Making seeds from Ace FEMs

[WaterFarmFan]

It has always been my understanding that if you pollinate a female plant from a FEM seed with a regular male, then the offspring will show intersex and hermie characteristics with some pure females, but no regular Males and Females with a 50/50% normal ratio. I grew Female Seeds White Widow over 10 years ago, and it was absolute fire, but that is my only experience. Breeding techniques have advanced considerably, and I did not know if things have changed. Many thanks!

WFF

 

[FireIn.TheSky]

I find fems breed just like anything else, except for the possible higher likelyhood of females.

I think it had been determined that intersex traits come from parents that might be predisposed to intersex traits genetically not from the feminization process.

With fem seed you just have Xx but by adding the male you should get Xy

I have grown many fem seeds and only had male parts once.

 

[WaterFarmFan]

Hey Fire. That makes sense. I was curious if colloidal silver reversing, which I would guess that Ace does???, produces more pure females in subsequent breeding with regular males. I am really interested in how FEM Malawi would breed with a variety of regular indica and sativa males.

WFF

 

[Guy Brush]

I was curious if colloidal silver reversing, which I would guess that Ace does???, produces more pure females in subsequent breeding with regular males.
WFF

It won't happen. Why should it do so?

 

[WaterFarmFan]

It won't happen. Why should it do so?

I am not sure, that is why I was asking. I thought that the old style of making FEMs involved traditional stressing female plants to produce male flowers, which in my limited understanding produced more hermies if breed to traditional males, and there was a newer style of making FEMs using CS or other compounds that stress the female in a different way to produce a more stable fem line. My question was if these new techniques of making FEMs produces more stable offspring if breed with males.

WFF

 

[konopenko]

It would be better to buy standard seeds guys..dont get me wrong I never had any problems with Ace fem freebies(Im buyin only standards)..
I even made cross Panama/Malawi fem//Congo which was fine and with 0 hermies.
This fem fashion is imo instant version of ganja-hipster habit of makin life easier-consumer friendly version-feministic false flag . This market will slowly ruin regulars and one day ther gona be real genetic fiasco
We have nice habit here on Balkans, when ho behaves like man-slap her hard

 

[stoned40yrs]

Well I don't know about the negatives. I'm pretty sure Dubi advised Baked Beanz to use the Malawi fems or at least said it would be ok. At any rate Beanz has made a shitload of crosses with the malawi fems. So if you want to see some real time results of using fems in breeding then all you have to do is follow Baked Beanz two grow threads. One in this section and one on the seedbay test section. Beanz hates hermies and will be yelling loud if he finds any. I popped 6 seeds that Beanz made with malawi fem seeds, 2 males and 4 females. Beautiful plants. Anywho follow Beanz threads for breeding with fem seeds if you want to see actual results.

 

[WaterFarmFan]

It would be better to buy standard seeds guys..dont get me wrong I never had any problems with Ace fem freebies(Im buyin only standards)..
I even made cross Panama/Malawi fem//Congo which was fine and with 0 hermies.
This fem fashion is imo instant version of ganja-hipster habit of makin life easier-consumer friendly version-feministic false flag . This market will slowly ruin regulars and one day ther gona be real genetic fiasco
We have nice habit here on Balkans, when ho behaves like man-slap her hard

I only buy regular seeds, but a few months ago, only Malawi Fems were available directly from Ace, and I went with these. I agree that the FEM craze is going way to far. I think it is obviously easier for the grower, but I think that it maybe a cheat for the breeders as well, as they can see all of the characteristics of the female that they reverse instead of having to guess (and actually grow out more generations to see) about the potential characteristics of a male. Basically, a faster way to get an exact copy/combination of two female plants.

 

[WaterFarmFan]

Well I don't know about the negatives. I'm pretty sure Dubi advised Baked Beanz to use the Malawi fems or at least said it would be ok. At any rate Beanz has made a shitload of crosses with the malawi fems. So if you want to see some real time results of using fems in breeding then all you have to do is follow Baked Beanz two grow threads. One in this section and one on the seedbay test section. Beanz hates hermies and will be yelling loud if he finds any. I popped 6 seeds that Beanz made with malawi fem seeds, 2 males and 4 females. Beautiful plants. Anywho follow Beanz threads for breeding with fem seeds if you want to see actual results.

I will check out his threads, but I am more interested in science of how of an F1 offspring from a FEM seed can produce a normal rate of male offspring when crossbred. Thanks.

WFF

 

[stoned40yrs]

I will check out his threads, but I am more interested in science of how of an F1 offspring from a FEM seed can produce a normal rate of male offspring when crossbred. Thanks.

WFF

Beanz is sprouting LOTS of seeds from fem malawi. His results on male/fem will give you a good ratio.

 

[stoned40yrs]

Send him a pm and ask him.

 

[Organik]

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[gorilla ganja]

Just my thoughts. I'm no expert but here's my 420 cents on the subject.

I think that it does not matter that a fem seed is used to breed. I know a lot of people will disagree. It is more important that the parents are stable and breed true. If a hermi prone plant is reversed then yes it will pass those traits on. But great breeders like the Ace team select the best parent plants.
The female plants from fem seeds are no different than any other female plant from a genetic point of view. They will pass on the genetic traits of their parents. If great parents are used then great offspring will come of it.


Peace GG

 

[BAKED_BEANZ]

Send him a pm and ask him.

i don't need no more pm,s then i already get .....

ace malawi is stable as fuck , had them sitting out in dead winter freezing there arses off . this is the most important thing imo when using a fem strain to make seed , i did also pm dubi for his thoughts before using them over regs , and his recomendation was to go ahead .

i don't know the ratio on the malawi yet , i have experienced a few other strains grown in bulk that a fem was used as the parent and did,nt notice any higher female ratio,s . it certainly didnt stand out if there was .

what i have noticed though , is that the female plant you use to make seed the offspring tend to follow her traits if the male does,nt dominate too much . with reg seeds there more variance in the f1 females imo . don't know the math i,m not a genetics expert , just going on observations of populations .

and i,m not a breeder either ,

 

[island_organics]

Just my thoughts. I'm no expert but here's my 420 cents on the subject.

I think that it does not matter that a fem seed is used to breed. I know a lot of people will disagree. It is more important that the parents are stable and breed true. If a hermi prone plant is reversed then yes it will pass those traits on. But great breeders like the Ace team select the best parent plants.
The female plants from fem seeds are no different than any other female plant from a genetic point of view. They will pass on the genetic traits of their parents. If great parents are used then great offspring will come of it.


Peace GG

Agreed. As long as the plants used are strong, vigorous, and stress tested you´ll get great results.

 

[Guy Brush]

The male to female ratio won't change in the following gernerations, because when a plant from a feminized line is introduced to a male from a regular line everything is like before, 50% male chromosomes mixed with 50% female. Sts or colloidal silver method don't produce more hermaphrodites if the parents are tested against stress hermying. It can happen, if not tested. But to answer the question, if the method would produce more hermaphrodites, because the parents did have a tendency to do so, the offspring would of course carry this trait, if selfed (crossed to itself) even more so, but it would only produce more hermaphrodites and not females.

 

[WaterFarmFan]

Thanks for the replies everyone! I understand now that the quality of the femmed or selfed seed is solely dependent on the true-breeding nature of the parents used and not the process itself. I know that Dubi is the man, and I don't expect him to give away his trade secrets. but I really wanted to gets people's thoughts on using fems to make beans. Seems like my Malawi fems will make some nice offspring. Malawi x BOG Sour Strawberry will be nice!!!

WFF

 

[WaterFarmFan]

I found this thread to be a good read:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=287116

 

[bwoyrude]

Some time ago i was try GLR mode w/ malawi fem and others , at the end of the test in all bushes i found ripe seeds, but I did not find any bananas or other masculine signs ..
Tested a lot of variations from this cycle, - all female plants and all had seeds inside the flower clusters at the end of flowering.
Nevertheless, the effect of smoke is strong, very strong for herms, so strong that i've start to collecting all seeds .
despite the 100% "herms" problems, im very pleased with these seeds.

 

[dubi]

This is a long debate that comes again and again, fed most of the times by non sense rumors, lacking of any scientifical evidence or at least of a proper gardening experience.

I will just share my first hand experience after more than 15 years of breeding in both regular and feminized format, with many different types of genetics/lines: landraces, with highly tamed hybrids, F1s, poly hybrids, selfed lines, crossing different landraces between them, or with north american/dutch strains, .....

The % of hermaphroditism of a seed line (regular female x regular male, feminized female x regular male, regular female x reversed female, feminized female x reversed female, selfing, etc ….) always depends on the resistance against hermaphroditism of the lines and parental plants used to produce the offspring and on the genetic combination hability for each concrete case, and it doesn't depends on the type of reproduction (regular traditional or feminized reversion) per se.

You can breed regular lines with hermie tendencies, and you can also breed very sexually firm feminized lines. You also can breed very firm regular lines and very hermie prone feminized lines. It fully depends on the breeding, and not on the type of reproduction.

If you want to avoid hermaphroditism in your breeding then you need to discard all the hermie plants from your selections and populations. And even when you have produced seeds from suposedly very firm parental plants, the offspring must be tested too because sometimes there are surprises and hidden hermie tendencies can always come again in new genetic combinations, even when the parental plants used to produce the new generation were firm.

Hermaphroditism is just a trait (a very important one indeed), but there are many other important traits to breed high quality marijuana, like aroma, taste, terpene quality, cannabinoid production, chemotype, yield, quality of the effect, resistance against pests and molds, flowering time....) and i can fully confirm you that the quality (or not), stability (or unstability), character, etc .... of a line depends on the breeding and not in the way they are reproduced (traditional female x male reproduction vs female x reversed female).

Hope it helps with your doubts. Kind regards, dubi