(( LoKey's 1020 tray, 161w cfl micro closet cab ))

[LoKey]

well took some shots of those two girls we started following , the first is the safari mix clone, its gonna be interesting to see how it finishes as i know it still has at least 4 more weeks to go



the the next is one of the floor seeds (safe bet to say its a JS x either JS or M#1), it was green in the previous pictures but as i said it was throwing on some color, but by how its going i say probably another 3 weeks or so.



So around mid November i would say all the seedlings will be done, with possibly the clones as well (i know they are a longer flowering strain).

as for the new 3 batch of clones they have all put on 2" in the last 3ish days, so were in for a ride, the bushier safari mix clones (SMA), i think will live true to being bushy, cause their axial shoots are growing quicker than than the other safari mix clone (SMB) which is more concerned with putting on more nodes on the main stem than growing the axial shoots (which it changes in about 2-3 weeks).


Side note, the one runt seedling from the first batch, that i more or less just let it do its own thing, and was gonna toss if i badly needed room for new clones or seedlings, turns out to possibly be a definite keeper, reason being it has a pure fruity candy smell (still haven't placed a likeness to what, its kinda a mix of candy grapefruit, oranges, and mangos and nothing else), honestly makes me drool and want to eat it, so hopefully ill be able to reveg it and its clones prove to be alot better yielder's than its mother is showing now (slow start and put into flower too soon, but needed to be done), and that smell retains and is a good smoke once cured, but here's to positive thinking

 

[DrFraiserCrane]

sounds like you have a great plan going on with all your plants. Im really diggin the one floor seed. I like that coloring alot, I cant wait to see how that turns out. I have 4 different strains going right now and I just got a pack of Subcool's Chernobyl. Im very excited about sprouting those as the description sounds amazing and the pictures look purplish just like your floor seed. I wanted to be done building the new box by tomorrow but I might have it done by Sunday latest, I've had alil more work than I thought this week. When its done, Ill show you pictures from your inspiration and all my different strains. I cant wait. Everything looks amazing on your end and I hope you keep up the good work. Keep Growin & Be Safe

 

[LoKey]

Im really diggin the one floor seed. I like that coloring alot, I cant wait to see how that turns out.

When its done, Ill show you pictures from your inspiration and all my different strains. I cant wait. Everything looks amazing on your end and I hope you keep up the good work. Keep Growin & Be Safe

thanks, yeah the coloring definitely wasn't expected but it looks cool, have two more seedlings that are changing color as well, one, was a lanky pheno that im not gonna carry on (lack luster, and it might be herme prone (self pollinated itself, but weird thing is it popped like one maybe two balls at the very beginning and then became female, i just missed a ball).

And the other one im gonna keep around for another round but its just turning color now slowly, but i think it will end up a deep deep purple.

but its all interesting to watch.

would love to get some more genetics, but one i dont have alot of room and two i have enough seeds as is to go through, so i cant justify paying for more genetics.

But i have my list of what i would love to try (joey's c99, apollo11, cannacopia's lapis mnt indica, mandala beyond the brain , satori and possible 8 mile high..

so who knows might have to build a second version of the cab lol.




and im looking forward to seeing what you have built/building, and will definitely follow what your doing

 

[PanchoBuddah]

I like how your grow is coming along Lokey.. keep it up.

 

[LoKey]

Thanks Pancho

Well here is my weekly update.

The cab is completely full, well the flowering section anyways, ended up moving two new clones into flowering today, still have two more than can be flowered, but they aren't at there start heights yet, and two i don't have room, so im just waiting for some males to possibly pop up or, i might do an early harvest of a runt clone that was started too small and wasn't back to full veg mode before i put it back into flower.

As for new batch of seedlings currently i have 2 left of each of the three verities i germinated (so 6 total out of the original 9) none of them are showing preflowers yet, except for the three early males that popped up which were culled, so we still might have a couple males in the mix.

Other than that we have another 3-4 weeks to go on the first batch of seedlings and clones, so im getting excited.

here are the pics



Im also starting a new album in which we will follow singular plants through their flowering cycle.

so here is a Safari mix clone at DAY 1, it should take 9-11 weeks to finish, and was started at 5" tall (week or so of veg after it rooted)

 

[LoKey]

Well have 3 definite girls in the latest batch of seedlings, but still waiting on the other 3.

Also i harvested the one runt clone that was 6 weeks into flower (will probably come up with less than a gram with it, as it was definitely not started at the right height and a couple other factors) but i did that just to make room for a sister clone that hit her starting point.

I still need one more spot in the flowering section, as i have one clone almost ready to go (probably ready by tomorrow), but i have one weak looking seedling that might potentially get the axe if all the rest turn out to be female

That will leave my veg section will only the couple mother plants in it (and maybe a clone or two from the last botched cloning attempt. But ill probably take cuttings from the mothers in a week or two so ill have some fresh clones to go into flowerings when i harvest the first batch.


And a side note for myself, the new soil mix has brought in abit of minor mold issues, so it either came in with the compost or peat moss (doubt the coir) so ill need to half sterilize the soil that im trying to clone in, and will need to let the containers dry out a bit more between watering to let it die off or at least subdue it more so, even though its not a problem for anything past the cutting stage, but better safe than sorry

 

[bendoslendo]

First off, great design and execution bro. Well done.

I would predict a marked improvement of quality (bud density) and quantity if you raised your plants up closer to the lights when they are smaller, dropping them down as they grow.

I've read what you've posted about wanting long stretched out colas so light can reach bottom buds. As suggested by SoMeGuY1337, light reaching the bottom buds in your setup is virtually non-existent, even if they appear to be well lit. Concentrate your foliage and subsequent bud sites where they can utilize the light better, and you will see improvements on yield. Try it just as an experiment, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

 

[LoKey]

First off, great design and execution bro. Well done.

I would predict a marked improvement of quality (bud density) and quantity if you raised your plants up closer to the lights when they are smaller, dropping them down as they grow.

I've read what you've posted about wanting long stretched out colas so light can reach bottom buds. As suggested by SoMeGuY1337, light reaching the bottom buds in your setup is virtually non-existent, even if they appear to be well lit. Concentrate your foliage and subsequent bud sites where they can utilize the light better, and you will see improvements on yield. Try it just as an experiment, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

thanks for stopping by and actually im trying it this way for this latest batch of clones so i have a good base line to go from for comparison, cause in the past i have raised them up to the light for the initial weeks of flowering.

But one thing i have noticed but don't have a conclusion on yet is that doing it that way it will make them more compact as you say, and they do grow quicker/better initially as they are receiving more light but the plants don't grow to their environment as well comparably, cause your consistently moving the light further and further away (with respect to the soil line) causing the plant to try and get to the light (like tying a carrot in front of a hungry horse), where as if its left alone (e.g. started on the floor) the plant gets to decide how far it want to grow up to get to what it considers optimal light concentrations before it starts to grow compact, and all that is achieved in the first couple weeks of flowering

Now that's talking only about plants in a short micro environment as were only talking 16-17" total possible plant height in my case, but its a completely different thing if your running more intense lights and or bigger plants/containers.

So saying that i don't necessarily want long drawn out colas, its just their not dialed in yet, and its easier to just leave them on the floor than to try and raise each plant individually or at least in groups (was thinking an adjustable shelf on one side), and in reality ill take them in any shape and or form, its just with a micro sog i need them to stay kinda cylindrical or at least hopefully within their approximate container dimensions, so its easier to manage and doesn't become a rats nest.

Also most of the drawn out colas you might see in the pics are seedlings(which are also in smaller bottles), and to me that's a different situation compared to clones, cause one you don't know the appropriate starting heights for a height restricted grow area, and you don't know how much they will stretch, or if their gonna be compact, airy, lanky or bushy, and in my experience clones grow differently than seedlings in a micro environment as they don't get to veg long enough to go to asymmetrical growth because of height restrictions, so im willing to take a hit on yield on an initial seedling run to avoid a possibly nightmare later, and i still get a rough idea of what i want to keep for mothers, which get further refined after i run them in clone form .


But to be truly effective my flower section could be about 3" or so shorter, cause you are correct in that the light getting to the very bottom is hard in this setup cause they are packed in pretty tight.

So to bypass that problem, i have and will be stripping the lower 3-5" of nodes off the clones (minor lolly popping), so the tops can be more dense and compact, and will lightly prune so they stay somewhat within their containers dimensions(airspace).


Its not truly efficient or ideal, but its all one big learning experience for what works best for this grow environment.

So you will see me raise some clones up in the initial weeks of flowering, just so i can come to a definite conclusion as to what works best for this environment.

 

[DrFraiserCrane]

Hey hows it going bud? Congrats on the females and good luck on the remaining plants. Are you still looking for a male or two to make more seeds or are you past that just focusing on the females? Either way its looking very nice and efficient still. I think you should def give your semi-lolly popping idea a go. I think id be easier than trying to raise all the flowering plants in different stages and would help send nutrients to that main cola hopefully making fatter and danker nugs. How many plants are you flowering right now, it looked like 12 but I remember seeing you say you wanted to flower 10. I just got done staining my box tonight, and everything is installed and drying. Ill be taking pictures and posting them tomorrow in the design section. I put a 150w hps in the flowering room along with 2 23w 65k cfls along the top for added spectrum then a 2ft t5 with another 65k light along the middle to support undergrowth when the plant is ripening up. I cant wait to get it into use. Well good luck dialing things in & im sure every harvest will prove to be better than the last.

Keep Growin & Be Safe

 

[LoKey]

Nope not looking for any males at the moment, just good females as i still have around 230 seeds, and would like to have a separate box for males and breeding purposes.

As for how many plants are in flower ? the short answer is 21

The long answer is i originally planned on 10 when using the 2 liter bottles, but the plants would have probably became very unruly in my space using them, so i opted to use smaller 1 liter bottles as i think they are more efficient, and are so far working very well. The 1 liters allow me to fit 18 in total, but i only plan to be running 15 normally as it will leave an extra row for if i want to run some seedlings or have overflow room for longer flowering strains. But right now i have only 8 plants in the 1 liter bottles and the other 13 which are all seedlings are in smaller 710ml bottles as the smaller size tends to keep seedlings more manageable, but their smaller size has allowed me to fit in 21 plants in total.

Its more than i want but is fine till all the seedlings are harvested and i can revert to a normal cycle (thinking 3 in every two weeks)

Ill definitely be checking out the pics of your cab once you post them.

Thanks, good luck, and you stay safe aswell

 

[bendoslendo]

Your definitely right, I can imagine it being a pain with seedlings, each with its own growth characteristics. Good luck with the clone grow!

 

[LoKey]

updates for the week, well gave everything a trim the other day, so the 2 week old clones look a little thin, but will fill out in no time.The seedlings are stretching as well, so they are keeping pace with the last set of clones. Other than that we have about 2-4weeks left before some are ready for harvest

here's the pics



and here is a shot of the clone that we are following, its currently at 7 days flower, and has double in size, so its 10" right now, also the lower nodes were removed to promote denser top growth later on.

 

[LoKey]

forgot to add, but out of the 6 new seedlings we had left, all were girls, but only 5 are in the flower chamber, i bumped one back to veg as i didn't have room after putting one clone into flower

 

[DrFraiserCrane]

awesome update......the two plants on the left in the flowering chamber are really tall....im sure they arent stretching anymore and just filling out huh. You can really see the color changing even from that pic. Im glad everything is looking good. I just got done taking clones of all my plants and I can't wait to start growing in my new box. Im hoping to have a journal going by friday but it could be sunday maybe. Well everything looks great & keep up the good work

Keep Growin & Be Safe

 

[LoKey]

the two plants on the left in the flowering chamber are really tall....im sure they aren't stretching anymore and just filling out huh. You can really see the color changing even from that pic.

yes two of the three plants on the very far left are very tall but stopped stretching at least 4 weeks ago, after you hit about three weeks of flower then don't really stretch anymore (well other than pure sativas), but they actually have had there stems pinched and folded over, and are now tied to each other in a big X fashion just to keep them bent over enough so they don't hit the lexan, but have been that way for weeks.

As for the color yeah some of them are really coloring up, and the thing is that photo of the whole flowering section washes out alot of colors that aren't green, so anything that looks to have a bit of color or some color is in fact a very deep purple, but ill grab photos of all the plants right when i harvest them and take some good shots.

and looking forward to your journal, btw once you hit 50 posts you will be able to upload bigger photos and can have alot more of them


side note: most of the fresh batch of seedlings put on alot of stretch between some internodes so they are gonna be pretty weak as far as yield goes, but i know i hadn't vegged them long enough before i threw them to flower, but had to anyways due to space, so oh well

 

[LoKey]

well being miserable outside today, i tended the plants a tad more than i normally do on mondays (typically only a watering and any trimming that needs to be done) but i noticed that the seeds on the one plant that self pollinated itself looked like they were possibly done, so i decided to pluck a seed or two just to see if they were mature, well they were so i plucked all the seeds ended up with 22 very dark tiger stripped seeds. What am i gonna do with them who knows, but they will be used somehow.

the background story on the plant is that the very first preflower was male when it started showing sex but then it went full female, so i plucked the one ball and figured i would leave it for harvest but not continue the genetics unless it was exceptional in some form, because of potential risk of hermies, but unfortunately i missed one ball (ended up being two not one) and noticed it just in time to not create a problem for the rest of the cab but it self pollinated the node it was on and the one below it when i plucked the ball at around 3 weeks of flower, i noticed that is what happened because when i plucked the ball i saw a tiny bit of pollen go into the air and seeds growing a week later, so i just decided leave them till harvest.

But what i have read, definitely could be wrong here, but plants that start out male and go female are a very rare thing compared to normal female to male hermies, and that they don't exhibit those traits as much if at all in later offspring, so as far as i know i might have some possible natural safe-ish Fem/clone like seeds.

Im interested to see if that's the case but don't want to risk this cab, so they will probably eventually be either given away to someone where i have told them that info, grown in a separate cab if i make one for breeding projects, or will be grown outside in some guerrilla fashion.

 

[LoKey]

Well i think were closer to harvest than i estimated, as i decided to take a closer look at the trichomes today as some of the plants had swollen calyxes and their hairs were majorly brown if not all brown on some of the plants, but we have around a 30-40ish % cloudy with the odd amber here and there, and other plants are just starting to go cloudy and are still showing new calyx growth, so im gonna leave everything to sunday minimum, and if things are looking good, some plants might get the chop then.

So by the look of the other plants potentially another week or so after sunday i would think most of the first group of seedlings and clones will be coming down. Then ill be revegging the majority of them to be potential mothers, depending on how they smoke after a good cure (going go for a month min), which by then the mothers should potentially be back in normal veg growth and possibly be ready to give up some clones

 

[LoKey]

well chopped the girl that the seeds came from (not worth taking a picture), but looking at the rest of the plants, ill be leaving at least 3 seedlings (possibly all 6) and the 2 clones for another week.

Even though the majority of the trichomes are cloudy, i dont think they're done yet well except for one seedling as there are no new or white pistils and the calyxes are all swollen, so it cant grow much if im not seeing any new or somewhat new growth on it, cause if new calyxes are being made then it can grow more, well up to the point the trichomes are ripe, and we chop them.

but currently 1-3 might get the chop sunday

 

[LoKey]

Well with what i see, and what i feel, only one plant could be harvested today, but i dont need the space yet so im leaving them all for another week, i think one or two plants might still have another week past that but we will see.

As you might notice the flower chamber doesn't look as full as it one did, its because i went lumberjack on the young seedlings asses, and threw them back to veg (mmmmm stress), as one i don't really care to much about them, but second the yield on them was gonna be very low, so the plan is to reveg them and throw them into the bigger bottles and put them into flower just like i would clones, just so i get a better harvest off them.

Still learning and working out what works best for me with this setup, so oh well. As for the couple of clones that survived from the mold/dampening off situation i had from modifying my media, they will probably be ready to go to flower next week (they would of been ready for this week if it wasn't for that problem). Now the latest batch of clones is doing go so far, i ended up just taking the soil i was gonna use for cloning and sterilizing it slightly in the oven, and so far no mold or dampening off has happened, when everything else is the same, so its looking positive. More than likely they will be ready to go to bottles in a week, as that is when i might have some room in veg at the moment, but then again the harvested girls will needed to revegged (some of them) so the seedlings might just bite the bucket.

well here are the pics of the cab and the one clone ive been taking shots of




and here is a pic of the one were following, its at day 14 and at 14" tall, you will notice the bottom fan leaves and nodes were trimmed as im trying different methods to see what works best, Now i miss calculated the start heights a tad as the ones that have now hit 3 weeks are very close to the lexan, so much so when they bud out they will be touching, so all their tops are tied over slightly now, so next week this clone will probably need to be tied over as well.

The start height with trimming the lower nodes needed to be at around 4.5"-4" instead of 5", but now i know

 

[LoKey]

oh heres a shot of the one girl that showed color early, she isnt bulky but sure is beautify, if i can reveg her, i know i will be able to grow some big dense nugs out of her clones, with better care than how she grew this round (my soil mix and everything else is already leaps better)

Under natural sunlight her leaves are a deep black with a minor purple/red overtone, would love to grow her outside (one day if i can reveg her)