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[think_fast]

DDG,

To repeat what BJW is saying - it might smell a tad during the first week (if you use such amendments as neem cake, alfalfa, kelp, and other 'smellies') but that's mostly only when it's being agitated and under your nose. After a week or so it will turn sweet. I wouldn't taste it though. Then again, I probably will some day...

 

[DuckDuckGoose]

thanks blue jay and think fast, and cc for answering my questions. i will be using the neem cake because i know of it's benefits against pests. it was a little difficult to source but i found some for around $80 for 25kg. sounds like an okay price at around $1.45 a pound, but the sales rep said that after december 31st in canada neem may not be available... i think if you live in canada you may want to stock up on neem products just in case. i double checked what the sales rep said and i found an article that confirmed his info http://www.icangarden.com/document.cfm?task=viewdetail&itemid=9484
think i may buy a large jug of neem oil while i'm there. also says EM may get pulled too...

 

[DuckDuckGoose]

correction, to above post, article states that unregistered products like EM may come under scrutiny faster. i guess the ban on neem has been in the works for some time. probably poison makers lobby to have it removed, who knows. still gonna try and get some EM and stock up on the neem cake too.

 

[ClackamasCootz]

DDG

Will Karanja oil and meal be included on the neem ban? That could be an easy route around this. The differences are minuscule - comes down to different form of a Nimbin derivative which has nothing to do with growing plants.

That price you were quoted is very fair. $1.45 per lb. is actually on the low end at least here in the states. Delivered price from the USA distributor of the organic products is about $95.00 for 44 lbs/20 kg.

CC

 

[DuckDuckGoose]

CC
to be perfectly honest i have no clue, but when i go purchase the neem cake on monday i will make sure to ask if Karanja oil is also getting banned. i was not even aware of Karanja oil as an alternative so that is good to know. i didn't even know neem was used as a soil amendment until i started reading the threads. i've been learning so much that i am confident that my grows from now on will be organic living soil. time to take off the training wheels and throw away my ph meter.

 

[ClackamasCootz]

DDG

Neem orchards go back several centuries whereas the Karanja trees is found in the wild or planted around homes. For all intents & purposes, these two trees and their harvest are interchangeable.

One advantage to using Karanja oil vs. Neem oil is that it is not nearly as viscous making emulsifying an easier process. Plus colder weather doesn't render it into a heavy syrup like Neem oil.

Here's who I would call to get the total story on the ban: Ms. Usha Rao at The Ahimsa Foundation (dba NeemResource.com). Her company handles the neem & karanja exported by Parker Group India which is the largest entity in the neem industry and they only handle the premium grades of these oils and meals. She would definitely know what the upcoming changes will be.

Great resource for other technical information as well. She does her job very well.

CC

 

[think_fast]

DDG

Will Karanja oil and meal be included on the neem ban?
CC

I'm wondering if this ban includes neem cake or if it's limited to neem oil? I'm also wondering if the ban is only targeted to products that sell neem as an insecticide.

I knew those devils who sent me a brochure of the ANCIENT history of this plant were actually working for Satin himself! An 8 thousand year plot spoiled by Canada's heroic team of pest management detectives?

I don't know...

 

[ClackamasCootz]

20 years ago W.R. Grace spent more than a few million dollars trying to control the production and distribution of Neem tree products.

They lost......

 

[DuckDuckGoose]

20 years ago W.R. Grace spent more than a few million dollars trying to control the production and distribution of Neem tree products.

They lost......

I think they fund this website, i wouldn't be suprised if it was them or another poison factory...
http://pesticidetruths.com/toc/neem-oil-insecticide/
according to this nonsense website it is against federal law to recommend neem for use against pests. can't recommend it verbally or in writing so i guess every single person in the indoor gardening industry is equally guilty, and everybody on this site that doesn't blast eagle 6 million or whatever. the website seems like something a troll would put up...weird.

 

[think_fast]

DDG,

It's not registered. Why don't you get it? Not registered = not cool. Kay?

...and you'd think caps lock should've been enough.

 

[ClackamasCootz]

DDG

I checked the Domain Name against the WHOIS Database which by international agreement must provide to the general public the information on who owns & maintains a web site. This one is pretty funny.....

Domain name: pesticidetruths.com

Registrant Contact:

Will Ng ()

Fax:
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Administrative Contact:

Will Ng (uncleadolph@hotmail.com)
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Fax: na
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Saint-Sauveur-des-Monts, na J0R1R0
CA

Technical Contact:

Will Ng ([email protected])
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Saint-Sauveur-des-Monts, na J0R1R0
CA

Status: Locked

Name Servers:
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Creation date: 24 Jan 2011 00:09:00
Expiration date: 24 Jan 2013 00:09:22

Uncle Adolph using a Hotmail account. Maybe this was a class project at 'the home' for the mentally challenged

CC

 

[W89]

LMAO

 

[ClackamasCootz]

NEEM: A Treatise - K.K. Singh, Suman Phogat, R.S. Dhillon, Alka Tomar

The present edited volume Neem A Treatise provides a comprehensive and authoritative account of this wonder tree Neem (Azadirachta indica A. Juss). An excellent reference text, it offers a versatile and indepth account of occurrence, distribution, ethnobotany, uses in agroforestry, silviculture and social forestry, cultivation and improvement of neem, propagation by tissue culture, chemical constituents and their bioactivity against micro-flora and micro-fauna, disease, stored grain insect-pests, enhancing fertilizer use efficiency, neem in health and cosmetics, various therapeutic uses such as malaria and vector control, contraceptive, ancient veterinary medicines, uses of neem bark in dying cotton fabrics and steps for promoting neem and its cultivation. Hopefully, this book will be very useful for researchers of various disciplines such as botany, forestry, chemistry, toxicology, agrochemicals, soil science, agronomy, entomology, plant pathology, medical and veterinary science and to the environmental conscious farmers of developed and developing countries. The present book includes 37 chapters broadly divided in 8 sections contributed by eminent scientists working on different aspects of neem. An attempt has been made to present as many aspects as possible.

Neem: The Divine Tree Azadirachta indica (Medicinal and Aromatic Plants - Industrial Profiles) - H.S. Puri

This comprehensive review on neem is an excellent collation of observations and research efforts by botanists, taxonomists and medical practitioners and will be of interest to everyone with an interest involved in medicinal and aromatic plant research.

About $350.00 at Amazon.com and Uncle Adolph could actually know something rather than suffer through life depending on what he thinks or feels.

No one ever claimed that education is cheap......

 

[IncredibowlBoss]

I've been playing with neem for the past couple weeks - used to avoid it because I hated the smell - accidentally got it in some cuts when i was prepping an IPM neem tea and was surprised by how fast they healed, plus I'm getting used to the smell, so I decided to experiment with novel forms.

Side note: for those of you who REALLY like the smell, neem is evidently a potent spermicide, effective for up to 5 hours after inserting a neem-soaked rag in the vagina for 15 minutes.

Right now I'm trying to create an essential oil from 1/2 cup of neem seed meal, 1/2 cup of olive oil macerated in glass jar. After a week or two, I'll strain the oil into a new jar, add another 1/2 cup of neem seed and repeat. At some point the oil will hopefully stank like neem.

The plan is then to emulsify this lipid extraction with a neem tea to produce a liquid that has both the water-soluble and fat-soluble constituents of neem.

 

[greenmatter]

I've been playing with neem for the past couple weeks - used to avoid it because I hated the smell - accidentally got it in some cuts when i was prepping an IPM neem tea and was surprised by how fast they healed, plus I'm getting used to the smell, so I decided to experiment with novel forms.

Side note: for those of you who REALLY like the smell, neem is evidently a potent spermicide, effective for up to 5 hours after inserting a neem-soaked rag in the vagina for 15 minutes.

Right now I'm trying to create an essential oil from 1/2 cup of neem seed meal, 1/2 cup of olive oil macerated in glass jar. After a week or two, I'll strain the oil into a new jar, add another 1/2 cup of neem seed and repeat. At some point the oil will hopefully stank like neem.

The plan is then to emulsify this lipid extraction with a neem tea to produce a liquid that has both the water-soluble and fat-soluble constituents of neem.

great side note ........ i guess there are uses for einstien oil that are not on the label

 

[ClackamasCootz]

IncredibowlBoss

2 compounds from both Neem & Karanja oil, Nimbidin & Nimbin, are used in birth control medicine in both China and India. Ironically it has the same effect on insect's reproductive efforts.

Biological Activities and Medicinal Properties of Neem (Azadirachta indica)

Department of Physiology
Indian Institute of Chemical Biology
Kolkata, India

CC

 

[Gascanastan]

Visual busyness..

 

[greenmatter]

guys i need help!!!!!

please check the FPE thread!

expert advice and smart ass comments are welcome

 

[DJSHADOW]

must read all pages...subscribed!

 

[think_fast]

Does anyone here have experience with small pots? It seems like with greater experience running ROLS the tendency is to move towards no-till. I think I get that. However, I'm not in a position to switch over to no-till atm, a combination of reasons including inconvenience, inexperience, stubbornness, laziness, etc. I understand that more volume = greater variety = more reliable, sustainable soil. But is this a necessary outcome of living organic recycled soil?

Can this, or has this, worked for anyone using very small pots, such as 3 L (about .8 gallons)?