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ClackamasCootz

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Benares, India is the intellectual and religous center of Hinduism and Sanskrit learning. Historically is was known as Varanashi - "the place between two rivers" the Varana and Ashi that spring from the left and right foot of Lord Shiva. The Buddha preached his 'new gospel' outside the Annapurna Temple in Benares.
 

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Monsanto's days are numbered thanks to heroic efforts from the likes of Vandana Shiva and the groundswell of support for organic gardening. France just kicked em out of the country, Italy has too i believe and recently Putin has kicked em out of Russia...

http://counterpsyops.com/2012/09/26/russia-halts-imports-of-monsanto-corn-over-cancer-fears/


We have a upcoming vote on whether to label all GMO foods here in Cali. If this passes, I could see product lines coming to a screetching halt. This could be the start of unraveling them here in the states...
 
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In regards to the labeling, and maybe I have this wrong, but I thought I was reading something about a lot of the labeling for nationwide brands occur in California (I.e. Kraft foods etc) and it would be too costly to make California only labels so these labels would go out nationwide....... Maybe I mixed something up between then and now and these new brownies I'm testing out....

And on a completely different note - October issue of Acres is rockin'. Half of these articles should be cut n paste to this thread.
 

Neo 420

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In regards to the labeling, and maybe I have this wrong, but I thought I was reading something about a lot of the labeling for nationwide brands occur in California (I.e. Kraft foods etc) and it would be too costly to make California only labels so these labels would go out nationwide....... Maybe I mixed something up between then and now and these new brownies I'm testing out....

And on a completely different note - October issue of Acres is rockin'. Half of these articles should be cut n paste to this thread.

Regardless, we will know who uses GMO products.......and I can stay they hell away from them....
 

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Yeah, the Acres mag arrived the other day, what a treat. Thanks for the tip on that.

I have a question. I've been using fresh aloe vera, cut from my yard (it grows like weeds here) and the rinds and leftovers I put in my compost... but here's my question. I've tried composting cactus before, and that stuff takes a looooong time to break down. I'm curious about that, like what makes it so difficult to decompose, as well as if there's anything I should be thinking about when composting aloe vera remnants?

This thread rocks!

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I wonder if Barnes & Noble sells Acres...I'll have to check next trip, you guys keep talking up that magazine.
 
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It's worth a gander! - Acres that is...

This grower buddy of mine, he's too much, I don't have mites at all, but he had a shit ton, so I gave him the cilantro recipe, well apparently he's not much of an instructions follower lol, but he called me up excited as shit saying he went from a 90% infestation to maybe 10% overnight. He didn't soak it, but he pureed a big bunch in some water and sprayed the hell out of the plants, he said he was a little worried because it was so thick and strong LOL, every plant looked better and nearly no mites the next day, except a very unhealthy lady she just up and died. He said his ratio was probably 3:1 water:cilantro

With the aloe /fulvic / protect cloning solution, instead he just smooshed up a bunch of fresh aloe in a "cup" of water and after a little bit it seemed to get real gel like, so I guess he soaked the cuttings in that, like a 50/50 water/aloe mix and before he put them in plugs he rubbed the stems through a cut of fresh aloe, for good measure ya know..... Well I get a call a week later and holy crap he says he's never seen so many roots and perky little cuttings in all his life, he's not young either lol.

Puts things in perspective for me, it doesn't always have to be exact, ya know what I mean ;)
 

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Not all GMO's are bad... Look at golden rice... The problem is the legal aspect of seed saving, modifying for use of roundup, etc..

There is too much fear mongering for most people to make an informed decision.

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Not all GMO's are bad... Look at golden rice... The problem is the legal aspect of seed saving, modifying for use of roundup, etc..

There is too much fear mongering for most people to make an informed decision.

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I'm informed with no fear. I do despise this company and their actions. They say GMO is safe but did you know Monsanto will not serve GMO food to their employees. Fuckem. Get that shit out of here...
 

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Do you consider F1 hybrids safer or more harmful than a GMO? Why or why not, to whom and when?

"Experience, after more than 20 years with transgenic plants and their practical application on 50 million hectares farmland as well as from many hundreds of "biosafety" experiments in which bio-safety questions in context with transgenic plants have been carefully studied, led to numerous original publications and reports from academic institutions which all come to the conclusion, that there is no specific risk associated with the technology, which would exceed risks inherent anyhow to traditional plant breeding or natural evolution."


http://www.agbioworld.org/biotech-info/articles/biotech-art/potrykus.html

humans didn't "invent" this technology, we were able to identify and recreate it in a controlled environment, just like we all do with our favorite plant... Bringing non native species around the world has more grave consequences for our ecosystems...

Look into the golden rice example discussed in the link I posted for how fear mongering can lead to increased regulation which hampers hunger relief efforts

Not trying to be a contrarian, I just think it's much easier to denounce this technology with a belly full of food, than to actually come up with a better solution to global hunger and malnutrition.
 
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Chucking pollen to the wind, is cool.

Taking the gene that lets a salmon survive in nearly freezing water and putting it in a tomato so it can grow in cooler temperatures, is not so cool.

I'm no scientist, but that's my 2 pesos on the issue.
 

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I agree. Mandelian crossing can create enough issues (Gliadin protein in commercial wheat), but actually screwing with the DNA as Monsanto and others are doing crosses the line for me.

I don't believe that Monsanto and their ilk are doing any of this to help humanity. They are seeking monopoly.
 

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Do you consider F1 hybrids safer or more harmful than a GMO? Why or why not, to whom and when?

"Experience, after more than 20 years with transgenic plants and their practical application on 50 million hectares farmland as well as from many hundreds of "biosafety" experiments in which bio-safety questions in context with transgenic plants have been carefully studied, led to numerous original publications and reports from academic institutions which all come to the conclusion, that there is no specific risk associated with the technology, which would exceed risks inherent anyhow to traditional plant breeding or natural evolution."


http://www.agbioworld.org/biotech-info/articles/biotech-art/potrykus.html

humans didn't "invent" this technology, we were able to identify and recreate it in a controlled environment, just like we all do with our favorite plant... Bringing non native species around the world has more grave consequences for our ecosystems...

Look into the golden rice example discussed in the link I posted for how fear mongering can lead to increased regulation which hampers hunger relief efforts

Not trying to be a contrarian, I just think it's much easier to denounce this technology with a belly full of food, than to actually come up with a better solution to global hunger and malnutrition.
What other studies have you read on GMO food? Cause the studies I have seen does not sum up to your sources. And "OH the irony, you would praise GMO in the organics sections." Seriously dude. C'mon!! Man could have solved this world hunger stuff long ago...Unfortunately its the powers that be that truly proliferate hunger. ORGANICS is the answer to world hunger and fixing this planet that we humans try to break every month. Not GMO foods... I'm done with this one...

http://enhs.umn.edu/current/5103/gm/harmful.html
 
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I'm with shmalphy. I don't trust most gmo production, but it's companies like Monsanto and not the practice in theory that's so misguided. There's too much knee jerk reaction to them though.
 

rrog

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Personally, I'm tired of hearing about great products and then years later we find out they're not great for us at all. So I'd rather be safe than sorry. Again, personally.
 

shmalphy

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I don't think it is ironic at all. Personally, I believe in using biotech to solve problems. By that, I mean utilizing living organisms. Growing a plant was the earliest form of biotech. Brewing is another well known example that came along later. ROLS is a great advancement for our community of cannabis growers. We are just starting to understand the power of bacteria and their enzymes in synergy with plants, and those are the basic building blocks of GMO technology. A human doesn't literally "cut out" a piece of the DNA with a scalpel, they just discovered that an enzyme made by a bacteria can do it.

I understand the trepidation involved, and I am certainly not trying to be inflammatory, or defend any company or their practices, rather offering a different perspective on GMO technology in general. I know plenty of people that won't eat GMOs. I would eat golden rice, but I would pass on the RoundUp Ready Sugar Beets...
 

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Do you consider F1 hybrids safer or more harmful than a GMO? Why or why not, to whom and when?
well i have been doing just dandy will heirlooms for a good minute & enjoy saving seeds/breeding to region so my opinion would be bias..

but food allergies are already a rising problem & studies have shown GMO corn has lost its natural abilities to defend them selves..like attracting beneficial nematodes
im also not ok with some of the patenting stories ive read,nor with the amount of funds & academic energy directed towards principles more focused on supplying the world with a product then about sustainable building a ecological sound economy...

i also dont think simple "organics" is the golden ticket out of the problems we face today...the word is pretty much marketing nowa days & its not like humans never ran into environmental problems before industrial synthetic corporations snatched the torch of demand..
a little reading in the history books will show agrarian ways never fail with the quick gains but tend to come with a long long painful price
 
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