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Low yields, need some help. So i have a 400w Hps for flowering and i flower at least
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the bigger the roots the bigger the fruits.. so bigger pots.. and bigger plants produce more buds..
and plant count deff makes a difference.. if u want the most out of ur room . do a SOG. clones into cups.. then into 1 gallon grow bags.. then into 2 galon bags 2 weeks before flower.. allow the plants to fill that 2 gallon bags for about 10-14 days.. then flip to 12/12 and u should get a better harvest.
and plant count deff makes a difference.. if u want the most out of ur room . do a SOG. clones into cups.. then into 1 gallon grow bags.. then into 2 galon bags 2 weeks before flower.. allow the plants to fill that 2 gallon bags for about 10-14 days.. then flip to 12/12 and u should get a better harvest.
Joe Guy is spot on about using LST to keep your bud growth close to the lights. With a 400 watt you only have a growth zone of about ten vertical inches where there is enough light intensity/penetration to form fat dense buds. Everything below that is entering larf territory. Doesn't matter how tall the plants are, under a 400 it's the top ten inches where you'll have your heavy bud. Train your plants to pack this grow zone with budding sites.
And yes, clone, clone, clone. This eliminates the genetic variability factor so that you can focus on environment. And of course it lets you pick and replicate the best plants. When your seeds give you a frosty bitch you'll want to grow her more than once.
If you don't have clones but would like to keep a plant, be sure to leave some growth down very low. It won't make for smoke-able bud but it leaves some growth sites for after harvest so that you can re-vegetate the plant.
And yes, clone, clone, clone. This eliminates the genetic variability factor so that you can focus on environment. And of course it lets you pick and replicate the best plants. When your seeds give you a frosty bitch you'll want to grow her more than once.
If you don't have clones but would like to keep a plant, be sure to leave some growth down very low. It won't make for smoke-able bud but it leaves some growth sites for after harvest so that you can re-vegetate the plant.
Medicatetoday
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What strains are that? Looks very good!
Im doing Lst too in this grow...
I will clone this time!
Nice distance from the girls...
How many weeks in flower are they?
I will take some pics and you will see my plants are bushy , i just dont know why the yield sucks...
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joe guy
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Good call on the merge explosive k++ on that
But the strains are a Cali clone only cut called chery pie (GDP) Dom cut
And a strain called PBK I got from a strain horder and some bag seed (said KENs sky walker og ) but I've never heard of ken runnin a sky walker lol but that's clinics for ya lol but nothing but fire from all so far
May e he was a noob cause I didn't want to smoke the flower I gave it to my brother I just took. The seeds cause I've never ran a seed before... Sorry for he ramble
Oh yeh and they just went in to week 6 for the pie and pbk and week 10 for the walkers
I've learned to stage the week difference between the two so they are done at the same time...
But the strains are a Cali clone only cut called chery pie (GDP) Dom cut
And a strain called PBK I got from a strain horder and some bag seed (said KENs sky walker og ) but I've never heard of ken runnin a sky walker lol but that's clinics for ya lol but nothing but fire from all so far
May e he was a noob cause I didn't want to smoke the flower I gave it to my brother I just took. The seeds cause I've never ran a seed before... Sorry for he ramble
Oh yeh and they just went in to week 6 for the pie and pbk and week 10 for the walkers
I've learned to stage the week difference between the two so they are done at the same time...
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joe guy
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Medi that last post just made me think
Bushes are bad under a 400 I pluck mine from week one of veg.
As soon as I start pullin them over I start pullin leafs.
It takes a bit to get the hang of a proper LST but so dose he art of growing medicine. That's why goods go for 20 US dollars for a gram.
Just never take more than 15 maybe 25 percent of a plant in any givin week...I'm for sure go a catch some neg rep for sayin that but that's how I farm and my pix prove its not a wrong way to do it ,
Choose your own path my friend I can only offer what I know
And goes to you trolls out there that are Gona give me shit for it
Bushes are bad under a 400 I pluck mine from week one of veg.
As soon as I start pullin them over I start pullin leafs.
It takes a bit to get the hang of a proper LST but so dose he art of growing medicine. That's why goods go for 20 US dollars for a gram.
Just never take more than 15 maybe 25 percent of a plant in any givin week...I'm for sure go a catch some neg rep for sayin that but that's how I farm and my pix prove its not a wrong way to do it ,
Choose your own path my friend I can only offer what I know
And goes to you trolls out there that are Gona give me shit for it
I would do it a bit differant. I would do some lollipopping.. This way you do not need to worry about any lower bud growth. All of the energy will go to the top. you can fit more under your light. Maximize your grow area. You can still veg min 30 days.. do not top see what ya get and compare...
Definitely trim.
Best advice I ever got was to trim everything past the first three nodes on EVERY branch in the optimum light area. Chop all the budsites from below that point and any sucker branches less than 1/8th in diameter.
Make sure that 10" of optimum light is only lighting up the buds on top. All that crap under the leaves is just that... crap. You'll have plenty of 'trim' without the under-larf down there.
I'd also look at that that 85F if your humidity is below 40%. I run between 15-25% humidity and anything over 75F doesn't work well and impacts quality pretty heavily.
Any pics of the end plants before chop? Could tell if you're overfeeding or whatnot that way.
Stay Safe!
joe guy
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Agreed with hammer on lollypopin them ladies as well I do remove my larf as well what dosnt look like its Gona be nice dense flower pull it off no reason to keep it.. We're not doin this to grow leafy garbage.
This guy hammer head is a mans brain to pick thru llota knowledge he has way more than me.. I must disclaim this I've only been doin it for 2 years so keep that in mind lol
Medicatetoday
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Medicatetoday
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Definitely trim.
Best advice I ever got was to trim everything past the first three nodes on EVERY branch in the optimum light area. Chop all the budsites from below that point and any sucker branches less than 1/8th in diameter.
Make sure that 10" of optimum light is only lighting up the buds on top. All that crap under the leaves is just that... crap. You'll have plenty of 'trim' without the under-larf down there.
I'd also look at that that 85F if your humidity is below 40%. I run between 15-25% humidity and anything over 75F doesn't work well and impacts quality pretty heavily.
Any pics of the end plants before chop? Could tell if you're overfeeding or whatnot that way.
Stay Safe!
Thank you for the help! No pics sorry
Im gonna try to take some now on.
I'd go read everything there is on HST, LST, and the effects they provide as far as making all the 'bud sites' Primary sites.
I'm NEW and my first grow was just 2 plants under T5HO 432watts.
Made just under a pound for the 2 plants... AK47s
You've got to keep ALL the bud sites within a foot of the light, I was told. I ran mine under a piece of wire fencing (2"x4" holes).... Nothing was allowed under ther wire as far as leaves or buds. Made an old time 'Flattop' out of them. 2' x 4' footprint. Used Botanicare Pro Grow, and Pro Bloom, as directed. Only add was a tsp of molasses every other week or so.
Soil was Vermafire.
I'm a dummy. Just followed directions, and it seemed to work. Smoke'n AK47.
Oh... and NO leaves were spared unless they were growing from the Colas. ZZ Tops said "We're growing bud, not leaves."
Take a look here.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=252477
It ain't rocket science. It's a weed. It'll grow if you don't baby it too much. lol
I'm NEW and my first grow was just 2 plants under T5HO 432watts.
Made just under a pound for the 2 plants... AK47s
You've got to keep ALL the bud sites within a foot of the light, I was told. I ran mine under a piece of wire fencing (2"x4" holes).... Nothing was allowed under ther wire as far as leaves or buds. Made an old time 'Flattop' out of them. 2' x 4' footprint. Used Botanicare Pro Grow, and Pro Bloom, as directed. Only add was a tsp of molasses every other week or so.
Soil was Vermafire.
I'm a dummy. Just followed directions, and it seemed to work. Smoke'n AK47.
Oh... and NO leaves were spared unless they were growing from the Colas. ZZ Tops said "We're growing bud, not leaves."
Take a look here.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=252477
It ain't rocket science. It's a weed. It'll grow if you don't baby it too much. lol
Medicatetoday
Member
One thing I should add;
My biggest problem was to keep from overwatering, especially when they were young and not yet root bound.
The old rule applies;
Do not water until the dirt feels dry down to the first knuckle of you finger.......or about 1". It's really hard to keep from 'loving' them to death... or at least stunting their growth.
Once they are 'root bound' this is not nearly as big a problem, because they are drinking about a qt a day each, in 3 gallon pots. But it could be as little as a qt a week when they are smaller.
And don't burn them when young; As with any plant, they are sensitive to over fertilization when small/young. Two out of four seemed to NOT like even the amount of nutes, that were in the Vermafire! The other 2 grew like,,,,,,,, well Weeds.
Mine were only 16-18"s from pots up. Not intentional, just shorted the veg a bit. AND they didn't stretch as much as I anticipated. lol Initially, I was concerned that they were going to be too tall. Ended up having them on Homer buckets with an OSB shelf,, to get them high enough to work on easily in a seated position.
My biggest problem was to keep from overwatering, especially when they were young and not yet root bound.
The old rule applies;
Do not water until the dirt feels dry down to the first knuckle of you finger.......or about 1". It's really hard to keep from 'loving' them to death... or at least stunting their growth.
Once they are 'root bound' this is not nearly as big a problem, because they are drinking about a qt a day each, in 3 gallon pots. But it could be as little as a qt a week when they are smaller.
And don't burn them when young; As with any plant, they are sensitive to over fertilization when small/young. Two out of four seemed to NOT like even the amount of nutes, that were in the Vermafire! The other 2 grew like,,,,,,,, well Weeds.
Mine were only 16-18"s from pots up. Not intentional, just shorted the veg a bit. AND they didn't stretch as much as I anticipated. lol Initially, I was concerned that they were going to be too tall. Ended up having them on Homer buckets with an OSB shelf,, to get them high enough to work on easily in a seated position.
Medicatetoday
Member
One thing I should add;
My biggest problem was to keep from overwatering, especially when they were young and not yet root bound.
The old rule applies;
Do not water until the dirt feels dry down to the first knuckle of you finger.......or about 1". It's really hard to keep from 'loving' them to death... or at least stunting their growth.
Once they are 'root bound' this is not nearly as big a problem, because they are drinking about a qt a day each, in 3 gallon pots. But it could be as little as a qt a week when they are smaller.
And don't burn them when young; As with any plant, they are sensitive to over fertilization when small/young. Two out of four seemed to NOT like even the amount of nutes, that were in the Vermafire! The other 2 grew like,,,,,,,, well Weeds.
Mine were only 16-18"s from pots up. Not intentional, just shorted the veg a bit. AND they didn't stretch as much as I anticipated. lol Initially, I was concerned that they were going to be too tall. Ended up having them on Homer buckets with an OSB shelf,, to get them high enough to work on easily in a seated position.
Really nice advice!
Thank you for your time
