lower a soil ph with plants in it

[Tonygreen]

My uncle was a sewer man too big to fit in the catch basins, started putting on the rubber suit and climbing in em when i was ten, we would scopp em out with coffee cans and haul off in 5 gallon buckets. Ah the memories lol...

Anxiety over replanting lol...

Like touching a hot stove now lol.

Everything seems in line to support life, lets see...

 

[slownickel]

Love the new message below WARNING...

 

[Tonygreen]

Fox Farm replied to my inquiries and told me EC is not important for soil, only fertilizers. I asked what their target ec is in the bags,,,

Last bag I'll buy.

We used to add dolomite to control the super low PH, not many think about the affects of too much mg...

 

[slownickel]

Fox Farm replied to my inquiries and told me EC is not important for soil, only fertilizers. I asked what their target ec is in the bags,,,

Last bag I'll buy.

WTF?????? Call back and ask to speak to the manager. Demand a refund and ask if they would like to pay damages for not informing you on the bag (what does the bag say?).... anything?

 

[Tonygreen]

Bag only mentions PH not EC, most "premium" potting soils will mention EC with a +/- % I found.

 

[Tonygreen]

Thanks for contacting FoxFarm regarding Happy Frog Potting Soil!

We do not have NPK analysis or PPM/EC values available for any soil offerings as they’re soil mixes and not fertilizers.

Keep in mind that all FoxFarm soil offerings are pH balanced right out of the bag in the range of 6.3 – 6.8.

 

[Tonygreen]

Is that as lame as it seems to me or am i over reacting lol?

 

[slownickel]

That is very irresponsible. Do you have a lawyer? A good lawyer should have a field day with that one.

 

[Tonygreen]

I got a sack of leftover shit that is 2.0 ec I got some sprouts or weeds or something coming out of so I guess it isnt completely toxic lol.

Question, when I grow a huge plant will the soil EC drop as it grows?
One of these bags has trended up to about 1,3 ec. (the peat?) Will that go down before its time to flower if i dont feed in vegetative mode?

 

[Slipnot]

just throw that bag into a pile of shit add compost and a table scraps some top soil / dirt and keep watering it before you know it that stuff will be gold
oh i almost forgot hahaha dont forget to add 20 pounds of GYP

good luck going after fox farm as in a law suit unless you got hundreds of thousands to throw away which they will run you broke well before court date knock it off as a learning exp

so much easier making soil from scratch peatless

 

[slownickel]

Slip,

We'll figure out the gyp application in a while, looking forward to your commentary.

Tony, realize that conductivity is greatly increased by N. It really depends on what that conductivity is made of. You had an anaerobic environment, partly caused by all the Mg in there and everything accumulating.

To a certain extent Slip is demonstrating that more is not better. Trying to keep a soil or medium open with fiber is only going to work so long before it breaks down and becomes a soil, in which case it needs to be fed and in one way or another aerated.

At 20 lbs of gyp by the way, we will be trying to beat Caterpillars world record of 38 tons/ha. where he has those 12 foot high plants. Don't tempt me Slip, haha.

Here is a wonderful article, done for the Gov't, for some silly reasons, but none the less, they serve us an amazing expample of what I am discussing.

Take the table 6 THC levels and then pencil them into table 3 foliar calcium level which obviously corresponds to the soil analysis in Table 2, (and I will tell you that the Ca% of bases in that sample is above 80% when calculated, 83% if I am not mistaken). What you will see is quite clear, no mistake. Up to 5 and 6 times more THC where the Ca was highest in the base saturation.

There is only one way to achieve this every time and that is with an analysis and tweaking your numbers with real objectives and numbers in mind.

Good reading!

 

[Slipnot]

i suggest calcium nitrate if you want to grow 20 footers Nix the gyp and go with other inihibitors

 

[slownickel]

Some serious table scraps coming out of your house Slip!

 

[Tonygreen]

One week since transplant.
Tossed my spare cuts since they are off to the races, they were plunging from the cups into the dirt like crazy.

Thanks everyone for helping me get over the hump this time. Everyone has been helpful. Havent watered the actual pot yet just dribbles for my cup cuts, you can see the soil still has some moisture from where i took out the cups. Its not super wet but more humid like under there.

 

[slownickel]

Now we're talking!

 

[oti$]

Go tony! I'm over here on my bucket rootin' for ya

 

[VortexPower420]

Fox farm is shit.

I walked in to a hydro store one day ( one of the 3 times a year I have to go) and the rep was there trying to explain why their pallet of dirt smelled so bathe guys at the store were telling him that it smelled so bad they had to leave it out side. The smell of rotten eggs took over the store.

His response was this is totaly normal and is a natural process of it breaking down. He said they mix the soil and then pallet it. The smell was the nutrients becoming available.

I told him he didn't know the first thing about soil biology. That's sulfur smell is anaerobic breakdown, if is creating alchohol a presertive and will be very toxic to plants.

He tried to defend his place bit he knew nothing about biology.

Fucking sales People.. Fuck fox farm and fuck Monsanto.

 

[MrBungle]

fox farms dirt ain't the same as it used to be, I'll be the first to admit... but if you use their products properly you can get some fine smoke... I wouldn't call them the best.. but I wouldnt condemn their company or the people who use it either.... If someone is in a pinch or just starting out... They have great gear for that.. and they sure ain't monsanto (unless they sold out to them, and I haven't seen the press release)

 

[VortexPower420]

They sold out go them about 5 years ago.

Now Scott's miracle grow is starting to buy up the market. They have bought botanicare.

 

[Coughie]

They sold out go them about 5 years ago.

Now Scott's miracle grow is starting to buy up the market. They have bought botanicare.

Scotts Miracle Gro / Gavita / Botanicare / General Hydroponics
Bayer / Monsanto

... Who has a business partnership with GW Pharma...
As well as business partnerships between them ; Scotts Miracle Gro & Bayer
... And close relationships with the DEA..

(And if you look into cannabis patents.. You'll see GW Pharma all over the place)

Yep, the same folks that 'save you' are the same folks that will start to get you sick in the first place, by controlling what you (do or dont) eat...

They don't want you to get better, they want you to not know why you feel like hell... Then they want to give you a medication with side effects worse than the issue you're trying to cure, so that you take that med for a while and end up with another 'condition'..

Which they'll have another medication for, with more side effects - which, if you watch, they'll tell you what you should/shouldn't eat while you're on these medications..

Try and kick the med, and you'll withdrawal.
Or get sick again.
Or both.

And they're even ballsy enough to administer the medications through doctors who openly admit they're only practicing.

You think they call it 'a practice' because it sounds professional?


A lot of people think it's a 'money thing', when it's really a 'control thing'..

Wait until they not-only start to patent their particular GMO/non-GMO seed varieties and begin the war against organic seed and seed sellers who don't sell their patented seeds...

When all the commonpeople can find are their patented varieties to plant, even if they're smart enough to grow their own food, they're still 'feeding the beast'..


And the best part, they'll do it all while claiming its "for the benefit of _____" - the world, you, etc....


They're just tightening the noose, now.



Admittedly, I addressed this a little severely.. But don't consider this from Today's perspective... Put 100 years on it, and think about what this will look like in 2116.. We die from many things, but these corporations and their controlling manners - they don't even die of old age.

I'm not seeing anything that says Fox Farms sold out to anyone though....