Making frost, or lack thereof... do I need to do something different?

[flylowgethigh]

How the heck do you guys get so much trichrome frost on your flowers? I am at week 6 flowering and the frost is just mediocre, especially on the AK47 strains. Do I need to add something to the soil, like sugar water, to make sugar?

AK47 plants, smell OK, making big buds, but where is the sugar?

These two (Serious Kush and Runtz S1) are at least trying to make some:

 

[thailer]

genetics. i grew out stuff from seed before i got my mac1 cut and some other cuts that are frost monsters. as soon as i got those cuts, suddenly i was considered a good grower. i think part of the reason cuts like that are held so close is because it makes you look like a good grower when just about anyone would get results that are super frosty. even when mac1 is grown poorly, it is frosty as all hell. you should run some seeds that are photoperiod IMO and well known breeders. any of cap's beans will make frosty plants but i'm not a big fan of his stuff. its overpriced and sometimes it is just junk. bodhi has awesome plants where you'll find some keepers plus his beans are affordable.

 

[dank.frank]

To some extent, it is genetics and it is true, some elite cuts, dump frost. It is true, they can make an novice grower LOOK decent at the task - it still comes out in the end product though. That aside...it's not just genetics.

It's - ENVIRONMENT.

Cannabis has a genetic predisposition to survive. It never does anything wrong or incorrect. I always...always...presents the absolute best genetic representation of itself, given - the stimuli it is introduced to. Two environments. One surrounding the root zone and one surrounding the foliage. Control - ie, minimize variation - within the right set of protocols - and you will get basic "genetics" to LOOK great. They just won't have the punch you'd get from a properly grown and selected "elite" phenotype.

Keep in mind. Phenotype = Genetics + ENVIRONMENT. You can't get one without the other. Do not think of it as trying to grow the plant. It is exactly what it is. It is genetics and it merely responds and adapts to stimuli. Learn to control your environment(s).

Your plants diet doesn't look to be up to par given the photos you've provided.



dank.Frank

 

[Growenhaft]

Your selected genetics are very good, don't let anyone tell you any nonsense.
of course there are strains that are even more resinous, but that's not the point here. the resin content is below average in the pictures shown.

a lot of resin is the sum of correct decisions. little resin is the sum of many mistakes. if you have your climate, the nutrient supply and the irrigation method with dry / wet cycles under control, the snow comes as a reward.

when i look at your plants i would like to think that they will be kept wet for too long or foresee other circumstances in order to be able to absorb nutrients optimally. this can be due to incorrect ph incorrect nutrient content of the water and the medium. the climate also plays an important role in resin production. Without extensive information, however, it will be difficult to be able to help you in a targeted manner.

apparently you will have to improve a lot for the future in order to achieve your goals.

 

[flylowgethigh]

To some extent, it is genetics and it is true, some elite cuts, dump frost. It is true, they can make an novice grower LOOK decent at the task - it still comes out in the end product though. That aside...it's not just genetics.

It's - ENVIRONMENT.

Cannabis has a genetic predisposition to survive. It never does anything wrong or incorrect. I always...always...presents the absolute best genetic representation of itself, given - the stimuli it is introduced to. Two environments. One surrounding the root zone and one surrounding the foliage. Control - ie, minimize variation - within the right set of protocols - and you will get basic "genetics" to LOOK great. They just won't have the punch you'd get from a properly grown and selected "elite" phenotype.

Keep in mind. Phenotype = Genetics + ENVIRONMENT. You can't get one without the other. Do not think of it as trying to grow the plant. It is exactly what it is. It is genetics and it merely responds and adapts to stimuli. Learn to control your environment(s).

Your plants diet doesn't look to be up to par given the photos you've provided.



dank.Frank

This first run has been through hell. I am doing my best with VPD per the charts, however the roots are only in 7 gallon bags. Plus those plants have spent their entire life under LEDs. I am asking WHAT they look to be lacking. I have yellowing leafs but have no idea what to do. A foliar spray a few weeks ago trying to fix leaf colors ended up with burned pistils, but the AK47s recovered. Serious Kush and the rabbit not so much. I have top watered in with a kelp, alfalfa and EWC tea, some BAS top dress, langbenite, Build a bloom, and some coconut. That was an attempt to fix the yellowing leafs. After a week no change.

These have 2 more weeks to do what they will, cause I need the tent for the next ones. Those are the rejects from this batch, and who knows how they will fare. Two autoflowerted while outside.

 

[Sunshineinabag]

play frank zappa albums to flowering females

 

[FletchF.Fletch]

What's up flylow, sorry you're having problems.

It's the LEDs. The spectrum is stressing your plants. It is not your fault. The remedies would just cause bud rot. Plants want higher, much higher humidity under these new LEDs. This is no sweat in Veg, just mist them with clean plain water several times per day to counter light stress. Unfortunately, once bud development begins in earnest misting becomes increasingly risky.

I battled the same issues and eventually ditched/trashed my Quantum Boards in favor of Hortilux LEDs, no more leaf issues, tight buds, way more resin and terps.

Check your runoff ph and EC to be sure nute buildup isn't causing lockout.

 

[Great outdoors]

Didn't I read in one of your other posts you sprayed with something and got red pistillates?
If you prematurely cause your pistillates to go red you have done damage and the calyx will never ripen and produce frost. Same thing can happen from drying them out, fertilizer burn etc. Once those hairs go red she's done maturing.

 

[Drewsif]

Frost means absolutely nothing. Not just the high, I've seen frosty bud produce 0 vapor before.

 

[flylowgethigh]

Didn't I read in one of your other posts you sprayed with something and got red pistillates?
If you prematurely cause your pistillates to go red you have done damage and the calyx will never ripen and produce frost. Same thing can happen from drying them out, fertilizer burn etc. Once those hairs go red she's done maturing.

Yup, I won't spray nutes again. The AK47 pistils seems to have recovered, while the Serious Kush and Runtz are still pissed off. I made a lot of mistakes on this first run, but some things have done well. They get 2 more weeks regardless, I was just wondering if I could do anything to help them for that time.

I am in soil using a bag SWICK system, and there is no runoff to measure.

 

[Great outdoors]

Frost means absolutely nothing. Not just the high, I've seen frosty bud produce 0 vapor before.

Funny, they make hash from frost. Most all the thc in weed is in the glandular trichomes, aka frost.
Yes some weed is frosty but not super strong. That is when they have a majority of other types of trichomes than glandular.

 

[bsgospel]

Phenotype = Genetics + ENVIRONMENT.

This.

 

[Amynamous]

Maybe try using the flash on your camera. j/k

Just my opinion, but i think your buds look pretty good.

 

[Sunshineinabag]

Start chucking your own pollen brother

 

[flylowgethigh]

The leafs still yellow, and getting yellower. I top watered some fish juice and BAS build-a-bloom solution on them last night, but I think they just may be done. The water consumption has really reduced anyways. The new plan is to turn off the water to my SIP control box and let the bed dry down, which will draw down the water in the 7 gallon bags. I need the tent space for the next run which is outside under the sun getting too bushy. This is only day 50 in flower. I need to move on to the net run.

Serious Kush

AK-47 skinny leaf

Runtz rabbit

AK47 fat leaf

 

[Sunshineinabag]

Also some trichs are smaller...x60 scope is jn ordr

 

[Cuddles]

How the heck do you guys get so much trichrome frost on your flowers? I am at week 6 flowering and the frost is just mediocre, especially on the AK47 strains. Do I need to add something to the soil, like sugar water, to make sugar?

AK47 plants, smell OK, making big buds, but where is the sugar?

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These two (Serious Kush and Runtz S1) are at least trying to make some:

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hi fly, what do the pics from the seed seller/breeder look like? Are they frosty white - if not don´t worry about it
some are sugary, others are not but more colourful.
I´ve wondered about this stuff as well in the past during flowering so I just check out the photos

 

[flylowgethigh]

Thanks Cuddles, but remember the unhappy childhood these plants had. My misdeeds and torture on these poor plants are the problem. I will never foliar spray nutes again. The big tent has the water turned off, and will have to live on what is in the bed and soil, which is a lot. They are drinking less lately. Maybe more stress will make the bitches get busy and make. Either way, their time in the tent is limited, cause I have plants outside that need to come in. I am tempted put one of the AK47 under the sun to see what happens, but I suspect all it would do is make mold.

I cut a few small buds off and vaped them. Got me higher than I was, tasted like chlorophyll.

Time to move on. Next run pulls at the end of next month, and I still have plenty of dope that I bought last year.

 

[aridbud]

How the heck do you guys get so much trichrome frost on your flowers? Genetics, my friend.

 

[JustGrowing420]

Why are you in a hurry? Bringing up two times your next run. Just focus on this one for now.

Stressing about the next run and you're only 50 days into flowering? Certainly won't help you make the best decisions you are able.