Looking for a HARD HITTING 2lb+ outdoor strain (seed)

[Purple Jungle]

What's growing on fellas?

I am planning for my 2016 outdoor grow. I am shooting to produce 50kg (100lb). I have plenty of space and water in the woods, the climate is perfect.

I want to grow 4 different strains. One that I have decided on for sure is GDP. The second one that I am pretty certain (but not set in sote) that I'll grow is Purple Dream (GDP x Blue Dream).

I need to choose 2 more strains for variety and safety in terms of reputation.

1) I need one strain, hybrid preferably on the indica side, that is known to knock your dick in the dirt and is a heavy yielder. I've been out of the game for a while. Previously, the go to strain was Serious AK-47.
Is that still the case? What are some new classics that do the job?

2) And another pure/heavy indica dom strain that gives you the 'fuck you, couch lock time!' type of high


Strains that are were the list, but I am hesitant about are: Candyland, DJ SHORT GRAPE KRUSH, Purple Power, Blue Dragon.
I could possibly change Purple Dream for Grape Krush, but we'll see.

I am in Europe, so seed only...

Looking to get some serious responses from you vets!

 

[St. Phatty]

I think Romberry from Freedom of Seeds is often overlooked.

Romulan x Blueberry.

Great smoke, Indica leaning.

 

[Purple Jungle]

Thank you sir, added to the list.

Meanwhile I discovered Sour Power, but it is out of stock everywhere.
Sour Diesel is an option I guess, is someone selling the real deal?
Hawaiian Snow and Kali Mist are also being considered.
Ghost Train Haze #1 fem - unsure if I should clone a fem and plant it outdoors?

Now exploring indicas...

I am still hung up on:

GRANDDADDY PURPLE
PURPLE DREAM
GRAPE KRUSH

+ BLACK DOMINA - but it seems to be best suited for indoors & it seems that only 1 pheno is really worth it, can't afford to explore phenos too much right now unfortunately - still very much on the list...

 

[Al Botross]

UK cheese if started at first of year indoor then put out on mothers day, last 5 years i got between 7 and 9 lbs per plant when using the MOAB/Hammerhead combo during the 3rd quarter of flower cycle, But they stunk up an entire neighborhood for weeks.

Since you're in europe

You could get

Clones
Uk or Psychosis Cheese
The Core Cut -either its amnesia Haze or SSH {All would be huge
Whitefire #43 (i believe i heard Karma had released it in Europe)

Your GDP (but remember 1# or less per plant)
GDP/Blue dream (you need to make sure its a BD dom Pheno)

But straight BlueDream would be better(It easy and a huge produce if done right)
Blue dream is a huge producer but a weak burnout high only after a couple day of smoking
The candyland would be killer but i haven't run outdoor My impression is she would be a pest magnet.



FYI GDP as most 100% indica top out at 4' and somewhere around a pound, romulan, grapeape and Id bet the grape krush.
where the cheese was over 12' and bent at that height and the circumference was 18'

 

[BAKED_BEANZ]

if you want to grow this sort of weight first thing you do is put triple the amount you think you need . not sure of Europe's humidity ? but gdp isn't very tolerant of humidity . you may want to take grape crush of your list it won't yield . you seem to have an interest in grandaddy gen ,bay lotus gets huge big yield .

your soil will be the deciding factor on how many pound per plant you get

oh and 100pound =45kg .

 

[Purple Jungle]

Thanks for the replies. They helped me to pinpoint what I am going for.

Basically, I want to grow one, possibly two purple strains - GDP and probably Candyland (less for the purple, more for cookies). I still like Grape Krush a lot, but I think I’d rather go with GDP based on the hype.

On 2 of the 4, I am willing to sacrifice yield in favor of either taste and bag appeal / popularity or exceptional potency (Black Domina supposedly).
And I want to grow two serious strains that are sure to smash your brain and become a mutant when you take good care of them.

I’ve grown a purple strain once before and it was the shit. It was back in 2004 and to this day everyone that tried it remembers it. That’s why I am getting GDP. I am willing to do the extra digging and planting. Btw, humidity is not a big issue here overall. My climate is northern Spanish / northern Italian.

The reason there’s another Granddaddy strain considered, actually two - Purple Dream and Candyland, is not because they are Granddaddy’s, but because these two seem the only ones that have legit californian genetics - Girl Scout Cookies and Blue Dream. They must be overhyped for a reason, right? (Purple Dream is out now in favor of Candyland, thanks Al Botross!)

So, two strains for mass appeal and two real deal strains.

Honestly, I am clueless as to what to get as since the legalization movement took off things have been developing with light speed apparently and I am late for the show. It seems to me that everything that’s proper good is either clone only or fem only.
As I said, all I could think of is AK-47, which should not be a bad choice (I spoke with my man in Holland he says AK still rocks) but I am pretty sure you guys have moved on to something newer.

Hence, I would love your input. Thanks for the help.

p.s. what’s the deal with HSO? If you spend more than $150 on Herbies you get a ton of bonuses from them. They seem to be active on the scene, but their whole line seems funky.

FREE: 1 X HUMBOLDT BUBBAS GIFT FEMINISED SEED, 2 X HUMBOLDT 707 TRUTHBAND FEMINISED SEEDS, 3 X HUMBOLDT AMHERST SOUR DIESEL FEMINISED SEEDS, 10 X AFGHANI REGULAR SEEDS

 

[BAKED_BEANZ]

i wouldn't go getting your head stuck in the sand over grandaddy gens and i,m not sure legit is the word i,d be using if i was bringing up grandaddy gens either, they can't seem to get there story straight on what there gear is crossed with half the time .( don't get me wrong i,m not a hater i,ve tested some and its been good) i,d take anything bodhi over just about anything these days . i think they fit the bill for what your looking for . some research on his gear may provide you with some answers there,s a couple of threads in the seedbay sections that get updated regularly.

there,s also a thread in this section with BEST US BREEDERS . lots of legit good options mentioned in it . hope thats helpful. you may also want a US based seed bank rather than the one you mentioned and they may even get a mention in your research . good luck .

 

[Al Botross]

FYI kens GDP is GDP x Salmon creeck big bud so it can get quite bigger than 4' and Ive gotten 5#s from Kens that was in a corner that got the least sun, so for what its worth.

 

[ForestBuds]

What stock GDP is from? Coniessur Genetics has excellent GDP S1 that will turn completely purple. Yield and effect was not bad.

I would go with Purple Dream. Blue Dream is easy to grow and yields huge compared to my Grape Ape clone and GDP from seed. Blue Dream crossed to GDP sounds like a winner to me. The final result will mainly depend on how it was bred and what lineage it came from.

 

[Two12sKnockin]

I have run most of the strains you are considering. i ran 9 strains in a light dep including 2 phenos of phantom cookies which is very similar in genetic makeup to candyland, and while the quality passed as indoor in a snobbish marketplace, the yield was worst of the 9 strains I ran, by far. Would not recommend. Unless you have a very picky marketplace in which you need cookies for your product to sell, its not worth running even if you can tack a few points onto each unit. Other strains can yield so much better that they can be punted for less and still have superior returns. You specify wanting yielders and cookies are notoriously poor yielders, more geared toward incredibly picky saturated marketplaces. Not what you are looking for.

I think purple dream is a good choice for you if you can handle the longer flo time in your climate. You will almost certainly find a few purple phenos.

Blackwater is a good producer and ive seen it go very purple.

Ak47 is a solid producer, but i found the quality to be just okay. there are many better strains available theae days. I am not impressed with black domina and would not recommend it.

Sour and chem hybrids are typically very loud and usually yield quite well, if you can handle the flower time of purple dream you may consider these options.

I have not personally run purple power but it has rep of being shwaggish quality. Purple dream is a better choice.

I have done dj blues and dj true blues and they both were high quality and both went purple, but bot yieldes poorly. His strains are known for quality but not yield typically however he released azure haze which is his version of blue dream, a notoriously large yielder. This strain has won some awards, you may consider it if you are going for yielders.

One of the best pieces of advice that i can give you is to diversify more than 4 strains Unless you have a very specific demand in your marketplace. You may find pests such as caterpillars or mildew may hot one strain hard, and for each strain to have trouble that represents 25% of your total crop affected. I would personally probably do 10 strains on that scale unless i intended to dump large packs to a client that wanted many of same variety. Diversity is usually a good thing in most respects.

Just throwing my two cents on your plans. If you want more specific strain suggestions just ask. Sorry if i rambled a bit, hope some of that helped.

 

[Two12sKnockin]

Also, you may consider erdpurt or pakistani chitral kish from ace. I have had very good experiences with ace and these are indicas that will go purple and perform well outdoors. You say you want a stong indica, violator kush from barney consistently rocked my world in the indica category. Also, dr atomic northern lights is classic and very good quality indica, but very dense so if humid beware of mold and mildewm Just some options to consider.

good luck on your adventure

 

[Purple Jungle]

Thank you for the awesome replies!
Just a quick post.

Currently I am leaning towards:
GDP
COOKIES or another hybrid that's known to be killer. I am trying to find something that's more indica, but not necessary.
PURPLE / BLUE DREAM or Azure Haze - sounds good, DJ's Blueberry is supposed to be the shit, right
and
GREEN CRACK possibly, but it's only available in fem. So, that's the new consideration for now.

Any feedback on GC?

Another thing that I started realizing is that I don't feel comfortable dropping too much cash on seeds. I could afford it if convinced, but times are hard (therefore this project).

I am even considering using fem seeds instead = cheaper female clones + more variety in strains

That being said - GDP, HSO and Bodhi seem to be my best options. I am yet to research Bodhi more.

As for the climate, mold etc. The comparison for you guys would be Northern California, I guess, same latitude, a mix between sub-tropic and continental.

So, I think I should be fine with Blue Dream?

Sometimes it might rain for a few days in October and you'd be like "Shit, I was at the beach the other day", but generally it's just like mid September, just more breeze. Hell, we even had 25C / 75F last week.

 

[BAKED_BEANZ]

hso gets a bad wrap , i found some of there strains nice. you want big yielders the lemon thai gets massive and stinks like squeezing lemons . its good strain if your on a budget , like you say .

research bodhi bit more , check out the outdoor threads if you haven't .

 

[Purple Jungle]

Dude, I can see why "Thanks to their broad experience doing research and developing elite clones, the Humboldt Seed Organization team has managed to obtain high-quality seeds" hahaha, ^this while everyone knows that they self clone only's...
I can't be bothered with this right now though, I need genetics

 

[Al Botross]

green crack was originally called Cush and was first passed out by Texas Kid and is CLONE ONLY so makes since your looking at GC s1, Green Crack is rally a pleasure to grow for me, Both GC and J-1 for me are pest and disease resistant. I have grown it OD but It never is as it is indoor, Has a unique baby food/baby poo smell, Green Crack never got huge but wasnt hard to get a low wide bush 2.8# - 3.6# per plant. And its unique enough that when buyers have OG, diesels, Cookies they'll pick it up just cause its something different. I find it easy to unload.

If you look up YesProp215 recent post you can see how well dome OD cookies could be.Blue Dream is a popular OD cash Crop strain on the hill in Humboldt, because for the most part its easy to grow and is very productive.The trick with BD is sell as much as you can on the first sale cause only a small group will want more

 

[Purple Jungle]

I hear that. Thanks for chiming in again!

I can't find the post you referenced, do you recall the title of the thread?

 

[Al Botross]

I searched but cant find it either look through here https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=277900&page=24


Or possiblily the GG4 thread

 

[Purple Jungle]

OK, after lots of diggin I found this https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=7230793&postcount=12454

Would you say Ken's Cookies are cool (it says Genotype: Bay Platinum Cookies x GrandDaddy Purp which seems too watered down) or what cookies representation should I go for?

 

[Al Botross]

I dont care for cookies myself, and I really dont know enough first hand about kens Cookie to comment. But That group had similar pics last year and it was cookies to the best of my memory. If it was my cash i think i go with Relentless

But unless its a pure indica you should be shooting for something like that crop picture with anything your trying for large volume.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=7230800&postcount=21343 second picture

 

[Two12sKnockin]

PJ has a different marketplace where blue dream as not been played out yet so i think it will be an excellent choice and he won have trouble getting it off.

GC is an excellent strain imo, i think only true reason it isnt in circulation much anymore is that like bd it has been played out. Good yield and fast finish, loud n fruity. Good choice.

Remember your thread states you want yielders. Gdp is not a yielder and cookies is worse. If you only want 4 strains i would not risk more than 1 lower yielder tho frankly i wouldnt even do 1.

You need to really ask yourself what your priorities are with strain selection, and what the demand is in your marketplace. If you want beefy yielders, forget about cookies. Its largely hype, low yield, and you dont live in a place where it is demanded. Again, basic economics: even if you got 500 more per box which you wont because it isnt in demand there, you are better off going with a high producer.