijuana, in part because advocates have stigmatized anyone who raises the issue. Still, there are studies showing that marijuana use is a significant risk factor for violence.
A 2012 paper in the Journal of Interpersonal Violence, examining a federal survey of more than 9,000 adolescents, found that marijuana use was associated with a doubling of domestic violence in the U.S. A 2017 paper in the journal Social Psychiatry and Psychiatric Epidemiology, examining drivers of violence among 6,000 British and Chinese men, found that drug use was linked to a fivefold increase in violence, and the drug used was nearly always cannabis.
Before states legalized recreational cannabis, advocates predicted that legalization would let police focus on hardened criminals rather than on marijuana smokers and thus reduce violent crime. Some advocates even claim that legalization has reduced violent crime: In a 2017 speech calling for federal legalization, Sen. Cory Booker (D., N.J.) said that “these states are seeing decreases in violent crime.”
But Mr. Booker is wrong. The first four states to legalize marijuana for recreational use were Colorado and Washington in 2014 and Alaska and Oregon in 2015. Combined, those four states had about 450 murders and 30,300 aggravated assaults in 2013. In 2017, they had almost 620 murders and 38,000 aggravated assaults—an increase far greater than the national average.
Knowing exactly how much of that increase is related to cannabis is impossible without researching every crime. But for centuries, people all over the world have understood that cannabis causes mental illness and violence—just as they’ve known that opiates cause addiction and overdose. Hard data on the relationship between marijuana and madness dates back 150 years, to British asylum registers in India.
Yet 20 years ago, the U.S. moved to encourage wider use of cannabis and opiates. In both cases, we decided we could outsmart these drugs—enjoying their benefits without their costs. And in both cases, we were wrong. Opiates are riskier than cannabis, and the overdose deaths they cause are a more imminent crisis, so public and government attention have focused on them. Soon, the mental illness and violence that follow cannabis use also may be too widespread to ignore.
—Mr. Berenson is a former New York Times reporter and the author of 12 novels. This essay is adapted from his new book, “Tell Your Children: The Truth About Marijuana, Mental Illness and Violence,” which will be published by Simon & Schuster on Jan. 8.
Fred Sanford
Member
Douglas.Curtis
Autistic Diplomat in Training
I know, right? Yellow Journalism from the wall street journal??
WOW! Ignorance and the influence of money are VERY strong for cannabis this week.
WOW! Ignorance and the influence of money are VERY strong for cannabis this week.
St. Phatty
Active member
The US economic model is 100% addicted to growth, because of its dependence on Debt.
Drugs with safe usage histories that go back 5000+ years kind of de-rail Wall Street's plans.
Drugs like that also interfere with the Megalomaniacal Greed of the American "health care" industry.
Drugs with safe usage histories that go back 5000+ years kind of de-rail Wall Street's plans.
Drugs like that also interfere with the Megalomaniacal Greed of the American "health care" industry.
Douglas.Curtis
Autistic Diplomat in Training
This article is complete bullshit and every educated law enforcement official already knows this. Cannabis REDUCES violent behavior, PERIOD! The data from EVERY state which has legalized shows the same pattern. Crime and violence go DOWN when cannabis is legalized in the area.
Legalizing Marijuana Reduces Violent Crime
Violent crime has dropped in BORDER states with legal cannabis: Study
Legal marijuana cuts violence says US study, as medical-use laws see crime fall
Legal pot is linked to LESS crime
Study shows cannabis legalization in Washington state led to significant decreases in violent crime
And on, and on, and on, and on...
Legalizing Marijuana Reduces Violent Crime
Violent crime has dropped in BORDER states with legal cannabis: Study
Legal marijuana cuts violence says US study, as medical-use laws see crime fall
Legal pot is linked to LESS crime
Study shows cannabis legalization in Washington state led to significant decreases in violent crime
And on, and on, and on, and on...
What year is this ....the 1930s?
Yeah - cannabis can be very dangerous if made into hashish and compressed - then a ton of it falls on someones head - and that's the only direct death I have ever heard about concerning cannabis.
People will always do dumb stuff - whether they are stoned on 'erb or not - so now we get stats on stoned people doing dumb stuff who might well have done the same dumb stuff sober - or on some other drug - so just because they happen to have a bit of cannabis in their system - it gets a bad name.
They don't give you stats on what sugar levels murderers have or what blood pressure they are running - just whether or not they have cannabis in their system or not.
People will always do dumb stuff - whether they are stoned on 'erb or not - so now we get stats on stoned people doing dumb stuff who might well have done the same dumb stuff sober - or on some other drug - so just because they happen to have a bit of cannabis in their system - it gets a bad name.
They don't give you stats on what sugar levels murderers have or what blood pressure they are running - just whether or not they have cannabis in their system or not.
OldCoolSativa
Well-known member
The Wall Street Journal is one of the last great newspapers that still reports accurately and with little bias. This bullshit article appeared in their Opinion section, and the author is not on the WSJ Editorial Board.
In fact, the author is a former New York Times reporter, which explains why he is full of shit. He also spent a lot of time reporting on the pharma industry during his tenure at the NYT, and it would appear that's where his bread is still buttered.
Personally, I think social media is responsible for increasing psychoses to a much greater extent than cannabis. And I know precisely zero violent stoners...
In fact, the author is a former New York Times reporter, which explains why he is full of shit. He also spent a lot of time reporting on the pharma industry during his tenure at the NYT, and it would appear that's where his bread is still buttered.
Personally, I think social media is responsible for increasing psychoses to a much greater extent than cannabis. And I know precisely zero violent stoners...
I was just going to say
Social media is way more dangerous. Some sites are obviously run by a group of manipulators. I think in the future there will be no other option but some sort of damage control unit/organization. Either that or sit back and watch society fail
Oh, and never mind the alcohol and over prescribed painkillers. They just die
Or, the people with mental disorders that drink. Not violent at all right.
Excuse the early morning spout cast.
Social media is way more dangerous. Some sites are obviously run by a group of manipulators. I think in the future there will be no other option but some sort of damage control unit/organization. Either that or sit back and watch society fail
Oh, and never mind the alcohol and over prescribed painkillers. They just die
Or, the people with mental disorders that drink. Not violent at all right.
Excuse the early morning spout cast.
Haha, Those mofos on wall street are a bunch of coked up pill heads. Who cares what they think!!
One thing for sure... people with psychotic illnesses and schizophrenics need to avoid some of sativas.. but usually those who have those illnesses doesnt give a damn about being responisble individue.. they can safely use most of indicas and high CBD strains,CBD is prooved natural anti-pyschotic and medicine serious count on help from CBD for this kind of issues... they generalize much in text and doesnt use real medical data on different cannabionide profiles... medicine knowledge progress but with cannabis everything goes slow,like they cleaning a terrain from land mines and they doesnt have map of how land mines are positioned.. thats is thems ignorance cause we have already lot of data on cannabionides and how different cannabionides have specific different action..
also there is like 1% of people that have schyzophrenia... does the rest 99% need to
be forbidden cannabis as it helps for so many other medical states cause there are
one procent of population that needs to avoid sativa pure THC dominant strains..??!
And what is even more interesting those one procent can get help thru CBD meds
that come also from cannabis plant,and this cure can even help for their hard medical
states so they feel less of their illness..
One question more and that will be does this countries that legalize weed have or
made more hospitals that treat mental illnesses since they are legalized cannabis??
If they didnt made new mental hospitals than those text is a lie,that will be direct proof for those from Wall Street and how they are wrong in their satanizing our sacred plant..
also there is like 1% of people that have schyzophrenia... does the rest 99% need to
be forbidden cannabis as it helps for so many other medical states cause there are
one procent of population that needs to avoid sativa pure THC dominant strains..??!
And what is even more interesting those one procent can get help thru CBD meds
that come also from cannabis plant,and this cure can even help for their hard medical
states so they feel less of their illness..
One question more and that will be does this countries that legalize weed have or
made more hospitals that treat mental illnesses since they are legalized cannabis??
If they didnt made new mental hospitals than those text is a lie,that will be direct proof for those from Wall Street and how they are wrong in their satanizing our sacred plant..
"This essay is adapted from his new book, “Tell Your Children: The Truth About Marijuana, Mental Illness and Violence,” which will be published by Simon & Schuster on Jan. 8."
Because some people will still believe reefer madness in 2019!
Because some people will still believe reefer madness in 2019!
