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Man Caught smoking at work

huligun

Professor Organic Psychology
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One of my friends/customers is running a project with electricians. The project is for the state and rather massive in scale. My friend's company is a subcontractor on this project.

His boss, the one that manages subcontractors came to him and said one my friend's employees was smoking pot on the job site. It is the second time that someone went into a portable toilet and said they smelled smoke and found a can that was used to smoke marijuana. As mentioned, this is the second time he has been suspected of smoking like this, a single man in a crew of over 30.

My friend is worried about his company's image and it is a state contract. The working environment is categorically unsafe as it is, and everyone is always trying to make it safer. Although my friend, the project manager is a closet smoker, he has to take care of his job.

So my friend calls the worker into his office and tells him that he has been accused of smoking marijuana. The man looks him in the eye and said he has never used that portable toilet ever. He says he is not perfect, but would not risk a $35 an hour job getting high. And if he really needed to get high he could have easily just used an edible. He insisted on facing his accuser and said someone has a beef with him and his company because they are Non Union.

My friend looked this man in the eye and determined that he wasn't stoned and was telling the truth. He told the worker to go back to work.

My friend was telling me this Friday. He said that since the new recreational pot laws have been passed in the state he don't know what to do. He told me that if he had to drug screen his crew it would take 3/4 of them out. He has a contract to finish and needs everyone he has and more. The thing that gets me is he seriously doesn't want to start drug testing.

My thoughts are this; Have we crossed a line now, where recreational marijuana using is going to be accepted?

Ever since Reagan started drug testing it has changed and handicapped the work force. No longer were you able to get the most qualified for a given task, you had to sort by the non pot smokers first and then get the best of what is left.


I know the supreme court ruled that companies can still fire marijuana smokers, but not everyone wants to fire the pot smokers, my friends company included. Firing the pot smokers leaves you with a smaller pool of people to chose from.

I really think the tide is turning. Of course I never have to take a drug test and I do not drug test my employees. My work is not dangerous, not reliant on federal or state funding and basically manned by free thinking artist. My only requirement is that nobody blows a sale because they looked bad to the customer. I don't think most of my customers care. They are into the art, not the person selling it.
 

WelderDan

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I'd take a stoner over a drunk any day. Sadly, it seems life is the other way around. The prevailing attitude is still Pot = BAD, alcohol = OK. You can get as drunk as you like on your own time, as long as you don't show up to work drunk. But smoking on your day off can still get you fired. That's pretty messed up logic in my book.

The tide is turning. But far too slowly for my liking
 

Crusader Rabbit

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Drug testing is required by the feds and insurance carriers for many jobs. This isn't going to change any time soon.

Attitudes towards marijuana use are in big part based upon your tribal identity. Most people need someone to look down upon to feel good about themselves. For some tribal identities, pot smokers fit the bill.


If you read about the different types within the Myers-Briggs personality profiles, you'll often find the personality type descriptor of "feels marijuana use should be legalized", or the descriptor, "opposes legalization of marijuana". This is hardwired in our thinking. For a big subset of our population, the effects of cannabis are undesirable and even frightening. It shakes and threatens their world somehow. These people also tend to be rigid in their thinking and uncomfortable with anything new or different. These same people also tend to be authoritarian in outlook and believe that others need to be kept in control. These are the people who since time immemorial have been persecuting artists and innovators. These are often the people who crave power and political position. It's always been this way and it always will.
 

huligun

Professor Organic Psychology
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It seems to me that Everyone has a preconceived perception of how they want their world to be. Pot smokers do not fit into a box. They may fit into some kind of box, but it not exactly square. Society wants everyone to be in the same box, on the same page and all follow the same way of thinking. You cannot have long haired non-conformist taking over and changing the status quo. Pot smokers need to be set aside like blacks, Hispanics and homosexuals. They are different and need to be watched. The best way to watch them is to get them out of the workforce and on probation. We have two parties in this country dammit, pick one. At least that is my perception of the USA since moving here in 1994.
 

bombadil.360

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hola haligun,

your friend can always summon the whole crew and tell them that just because alcohol is legal, or that now cannabis is legal according to state law, that it is not cool to either drink alcohol during work-hours nor cool to smoke cannabis either; specially in a construction job.

they can toke their hearts out when they get back home...
 

MIway

Registered User
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Personally felt that i used to push a forklift better than the kids high on meth, but they always passed the drug tests... Lol... That was back in everett actually, small world


Have ur boy make a general announcement to the entire crew saying what was found and that he hopes it wasnt any of them, as the job is a state contract and important for them all to keep... He cant afford to lose it, and they need the check too. Approach them as adults and ask that they all watch their p's and q's and to not jeopordize the project nor their fellow workers. He doesnt know who it is specifically, or if it was even any of them, but please watch out for the safety of others... He can not tolerate anything at the job site. Thank you gentlemen, now lets get back to work. Dont know if that is 'legal' out for him, but it seems a good way to approach it wo going all ape shit. Hopefully his boys will understand and keep things cool...if not, fuck em and get the selfish fuck out of there.
 

huligun

Professor Organic Psychology
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I really appreciate everyone weighing in on this. This situation is real, not hypothetical, and very common. I was denied employment in the 90s because I didn't want to give up smoking. A lot of great people, people like me and you that are discriminated against because they are free thinkers. The only way to change the tied is with sheer numbers.
 

DevilWeedSeeds

Private Breeder
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I know many, many people that can function complete normal after smoking cannabis it has been part of their lives for many years. I know one person that can smoke a joint and beat me at many sports. He can drive a car better then most high and do just about anything just as well as someone that has never touch weed in their lives. Just because someone is high does mean they are unable to function. It's years of government brain washing that has cause many people society to believe otherwise.
 

Mud Boy

Member
Anyone smoking on the job is an irresponsible idiot as far as I'm concerned. These are the type of morons that fuck it up for the rest of us, and unless your friend wants to start pissing in a cup for every job he bids on, he should probably find out who it is and do something about it before he starts losing contracts. Insurance companies are looking hard at WA and CO, and and they won't touch him with a ten foot pole if they think all his employees are stoned all the time. It's hard to shake a bad reputation. If I was making $35/hr, I think I could wait for 4:20 PM before I took a toke. :2cents:
 

huligun

Professor Organic Psychology
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Anyone smoking on the job is an irresponsible idiot as far as I'm concerned. These are the type of morons that fuck it up for the rest of us, and unless your friend wants to start pissing in a cup for every job he bids on, he should probably find out who it is and do something about it before he starts losing contracts. Insurance companies are looking hard at WA and CO, and and they won't touch him with a ten foot pole if they think all his employees are stoned all the time. It's hard to shake a bad reputation. If I was making $35/hr, I think I could wait for 4:20 PM before I took a toke. :2cents:


Your point is good and I even pos repped you. However, this man convinced my friend (another smoker) that he didn't get high or even go into that portable toilet Ever. The people of Washington voted to allow recreational use of Marijuana and like it or not, that is the law now. This man stood accused, but there is no proof. And peeing in a cup would not prove anything.

I agree, people at work in dangerous jobs, those that involve the safety of others, should not be getting high on anything legal or not. We have a lot of people out there taking pills with doctor's notes... are they okay too?

I do not think it is very smart for a man to risk his job to get high on the job. If I were to catch a man on my crew in those circumstances getting high I would fire him. However, I don't think it was conclusively proven that he did, and a piss test wouldn't verify one way or another. All it would prove is that the man possibly got high after work, which is legal. And this contract is a State Contract, not Federal.
 

OldSSSCGuy

Active member
There will be no recreational use on a commercial job site, no more than somebody can sneak sips off a whiskey flask. Great way to get the prime contractor on a state project to cut the sub off completely.
 

skullznroses

that aint nothing but 10 cent lovin
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ummm don't mix drugs and electrician work, is that a a hard answer?

No we haven't crossed that line yet, since until its legal w/ Feds, there are many who will see cannabius use as sleazy, and highly uestionable.


Just remember to a straight person who believes the Gov't weed smokers are bad guys. On construction jobs or anywhere else there is big money weed will not be cool.

Rich people are conservative.

on a side note: I remember finding a used needle in a kitchen I once worked in, just laying on the ground when the guy throwing it away missed. lol... nothing was ever said again about this incident even though I told the owner/boss. I guess it depends on industry.
 

huligun

Professor Organic Psychology
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ummm don't mix drugs and electrician work, is that a a hard answer?

No we haven't crossed that line yet, since until its legal w/ Feds, there are many who will see cannabius use as sleazy, and highly uestionable.


Just remember to a straight person who believes the Gov't weed smokers are bad guys. On construction jobs or anywhere else there is big money weed will not be cool.

Rich people are conservative.

on a side note: I remember finding a used needle in a kitchen I once worked in, just laying on the ground when the guy throwing it away missed. lol... nothing was ever said again about this incident even though I told the owner/boss. I guess it depends on industry.

I, nor anyone else here has advocated smoking it at work. I think someone here said something about being better stoned than not, but that is not the general consensus.

The line I am talking about, the main point of the thread, and one that every self respecting pot smoker should agree with is that we should not be fired for something that we do in our own homes and for something that is legal now. Busting someone with a pee test alone is not justifiable in this day in age. Reagan is dead and the USSR is no longer a threat. If you Catch someone in the act of lighting up, shooting up, taking a pill or a drink while on duty at work you can treat him the way you would any other disciplinary action. No more can a blind pee test be proof of guilt. You need to see them commit the work offense. And with the way most weed smell you would have to be crazy to think you could get away smoking it on a construction project and should rightfully be terminated if for nothing else being a dumb ass.
 

skullznroses

that aint nothing but 10 cent lovin
Veteran
Good point.

All Im saying is that the rich people who run these companies are, in almost all cases wealthy conservatives. Many, if not a majority enjoy closet smoking.. right? They are the biggest hypocrites since they have to hide their habits, and it must be hard to give somebody who has the luxury of being a RECREATIONAL smoker (not someone smoking at work) a break. I mean they have to hide their habit like its heroin to maintain a job, and they resent the working man who obviously smokes at home.

I know dude, Ive had a friend or two who would tell his hookup over and over how much he loved to smoke, but if anyone ever found out... finished
 
Drug testing is required by the feds and insurance carriers for many jobs. This isn't going to change any time soon.

Attitudes towards marijuana use are in big part based upon your tribal identity. Most people need someone to look down upon to feel good about themselves. For some tribal identities, pot smokers fit the bill.


If you read about the different types within the Myers-Briggs personality profiles, you'll often find the personality type descriptor of "feels marijuana use should be legalized", or the descriptor, "opposes legalization of marijuana". This is hardwired in our thinking. For a big subset of our population, the effects of cannabis are undesirable and even frightening. It shakes and threatens their world somehow. These people also tend to be rigid in their thinking and uncomfortable with anything new or different. These same people also tend to be authoritarian in outlook and believe that others need to be kept in control. These are the people who since time immemorial have been persecuting artists and innovators. These are often the people who crave power and political position. It's always been this way and it always will.

Yup...In the NW many jobs have a pre employment whizz quiz. A good friend who is a Master Electrician won't work any job that involves Federal funding because of piss testing.

Sounds like the porta-potty rocket scientist recently got his online electricians certification....and thinks he is bullet-proof.

I'm currently working on a food truck and had a small Workermans Comp accident they sent me to the Kaiser Occupational Clinic. On their forms they had a box the employer could check for a drug screen (they didn't)

I agree with you Crusader Rabbit drug testing can be scary

And not just employment there are insurance exams for some loans and people awaiting vital organ transplants are dropped from the waiting list for ANY positives.

My old profession as bicycle courier drug use was common
You would be yelled at/suspendered/fired for alcohol or narcotic complaints.....anytime a ganja complaint came they would usually say 'I'll take care of it'... and not send you back there for while.

There was an old joke
What did the bike messenger that didn't have any pot say

'Fuck you..I quit'
 

Hydro-Soil

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Anyone smoking on the job is an irresponsible idiot as far as I'm concerned.
That statement is just dumb and irresponsible. Don't go blaming it on being high though.

Being irresponsible while smoking on the job is being irresponsible(That includes leaving tell-tale signs of cannabis use on the job). Cannabis has nothing to do with it.

Smoking a strain that impairs your function in a safety position is irresponsible, same as if you took any Rx or any other judgement/motor-skills affecting substance. Cannabis has nothing to do with this.

Do your job. Work hard, work smart and be efficient. I don't care if you're the biggest heroin user in the world, as long as you can do your damn job the way you're supposed to.

Can't do the job? You're fired. Don't give a shit one way or the other why you can't, too busy hiring someone who can to keep things profitable so EVERYONE, who IS capable of doing the job, can CONTINUE to do so.

Wanna be a fuck-up on the job? LOTS more ways than using cannabis irresponsibly.

I'll continue to medicate 24/7 and work at my most efficient pace/ability... rather than NOT medicate/smoke at work and cause issues for myself and others.

Careful with that "anyone" word in the future. :)

Stay Safe! :blowbubbles:
 
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