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Malawi Style Cob Curing.
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TychoMonolyth
Boreal Curing
Far fa far pipick.
--- Bob Hope trying to speak French.
--- Bob Hope trying to speak French.
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cobs
cobs
https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=78585&pictureid=1898275
https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=78585&pictureid=1898276
dunno if that will work... but trying to post some cobs here, two phenos of the same batch of old sativa seeds. my first cobs were gone wayyy too fast so i have to wait a month i think this time if i can for most of it.
cobbed on the dashboard with folded plastic bag for sweating and sweated during the days for 3 days and then let to dry with skins still tied tight but out of bag during the day and a jar with regular jar curing buds at night.
I will get a vacuum sealer just to be able to try longer wetter cures but this seems to work for this style cob if i work hard on making a very tight, and airtight cob that is tied very well at the ends.
aging in jars after doesnt need to be vacuum sealed.
Its the long colder fermentation that calls for vacuum sealing im thinking, or dirt. after a good hot sweat, in the roof the dirt seems like a logical step. Im going to try goatskins and manure and the ground in non flood areas. ill go there.
cobs
https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=78585&pictureid=1898275
https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=78585&pictureid=1898276
dunno if that will work... but trying to post some cobs here, two phenos of the same batch of old sativa seeds. my first cobs were gone wayyy too fast so i have to wait a month i think this time if i can for most of it.
cobbed on the dashboard with folded plastic bag for sweating and sweated during the days for 3 days and then let to dry with skins still tied tight but out of bag during the day and a jar with regular jar curing buds at night.
I will get a vacuum sealer just to be able to try longer wetter cures but this seems to work for this style cob if i work hard on making a very tight, and airtight cob that is tied very well at the ends.
aging in jars after doesnt need to be vacuum sealed.
Its the long colder fermentation that calls for vacuum sealing im thinking, or dirt. after a good hot sweat, in the roof the dirt seems like a logical step. Im going to try goatskins and manure and the ground in non flood areas. ill go there.
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cob, got the image thing now!
cob, got the image thing now!
for anyone else struggling with pictures, i bet theres a tutorial somewhere but i used the second link "BB" and copied and pasted the link after uploading images to an album. took me too long to get it.
cob, got the image thing now!
for anyone else struggling with pictures, i bet theres a tutorial somewhere but i used the second link "BB" and copied and pasted the link after uploading images to an album. took me too long to get it.
Nice colors on the second pic looks well cured.
The first pic still looks a little green still but that may be because its still new.
What was your recipe as far as time, temps ect on the second one it seems to have worked very well whatever you did.
Keep an eye out for mold if its not vacuum sealed. You seem to have it under control though nice job.
The first pic still looks a little green still but that may be because its still new.
What was your recipe as far as time, temps ect on the second one it seems to have worked very well whatever you did.
Keep an eye out for mold if its not vacuum sealed. You seem to have it under control though nice job.
Am tryed to made cob in owen on 70 C for some hours.. and they
go really nice out.. good thought on constant heat inside manure
heap.. but i will not like urea in mine buds so they definitly need
to use crude parts of manure whithouth much liquid piss..
we need to try this method in future.. only thing no body keeps
cows this days or they are rare.. before every house keeped few
cows here near in villages.. now there are big farms that gives
antibiotics and i dont belive those shit bears same quality like
free range cows that are not in intensive production like big
farms are....
TychoMonolyth
Boreal Curing
When they say it's buried in the manure pile, you can be sure it's not fresh cow shit. I'm 100% Positive it's a composting pile. And not "liquid" at all. I had horses and the manure pile was composted completely. The "new" pile would heat up and would barely freeze all winter.
Yes that's what I suspected the constant heat of composting manure and who wants to go digging through manure piles? I sure dont with Sativa's finishing later in the year when it's cold you need a constant heat source and a place to hide your harvest. Maybe it was to hide their stash and the corn or banana leafs to keep weed clean and this is probably how they found out about this curing technique
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manure piles and any composting pile of any kind that produces heat also do one other key thing here and that is eat or displace any oxygen present and so keeps from molding. also the fermenting fungus/bacteria are in the available "air" in high quantities.
so wrapping in a skin after cob wrapping seems like double security, and can wrap plenty cobs in a skin, with extra folds to secure it, could tie it tight. then in a covered from the rain manure pile. will have to cover it with chicken wire for my dog cause that sounds like a doggy treat,
manure sweated goatskin...
so wrapping in a skin after cob wrapping seems like double security, and can wrap plenty cobs in a skin, with extra folds to secure it, could tie it tight. then in a covered from the rain manure pile. will have to cover it with chicken wire for my dog cause that sounds like a doggy treat,
manure sweated goatskin...
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HaHaHashish
Keep an eye out for mold if its not vacuum sealed. You seem to have it under control though nice job.
When cobbing without a vacuum mold is more likely to occur. You have to find the right balance between making sure the cob is not over dried after the initial 12 ~ 36 hours of 40C heat or fermentation won't happen as good as it should (or even not at all if it's too dry) and making sure the cob is not too wet during the next 30 days sealed in tightly wrapped cling wrap and a plastic bag or mold might happen.
Unwrap and check the cobs (just one from each batch is sufficient, no need to open all of them if they were made at the same time from the same buds) every few days then later every 4 or 5 days. If the cob feels slightly cold and damp then it's probably a good idea to let them air out for several hours in a mid to low RH room or until the cobs don't feel cold/damp obviously, do not use heat to dry them as it's too easy to over dry them). Smell the cobs when checking too, cobs that need to be a little drier will smell damp.
I have to laugh at you guys talking about trying cob making in manure and goat skins.......lol..I suggest getting good at cob making by using controlled heat/moisture/vacuum as per Tangwena's method then catch a goat and buy a shovel. I wonder that maybe cobs are not buried in clay or hard soil or under manure piles but are instead buried in very sandy soil, I also don't think that manure and urine from cattle play a role in the fermentation, the Malawian cob makers probably bury the cobs where they are safe which would be inside their walled compounds, the fact that their animals are kept there at night is probably incidental...but that's just me stoned musing about it.
There seems to be not that many videos about cobbing in Malawi on you tube and not that many first hand historical accounts of it when google searched (apart from ganja sites talking about Tangawena's method)...and what is out there is short on details. Some mention that cobs are buried, some accounts say the cobs are put in the ceilings of the huts. Some videos show the cobs being wrapped with damp but smoke-able early picked leafy bud then sold...has anyone seen videos from Malawi that show buried cobs?. I wonder if cobs were mostly buried in the ground to ferment or maybe this was not a common way of doing it but since it was documented once years ago so now everyone refers to it and says that's how it's done in Malawi?
anyway, one thing is for sure, Tangwena was a clever fella to work out how to make cobs with the lack of information that was out there. Tangwena please tell us about the first ones you made and how you got to perfect the method, that would be interesting.
and have you noticed lately that fermentation is "in" right now. Who knows, maybe Brad from Bon Appetit (a chef who does lots of fermentation..he's fun to watch) will make cobs on his show "It's Alive" in the future?
When cobbing without a vacuum mold is more likely to occur. You have to find the right balance between making sure the cob is not over dried after the initial 12 ~ 36 hours of 40C heat or fermentation won't happen as good as it should (or even not at all if it's too dry) and making sure the cob is not too wet during the next 30 days sealed in tightly wrapped cling wrap and a plastic bag or mold might happen.
Unwrap and check the cobs (just one from each batch is sufficient, no need to open all of them if they were made at the same time from the same buds) every few days then later every 4 or 5 days. If the cob feels slightly cold and damp then it's probably a good idea to let them air out for several hours in a mid to low RH room or until the cobs don't feel cold/damp obviously, do not use heat to dry them as it's too easy to over dry them). Smell the cobs when checking too, cobs that need to be a little drier will smell damp.
I have to laugh at you guys talking about trying cob making in manure and goat skins.......lol..I suggest getting good at cob making by using controlled heat/moisture/vacuum as per Tangwena's method then catch a goat and buy a shovel. I wonder that maybe cobs are not buried in clay or hard soil or under manure piles but are instead buried in very sandy soil, I also don't think that manure and urine from cattle play a role in the fermentation, the Malawian cob makers probably bury the cobs where they are safe which would be inside their walled compounds, the fact that their animals are kept there at night is probably incidental...but that's just me stoned musing about it.
There seems to be not that many videos about cobbing in Malawi on you tube and not that many first hand historical accounts of it when google searched (apart from ganja sites talking about Tangawena's method)...and what is out there is short on details. Some mention that cobs are buried, some accounts say the cobs are put in the ceilings of the huts. Some videos show the cobs being wrapped with damp but smoke-able early picked leafy bud then sold...has anyone seen videos from Malawi that show buried cobs?. I wonder if cobs were mostly buried in the ground to ferment or maybe this was not a common way of doing it but since it was documented once years ago so now everyone refers to it and says that's how it's done in Malawi?
anyway, one thing is for sure, Tangwena was a clever fella to work out how to make cobs with the lack of information that was out there. Tangwena please tell us about the first ones you made and how you got to perfect the method, that would be interesting.
and have you noticed lately that fermentation is "in" right now. Who knows, maybe Brad from Bon Appetit (a chef who does lots of fermentation..he's fun to watch) will make cobs on his show "It's Alive" in the future?
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Thanks for the kind words my friend i agree with what you said i was just too polite to say it ha ha.
When I was in Malawi, Zambia and later Zimbabwe I was curious about the different cobs we used to buy but the guys selling them where very vague about how they were made.
I used to sniff the cobs taking mental note of the textures, aromas, color and effects of the dozens of different cure i came across while scoring.
I tried hard every harvest to reproduce them to no avail.
Then I bought a vacuum sealer for my fish fillets and sealed up a particularly smelly cob initially to kill the stink.
I stored it in a constant temp of about 36c for a week. When I opened the bag to check it, it had fermented.
I recognised the smell immediately from the freshly cured cobs we used to get early in the season (September).
The colors also were spot on. At the time I was getting to know some cool cats on these forums we put our heads together and between us came up with the recipe.
It has evolved constantly as we tweaked the temps, time and all the other myriad of things that go into a successful cure.
It is still evolving but we are getting some stella cures as members here, yourself included my friend all share their results.
The cobs I have seen posted from tourists in Malawi are the very low grade tourist crap that every man and his dog is selling on the street.
The cobs we are making are more in line with the gourmet cobs you only score if you know the right people.
They dont compare to the dry seeded badly cured cobs that have been posted on the net.
I hope that tells you that you are part of a developing western awareness of high class curing similar to what they have been doing in Africa since they started growing ganja.
We have only scratched the surface of whats possible believe me.
When I was in Malawi, Zambia and later Zimbabwe I was curious about the different cobs we used to buy but the guys selling them where very vague about how they were made.
I used to sniff the cobs taking mental note of the textures, aromas, color and effects of the dozens of different cure i came across while scoring.
I tried hard every harvest to reproduce them to no avail.
Then I bought a vacuum sealer for my fish fillets and sealed up a particularly smelly cob initially to kill the stink.
I stored it in a constant temp of about 36c for a week. When I opened the bag to check it, it had fermented.
I recognised the smell immediately from the freshly cured cobs we used to get early in the season (September).
The colors also were spot on. At the time I was getting to know some cool cats on these forums we put our heads together and between us came up with the recipe.
It has evolved constantly as we tweaked the temps, time and all the other myriad of things that go into a successful cure.
It is still evolving but we are getting some stella cures as members here, yourself included my friend all share their results.
The cobs I have seen posted from tourists in Malawi are the very low grade tourist crap that every man and his dog is selling on the street.
The cobs we are making are more in line with the gourmet cobs you only score if you know the right people.
They dont compare to the dry seeded badly cured cobs that have been posted on the net.
I hope that tells you that you are part of a developing western awareness of high class curing similar to what they have been doing in Africa since they started growing ganja.
We have only scratched the surface of whats possible believe me.
There were many ways I was told that they did the cures.
The cobs that were buried were enclosed in a banana leaf lined cavity under the composted manure for the constant heat they provide.
They would have never touched the compost.
I also personally saw them sweating in between the thatch on the roof of thatched grain huts.
But for how long ect is anyones guess its all very secretive most of the time due to it being illegal.
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Tang i let that cob ferment on the dash for 3 days then in a tight wrapped bag for 4 days then opened skins on one of those and the browner one was opened 6 days later. both were dried once unwrapped to a fairly dry cob skin, underneath still moist but the hard crust of compressed cob and the levels of humidity i allow it to breathe have kept the mold from getting oxygen and wey material at the same time. loose cob i would.not try in this way.
i am enjoying the challenge. many ways to skin the cat and i find once a good sweat has happened there is too much activity inside a well overlapped and tight wrapped cob for anything to happen.
I will continue to do it without vacuum due to the response! usually im onto something when people are telling me im crazy.
i have good access to both manure of all stages and skins so i will try that soon.
I definitely started this because of this thread, and based my first attempt solely on the info presented here. what a present.
i will present a manure sweated cob in a few weeks, still growing presently.
thank you for the banana leaf cavity tech.
I welcome any more presentiment! onward!
i am enjoying the challenge. many ways to skin the cat and i find once a good sweat has happened there is too much activity inside a well overlapped and tight wrapped cob for anything to happen.
I will continue to do it without vacuum due to the response! usually im onto something when people are telling me im crazy.
i have good access to both manure of all stages and skins so i will try that soon.
I definitely started this because of this thread, and based my first attempt solely on the info presented here. what a present.
i will present a manure sweated cob in a few weeks, still growing presently.
thank you for the banana leaf cavity tech.
I welcome any more presentiment! onward!
Drunken Buddha
Active member
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Has anyone tried using nitrogen in the bags or sealing the cobs in wax?
and I'm sitting here after just smoking a little cob joint and thinking about how the high from cobs is way more centered, more cerebral and definitely with lower nervous energy while still not being couchier, than the high from bud which is good but not as enjoyable, much like dry sifted resin has a way better high than the bud it came from. It's as if all THC is more "available" and different, which is (most likely) caused by what happens to the terpenes during the cobbing process.
and I'm sitting here after just smoking a little cob joint and thinking about how the high from cobs is way more centered, more cerebral and definitely with lower nervous energy while still not being couchier, than the high from bud which is good but not as enjoyable, much like dry sifted resin has a way better high than the bud it came from. It's as if all THC is more "available" and different, which is (most likely) caused by what happens to the terpenes during the cobbing process.
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While the high from cobs is good, I do prefer the high from homemade dry sifted resin. Nothing zings my forehead like that first big lungful of pure dry sift in the morning. I haven't bought hash in 20 years and from what I've seen around here, I won't be buying any for another 20. lol
Cobbing definitely makes my stash go further as everything is used. The yield on pure dry sift is very low and it gets smoked really fast too.
Has anyone tried dry sifting fresh frozen plant material made with dry ice and then put that sift through the cobbing process? It would be interesting to see the results from cobs made with dry sifted resin of varying purity. while you could add dry sifted resin (made in the usual way from dried plants) to the bud when rolling up cob, I don't think the resin itself would be affected by the cobbing process as it's dead/dry, I think the resin would need made from fresh frozen bud, air dried for a day then rolled up with bud in cobs. But if the resin contains enough plant material, then I guess you could try cobbing that dry sift by itself?
Cobbing definitely makes my stash go further as everything is used. The yield on pure dry sift is very low and it gets smoked really fast too.
Has anyone tried dry sifting fresh frozen plant material made with dry ice and then put that sift through the cobbing process? It would be interesting to see the results from cobs made with dry sifted resin of varying purity. while you could add dry sifted resin (made in the usual way from dried plants) to the bud when rolling up cob, I don't think the resin itself would be affected by the cobbing process as it's dead/dry, I think the resin would need made from fresh frozen bud, air dried for a day then rolled up with bud in cobs. But if the resin contains enough plant material, then I guess you could try cobbing that dry sift by itself?
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TychoMonolyth
Boreal Curing
I've seen the test results and THC and CBD increases after cobbing. It's probably due to a chemical reaction during fermentation. So I would expect kief would give it a good boost.
I also find the high from fermented weed depending on the variety of course enables extremely deep and sometimes amazing thoughts.
I make all my best discoveries while high.
Its one of the best effects I think.
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I've seen the test results and THC and CBD increases after cobbing. It's probably due to a chemical reaction during fermentation.
The THC won't increase once the plant is cut, much like you can't increase the amount of gold in a ton of ore, but you can concentrate it, which is probably why cobs score higher than bud on THC tests as it's denser. But it might also be partly due to that there is less loss of THC with the cob making process compared to air drying branches for weeks?
Or maybe the cobbing process makes more of the THC "available? I wonder if the total amount of cannabinoids tested on the cob and bud are similar, but the cob tests higher for THC?
I guess smarter people than me can work that out!
Happy Cobbing!
The THC won't increase once the plant is cut, much like you can't increase the amount of gold in a ton of ore, but you can concentrate it, which is probably why cobs score higher than bud on THC tests as it's denser. But it might also be partly due to that there is less loss of THC with the cob making process compared to air drying branches for weeks?
Or maybe the cobbing process makes more of the THC "available? I wonder if the total amount of cannabinoids tested on the cob and bud are similar, but the cob tests higher for THC?
I guess smarter people than me can work that out!
Happy Cobbing!
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