man made or earth's natural cycle

[George Hayduke]

hahaha,that's just silly.The Earth has had heating and cooling trends since the beginning of time.Don't believe the hype.

Don't believe the hype? I believe what I see and I know humans are affecting the weather patterns. Just as a local concern to those in Appalachia we have to deal with mountain top removal. This is a practice done by coal companies so they can strip mountains of its coal faster than ever before. King George Bush signed a bill allowing coal companies faster and quicker. They literally shave the mountain down until its nothing. How might this affect weather patterns you ask? Well if mountains aren't there to raise the air from the plains up to cool it than we will see droughts all over the eastern seaboard. This has already begun as we are seeing droughts all over the southeast. This summer is particularly rough. I've never seen or experienced anything like it before. They also push the mountain tops into valleys which blocks off water ways and causes flooding and mud slides. This is the kind of irreversible damage that goes on every day out of sight to ignorant humans like yourself. I just don't know how you can sit back and think that none of this stuff wont effect us.

You think I like breathing in the pollution that comes from cities in the Midwest thats blown into these mountains as well??? I've also seen what thats doing the an eco-system.... you ever hear of acid-rain?

 

[Verite]

?? Florida gets frost every year and the Seirra mountains gets more than one blizzard a year. Whats new?

 

[Stoner4Life]

Frost in Florida


and blizzards in California,


Al Gore
what's going on!

I don't know anything about blizzards in CA but frost in FL has been a problem for all of my 50+ yrs and I'm sure even earlier than that. Al Gore....... isn't he the guy that invented the internet?

 

[Ganico]

Al Gore is the dude that spends $30,000 a month on power and utilities at his Nashville mansion.

Al Gore is all ****ing talk, he can save that bullshit and them movies, he spends almost the average household income EACH MONTH on a ****ing utility bill.

I don't need some dude who is using that much power to bitch at me about my power consumption.

 

[varriform]

I never actually saw al gore's movie , but its not like he invented global warming and pollution . Im only in my 20's and I can remember this being a problem when I was a little kid , there is just alot more attention now that a (vice president/president elect) is in the media with the issues . That and its getting worse .

 

[ToKEN]

The US gov't (Bush admin) admits humankind is causing global warming in some way by use offossil fuel, go look it up, it's out there

do you think they could be just making that up to scare us into biodiesel and stuff like that? because I agree with the whole natural cooling and heating periods of the earth. I actually was just talking about that tonight...about the whole frost in I think it was orlando and blizzards in cali.

where's your global warming now al?

 

[Guest]

The thing is, the largest group of credible scientists cannot come to a natural conclusion to explain why co2 is going up and why temp is going up. There is no accepted natural phenomena that the scientific can agree on as a majority.

Instead, the scientific majority agrees that man is to blame.

I'm not gonna play scientist, I'm gonna realize there WERE natural cycles until man came and fcked them up, and the international scientific majority agrees with me.

If there was a natural phenomena we would find it. So far we have not.
The only people telling us about nat. phenomena are oil companies, crackpots, and a few other scientists. The international scientific board does not agree witrh that. I trust them more than crackpots and oil companies, but it isn't about trust anyways, it's about what the WORLD'S largest international community of credible scientists agree on.

The data has been gettin stronger and stronger in terms of suggesting man is behind this.

 

[med_breeder]

the thing that i feel is over looked in this thread is the co2 angle.
many growers here inhance their indoor grows with co2. It increases gains, yeilds, etc.
If that is so, why is co2 that big of a problem? co2 creates huge buds, why wouldn't it also create huge oranges. I am not a botanist, but wouldn't the vegatation on Earth absorb the excess co2 and have huge yields? I am not a climate scientist, I am just trying to make sense of co2. If it is great for bud, why can't excess co2 end world hunger.

I am seriously trying to find answers, so please don't treat me like a holocaust denier just for asking questions.


peace

 

[varriform]

there is too much in nature to be absorbed by plants , maybe if the world was covered in vegetation like it was a thousand years ago or even a couple hundred really. Plus what we produce from like a car is much more toxic then what is produced from like plants decomposing on the floor of the forest.
I dont think extra co2 is that useful imo , its more a lack of co2 in indoor enviroments .

 

[+Vibes]

co2 that we create is not only wayyyy more toxic like said above, but we remove about 1 acre every second of rainforest that is responsible for absorbing what good co2 its gets and giving the eath 20% of its oxygen. regardless of what you want to believe about Global whatever, those are facts.

 

[Guest]

the thing that i feel is over looked in this thread is the co2 angle.
many growers here inhance their indoor grows with co2. It increases gains, yeilds, etc.
If that is so, why is co2 that big of a problem? co2 creates huge buds, why wouldn't it also create huge oranges. I am not a botanist, but wouldn't the vegatation on Earth absorb the excess co2 and have huge yields? I am not a climate scientist, I am just trying to make sense of co2. If it is great for bud, why can't excess co2 end world hunger.

I am seriously trying to find answers, so please don't treat me like a holocaust denier just for asking questions.


peace

Different plants benefit from this and that.
There are diff. types of photosynthesis

CAM photosynthesis (starches are made in day, respiration is in night so stomates are open in night to prevent h2o loss in deserts)

C4 photosynthesis - The plant saturates at 150ppm CO2, so anything above is useless (and since we know high co2 = increased temps, it is bad for the plant)

C3 photosynthesis - Saturates at 1500ppm co2 - maybe cannabis is this plant - maybe not, I'm not sure. So these plants benefit from co2 more than the other kinds of plants do. Most plants are c3. But the overall effect of co2 = increased temps so you have bad water efficiency.

Plus, none of that matters, because the bottom line is that humans are disrupting patterns of nature by dumping shit into the atmosphere.

That's just some very rough stuff but if you wanna get started check out the diff. types of photosynthesis.

Upped co2 doesn't always = upped production or efficiency: Many times it's the opposite in a natural (not an indoor op) setting. It isn't as simple as some would think (that more co2 means more or better plants)

 

[med_breeder]

I think the point of this thread was not to debate if the Earth is getting hotter, but why? If it is a natural trend so be it, if it is man made how can we stop it ?
In the whole debate co2 is treated like a toxin. co2 is not some chemical that was invented by Dupont, it's been around since the start of time. If man is to blame, is co2 the cause? The very thing we exspell into the world every time we exhale. Is that the killer? If we are losing 1 acre per second, can the acres intact just absorb more co2?
can the remaining vegataion compansate for the trees being lost?
is there a finite amount of co2 that let's say a pine tree can absorb?
if so, are we anywhere near those levels?

peace

 

[9Lives]

Ever seen the documentary about algae and how it can decrease CO2 levels ? Give me a tanker full of iron and i'll give you an ice age...

It was on discovery...something about if algae would be fertilized with iron..it would blossom and solve our problems.

 

[varriform]

the thing is nature doesnt really compensate like that . The world is full of all these fragile ecosystems that rely on all these other millions of factors . Even if everybody stoped driving now , the effects would last for a long time . imo its all just karma

 

[med_breeder]

Thanks for the info journies,
you really gave me something to work with, and 9 lives I will look into the algae that you spoke of.

thanks
peace

 

[varriform]

dont we have a problem with like spreading man made super algae or some sh*t . like nothing will eat and its realy vigorous , so it is like covering part of the ocean . i dont know something lke that

 

[okwildfire]

so...uhhh lol do you think, if everyone on earth held there breath for 5 seconds...the C02 levels would go down a notch? lol

 

[hunt4genetics]

ok Blizzards in California....
Frost in Florida less rare than seeing a unicorn,

but not bombs over baghdad....

SNOW in Baghdad!
was that just a natural occurance,
or did the SUV owners of the world cause that?

 

[greenhead]

How could anybody fall for what that charlatan preaches ?

Telling other people how to live, while he himself used nearly 221,000 kilowatts of electricity in just 1 year. Think of how much dank you could grow for that.

And besides, higher CO2 levels is better for growing, so bring on the global warming (or cooling), or whatever they're calling it nowadays.

 

[BadKarma]

LOL I have seen this so many times I cant believe it.

"Ive never seen weather like this Global warming must be the cause"
A storm could come and cover every inch of this planet with a foot of snow and no human alive or dead has ever seen it happen and it could STILL be a regular occurrence on this planet.

Your life no matter how old you are does not count for anything in this planets life. NO human alive has seen all the weather this planet has to offer.

People act as if this planet was created the day they were born.

Actually every bit of recorded history as it relates to weather could be FREEK Weather and the plant is now going back to the weather that its supposed to have.