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Living organic soil from start through recycling
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Coba
Correct - 100 CeC and Coir (and I'm talking about the premium material) is at 70%
So now let me show you how the game is played with numbers:
1. One could say that SPM has 50% (rounded off) higher CeC than Coir
2. The Coir industry would say that there's only a 30% difference
"Add up" vs. "Add on" - big game played in the wholesale produce industry as well.
>>shrug<<
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Durdy
I fear how far along this thread will move while I'm outta town for the next 6 days HA!
Don't have to much fun without me fellas.
Road trippin! Peace
Keep it Durdy
Don't have to much fun without me fellas.
Road trippin! Peace
Keep it Durdy
Be safe, Durdy!
Durdy
Since you're an artisan baker this formula might be of interest to you. It was developed by Raymond Clavel and other French bakers during the 1960's - pain à l'ancienne
Just run a straight baguette dough (66% hydration) and you might want to use IDY vs ADY
The big difference is to use ice cold water when mixing the dough. Just do a few stretch & folds and put it in a Cambro container in the coldest part of your refrigerator.
When you're ready to bake, remove the dough let it ferment to double as usual and follow your regular method.
The enzymes created by the cold will give you a strong Asiago cheese smell and aroma. The crust will take on a mahogany color. It's really a beautiful bread.
That's how 'Asiago Cheese Bread' is made at the artisan bakeries in Portland - a tiny, tiny amount of actual cheese is sprinkled on the top of the loaves during the final 15 minutes of baking but the actual flavor is coming from the manipulation of the yeast & flour.
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Since you're an artisan baker this formula might be of interest to you. It was developed by Raymond Clavel and other French bakers during the 1960's - pain à l'ancienne
Just run a straight baguette dough (66% hydration) and you might want to use IDY vs ADY
The big difference is to use ice cold water when mixing the dough. Just do a few stretch & folds and put it in a Cambro container in the coldest part of your refrigerator.
When you're ready to bake, remove the dough let it ferment to double as usual and follow your regular method.
The enzymes created by the cold will give you a strong Asiago cheese smell and aroma. The crust will take on a mahogany color. It's really a beautiful bread.
That's how 'Asiago Cheese Bread' is made at the artisan bakeries in Portland - a tiny, tiny amount of actual cheese is sprinkled on the top of the loaves during the final 15 minutes of baking but the actual flavor is coming from the manipulation of the yeast & flour.
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OrganicLearner
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Good luck on your journey durdy I plan to do the same some day and stock up on those beautiful 50 lbers..
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YosemiteSam
I have a couple of 2 light rooms set up. In one room I used coco, the other room a s peat mix. Obviously 2 different rooms are not going to be exactly the same...but pretty close.
The last couple of grows the peat room has outyielded the coco by 1/2 pound a light, the taste is more complex (and I think better) and the plant health is better.
The real kicker is the peat room is being tended by a guy with exactly three grows under his belt. It is literally that easy.
My coco experiment has ended. But others results may vary widely.
It just seems to me if you intend to feed the soil vs feed the plant directly more cec is a huge advantage. The way I look at it peat gives you 50% more leeway to take care of your minor screwups...it is kinda like using a bigger pot.
The last couple of grows the peat room has outyielded the coco by 1/2 pound a light, the taste is more complex (and I think better) and the plant health is better.
The real kicker is the peat room is being tended by a guy with exactly three grows under his belt. It is literally that easy.
My coco experiment has ended. But others results may vary widely.
It just seems to me if you intend to feed the soil vs feed the plant directly more cec is a huge advantage. The way I look at it peat gives you 50% more leeway to take care of your minor screwups...it is kinda like using a bigger pot.
JoeDudeGuy
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LOL - you're screwed there brother !
Not to mention providing the tools necessary for the dreaded soil pH concerns.
Real or imagined - mostly imagined
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...I used to imagine all kinds of things were happening with cannabis after dosing w/the magical concoctions one could purchase.
Superthrive was a great imagination booster when I didn't know better.
LOL....'Superthrive' ..the imagination booster.
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YosemiteSam
neither room uses a pH meter. get the cation balance close to correct and it is a moot point. or provide enough quality humus and it is a moot point. hell, the kid kicking my ass on yield does not even know what a pH meter is.
i will admit to the occasional soil test, or 1:1 soil:distilled water test just to put my mind at ease. but i use to be an engineer and certain habits die harder than others.
IME...The kid kicking your ass on yield proly got a cut off some productive popular type that would have the more anal smoker/grower trash the shit.....as is common in my world.
I trash types that yield big all the freeking time...if they do not meet 95% of my expectations they get trashed.....big names or not.
I just ditched a Chemdog that was big yielder due to being PM susceptible..on top of weak ass stems...what a mess that was. Everybody loved it..especially the kids...but I'm over dealing w/it's issues.
I may trash a big ass yielder simply because the stems aren't strong..regardless of the quality.
Typically though it's just too much density to burn nicely....on top of opening up a world of botrytis due to that extreme density up here in the PNW.
If I was a chemi guy and had no concern other than profit,I would op-out these huge yielding types after pumping them up w/Eagle 20....then again I wouldn't be that guy.
If I had the education I have now and did chemi shit like that I'd end up sticking a gun in my mouth simply due to the karma attached to human morality.
Amen to that.
I just had a conversation with my local Dispensary about tossing out the BushMaster and other similar products.
They said they are no longer using them.....
we are also talking about switching to a recycled soil system in a huge workshop for better meds and better cost.... if they decide to do it... I'll help for free!
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YosemiteSam
He is growing OG/Chem/ECSD. Chem is a big yielder but the other two are not exactly known for yield. People claim it cannot be those because of the yield.
But it is the peat and pretty close to Albrecht ratios that are flat kicking ass. I will get a pic or two.
And don't beat him up about those choices...that is what is in demand here. Hell I offered a girl some Mextiza (half Oaxcan and strong as hell)...based on the looks she said I don't normally smoke swchagg...1/2 hr later she couldn't figure out where she was (in the mall). She still prefers the hype brands...go figure. It is what it is.
But it is the peat and pretty close to Albrecht ratios that are flat kicking ass. I will get a pic or two.
And don't beat him up about those choices...that is what is in demand here. Hell I offered a girl some Mextiza (half Oaxcan and strong as hell)...based on the looks she said I don't normally smoke swchagg...1/2 hr later she couldn't figure out where she was (in the mall). She still prefers the hype brands...go figure. It is what it is.
I thought the photos from the Minnesota peat operation showed it to be quite well done. It isn't harvested with shovels. Global trade ensures that.
FunTimesIndeed
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You know what that stuff is right?
http://www.sfm.state.or.us/cr2k_subdb/MSDS/FERTILIZER_6_2_0_MILORGANITE.PDF
JoeDudeGuy
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Oh wow - YUM !
Nice find FunTimes !
Nice find FunTimes !
Funny shit...
Another one of the reasons I'm here besides just being an example of experimentation is the very organic carnal knowledge and historical lingo of the whole deal. I feel like an alien when going out into society from being holed up in a cannabis chamber garden lifestyle for decades.
I started looking at everything on a bloom and decay kind of trip...(you know the song)...while everyone else is talking about wtf happened to someones spilled milk I'm trippin on some stuff over there by those maples ya know...just living it.
Not a whole heck of a lot of people who are users or growers are educated to cannabis the way we are here. Ignorance abounds right up to a level like you mention. The only thing that prevented or caught my curiosity to learn at any time in my life,then or now was/is my own self.
The plant calls you to it or not...it's got a message and the phone is ringing. I guess it's just a matter if you hear it and decide to pick it up or not....and how far that journey takes you in whatever fashion. Quite possible some people have genetic information from thousands of years ago that syncs up w/cannabis and a relationship develops....simply due to exposure to the plant whatever many thousand years ago in our evolutionary history.
It will call you to do things for it...it works at your olfactory senses and evolutionary reward system to get to your feet...to move it around. I also have a feeling all this crazy organic stuff we strive for is possible a message from the plant of some sort. Not 'ground control to Major Tom' shit,more evolutionary in our relationship. Don't anybody ever kid yourself,it is a relationship w/the soil and the plant....you are caring for another form of life.
Kids wanna be cool though ya know..when I was 16 I wanted to impress my 'KGB' smoking buddies (Killer Green Bud...no idea what it was..proly NL) by showing up with the same stuff that was 'cool' to say aloud in the circle and get a adolescent stoner pat on the back from my pals....fucking awesome bro instant gratification.....but then some,including myself would say I'm just fucking high...and I am.
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FunTimesIndeed
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Good on you and the clinic - a tad of education can go a long way if in fact clinics are actually concerned about offering 'medical grade' cannabis. Not much of a goal with the so-called clinics in Orygun - hopefully Washington does a better job. Had the Oregon ballot measure passed it would have put the growers in a Catch-22
"Ya got the legal pass to grow and now the State of Oregon will treat this exactly like any other agricultural crop"
Be careful what you wish for when you fail to read the legal fine print
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