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Living organic soil from start through recycling
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MrSterling
Holy fuck folks. I ran into real world "veganics". Was talking with a commune in India whose project is restoring some native forest. Then they drop on me how veganism is strictly enforced on their land and that they farm without animal manure or worms. "Tell me more about doing twice as much work as I need to" I didnt inquire.
MrSterling
There is a huge difference between 'real world veganics' vs the tripe from Kyle and his intellectual entourage on using bottle 'nutes' to grow pot.
There is a huge difference between 'real world veganics' vs the tripe from Kyle and his intellectual entourage on using bottle 'nutes' to grow pot.
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MrSterling
Either way. If I was attempting to restore forest and prevent desertification I'd want manure in my arsenal.
Cc quick question. What's your suggestion on gypsum additions for container soil? Also does anyone else really like the smell of gypsum?
Cc quick question. What's your suggestion on gypsum additions for container soil? Also does anyone else really like the smell of gypsum?
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MrSterling
Either way. If I was attempting to restore forest and prevent desertification I'd want manure in my arsenal.
Cc quick question. What's your suggestion on gypsum additions for container soil? Also does anyone else really like the smell of gypsum?
Cc quick question. What's your suggestion on gypsum additions for container soil? Also does anyone else really like the smell of gypsum?
Mr.Fastcast
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Hey man,does anybody know where to get Oyster shell at? I've looked everywhere,and can only have it shipped for around 36.00(large bag) You can't get it at the hydro store,and you know why.
I've even looked at the feed store also.Maybe I should stop trying to be so frugal.Just wondering if there's something I'm not thinking of.
I've even looked at the feed store also.Maybe I should stop trying to be so frugal.Just wondering if there's something I'm not thinking of.
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MrSterling
Nothing at the feed store? Hmmm. That's where we pick up our oyster shell for the chooks.
^^^^word
Mr.Fastcast
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The stock does change though,they have broken shell,but that's it.
Mr.Fastcast
Oyster shell powder - pure Calcium Carbonate
Calcite Lime - pure Calcium Carbonate
Calcite Lime is often sold as 'Agricultural Lime' so see if that one is easier to find. It should be anyway.
CC
Oyster shell powder - pure Calcium Carbonate
Calcite Lime - pure Calcium Carbonate
Calcite Lime is often sold as 'Agricultural Lime' so see if that one is easier to find. It should be anyway.
CC
gregor_mendel
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I got mine in the form of Calcite Lime at a feed store that has none of the things we use. $8 for 50 pounds.
Sometimes the magic is what you call it. Calcite? No. Ground Limestone? Yes! Even though it says calcite lime on the bag.
Sometimes the magic is what you call it. Calcite? No. Ground Limestone? Yes! Even though it says calcite lime on the bag.
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MrSterling
GM is right. Sometimes it doesnt matter what it's Actually called. You better figure out what they have it listed in their system as.
Mr.Fastcast
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Thanks CC,that's why I've tried so hard to find OS over the years(locally)I just started using Gypsum a couple of years ago,along with Dolomite(using this alone for years)Been wanting to use the three together,as mentioned before.Wait actually I wanted to drop the Dolomite,and just use Gypsum,and Oyster shell.
I usually use three different soils:seed,veg,and flower.Been wanting to try,and skip the seed soil,and go right to veg with my seeds,but when running multiple strains you all know how that can be.
Also using Dr.Earth line to simplify things instead of sourcing all individual ingredients.
I usually use three different soils:seed,veg,and flower.Been wanting to try,and skip the seed soil,and go right to veg with my seeds,but when running multiple strains you all know how that can be.
Also using Dr.Earth line to simplify things instead of sourcing all individual ingredients.
think_fast
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MHG,
I did a quick search and wasn't able to locate this post. Do you mean to say that freezing diluted botanical solutions are effective?
Makes enough sense to me anyway, and sounds like a convenient way to have what you need ready with minimal preparation. I'll see how plants take to frozen entrees.
think_fast
I froze the concentrate but that was simply to reduce the amount of space in the deep-freezer with the other tools of the trade that I grew last summer.
HTH
CC
Calcitic Lime - pure Calcium Carbonate (CaCO3)
Oyster Shell Powder - pure Calcium Carbonate
Limestone - Calcite Lime contains Calcium Carbonate and Magnesium Carbonate (MgCO3) at 5% or less
Dolomite Lime Some Limestone deposits contain both Calcium and Magnesium Carbonates. The mineral Dolomite (CaCO3•MgCO3) contains equimolar amounts of Calcium Carbonate & Magnesium Carbonate. The chemical composition of Dolomite by weight is 54% Calcium Carbonate and 46% Magnesium Carbonate. Limestones with intermediate content of Magnesium Carbonate (5% - 35%) are clasified as Magnesium Limestones.
HTH
CC
Oyster Shell Powder - pure Calcium Carbonate
Limestone - Calcite Lime contains Calcium Carbonate and Magnesium Carbonate (MgCO3) at 5% or less
Dolomite Lime Some Limestone deposits contain both Calcium and Magnesium Carbonates. The mineral Dolomite (CaCO3•MgCO3) contains equimolar amounts of Calcium Carbonate & Magnesium Carbonate. The chemical composition of Dolomite by weight is 54% Calcium Carbonate and 46% Magnesium Carbonate. Limestones with intermediate content of Magnesium Carbonate (5% - 35%) are clasified as Magnesium Limestones.
HTH
CC
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Heliopolis
That's very helpful, CC. You never know what lingo the guys at the local feed store are using.
Helio
You might take some comfort in the fact that they don't either.
Once they do their mandatory grow store version of Tourette's Syndrome spitting out "Cal-Mag Lockout" they're pretty much spent and done
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YosemiteSam
Oyster shells are kinda a west coast thing. I think CaCO3, commonly referred to as calcite lime is way cheaper in the rest of the country.
Oyster shells may have a little chitin in them...but probably not enough to worry about the cost/environmental damage difference.
I become more and more convinced that for container growing it is extremely worthwhile to achieve base cation saturations of 68% Ca and 12% Mg...or as close to that as you can come...high cec or no.
I am probably alone in this thread...but hey, we all buy our own ticket and take our own ride.
I will agree it is not essential if you have way high cec...but essential or not I think it is best.
Sorry...been trimming for a little over a week and kinda grumpy.
Oyster shells may have a little chitin in them...but probably not enough to worry about the cost/environmental damage difference.
I become more and more convinced that for container growing it is extremely worthwhile to achieve base cation saturations of 68% Ca and 12% Mg...or as close to that as you can come...high cec or no.
I am probably alone in this thread...but hey, we all buy our own ticket and take our own ride.
I will agree it is not essential if you have way high cec...but essential or not I think it is best.
Sorry...been trimming for a little over a week and kinda grumpy.
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