Livers aka UK Blues.

[JAWS]

my UGORG #1 hybrid work so far.

ALIEN GORG {F1-V1}​

ALIEN GORG {F1-V2}​

ALIEN GORG {F1-V3}​

BANANA GORG {F1}​

BED-ROCK GORG {F1}​

BLUE GORG {F1}​

BUBBLEGUM {09/F2} GORG​

CHEM GORG {F1-V1}​

CHEM GORG {F1-V2}​

CHEM GORG {F1-V4}​

CHEM GORG {F1-V5}​

CHEM GORG {F1-V6}​

CHIMERA GORG {F1}​

DANK GORG {F1}​

EXODUS GORG {F1}​

FRUITY PEBBLE GORG {F1}​

GARY PAYTON GORG {F1} ​

GMO GORG {F1-V1}​

GMO GORG {F1-V2}​

GRAPEFRUIT GORG {F1}​

IMPURE GORG {F1}​

LOST GORG {F1}​

MANDARIN GORG {F1}​

MONKEY GORG {F1}​

PURPLE GORG {F1}​

STARDAWG GORG {F1-V1}​

STARDAWG GORG {F1-V2}​

TRAINWRECK GORG {F1}​

TRIANGLE GORG {F1} ​

UK GORG {F1}​

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peace ..

 

[Oscar Golph]

Yeah, the ugorg seeds are not what I am about, just this particular cut Livers. Good mix though bro

 

[PetePrice]

Livers, Liverpool
Blues, Sheffield Blues

No, nothing to do with Liverpool

 

[Shua1991]

Mature leaf

Much like mature "cheese", livers will have double serrations on mature leafs and this trait is common in it's offspring.

 

[Oscar Golph]

Much like mature "cheese", livers will have double serrations on mature leafs and this trait is common in it's offspring.

I never had a double serrated leaf on my old cut, I have had it on other Variants, but livers doesn't have it.

 

[Shua1991]

I never had a double serrated leaf on my old cut, I have had it on other Variants, but livers doesn't have it.

Well this leaf is displaying it. It's very common in old skunks. All livers cuts I have seen have it, just like cheese, it's a sign of maturity in classic sativa dominated skunks. It's a subtle variance in leaf structure most wouldn't even notice. It's possible inbreeding could make it less prevelant in certain lines bred for more indica traits.

 

[Oscar Golph]

Well this leaf is displaying it. It's very common in old skunks. All livers cuts I have seen have it, just like cheese, it's a sign of maturity in classic sativa dominated skunks. It's a subtle variance in leaf structure most wouldn't even notice. It's possible inbreeding could make it less prevelant in certain lines bred for more indica traits.

Yeah, I understand what you are saying, looking more closely it does have a slight double serration, and maybe my memory isn't as great as it was, saying that, the last time I grew this plant was in around 2010 and maybe you are right, I had my comps and all records confiscated, so I don't have a reference to look at other than online, the point of this exercise is basically history, I am trying to put the story together as best I can, and trace up this plant I have in particular, which I can 100 % say is from 2008, but can't 100% say it was the cut I passed to this person back in the day, which certainly was the livers cut, anyways, thanks for the info bro here is a pic I just took

 

[Oscar Golph]

Yeah, I understand what you are saying, looking more closely it does have a slight double serration, and maybe my memory isn't as great as it was, saying that, the last time I grew this plant was in around 2010 and maybe you are right, I had my comps and all records confiscated, so I don't have a reference to look at other than online, the point of this exercise is basically history, I am trying to put the story together as best I can, and trace up this plant I have in particular, which I can 100 % say is from 2008, but can't 100% say it was the cut I passed to this person back in the day, which certainly was the livers cut, anyways, thanks for the info bro here is a pic I just took

Ime waiting on a sample test I will be giving the team whom used to knock the bud out, they are saying ( so far) that they are convinced it's is what they say, but have not yet sampled the product grown by myself and are going by the aroma the look and the fact that the guy I gave it to is The same guy they themselves bought some smoke from and seem to suggest it is, ( mky Rochdale end), we shall see

 

[Oscar Golph]

Would anyone suggest that morphology could slightly shift over time ?, I know one might see variance according to each grower/area, and I am trying to replicate how I used to grow it using hps and top fed, into Coco, but since 2008, the moms have been soil kept, so there may be some slight divergence ?

 

[Oscar Golph]

Would anyone suggest that morphology could slightly shift over time ?, I know one might see variance according to each grower/area, and I am trying to replicate how I used to grow it using hps and top fed, into Coco, but since 2008, the moms have been soil kept, so there may be some slight divergence ?

Anyways, this is the leaf strata from left to right, is top to bottom and in the 5th week of a flowering period cola, it seems that the serration development is more apparent in the later stages certainly in flower.

 

[Greaselightning]

Would anyone suggest that morphology could slightly shift over time ?, I know one might see variance according to each grower/area, and I am trying to replicate how I used to grow it using hps and top fed, into Coco, but since 2008, the moms have been soil kept, so there may be some slight divergence ?

yeh certainly ive seen this myself over the years with cuttings, the high seems to get stronger over time if you ask me, ive had one plant weaker the first time round then. stronger the next it also looked different to. like clones they look totally different then the seed plant it where cloned from.

 

[Shua1991]

yeh certainly ive seen this myself over the years with cuttings, the high seems to get stronger over time if you ask me, ive had one plant weaker the first time round then. stronger the next it also looked different to. like clones they look totally different then the seed plant it where cloned from.

This is a cheese/classic skunk trait. Usually takes about 5-6 months for the full maturity to be achieved, first harvest is usually Inferior to the second harvest, which is why you never make breeding selections on skunks based on their first harvest, or with old school sativas and their hybrids(Cheese/Livers/Blues)

 

[Greaselightning]

This is a cheese/classic skunk trait. Usually takes about 5-6 months for the full maturity to be achieved, first harvest is usually Inferior to the second harvest, which is why you never make breeding selections on skunks based on their first harvest, or with old school sativas and their hybrids(Cheese/Livers/Blues)

yeh that makes alot of sense bud, i have seen this alot with skunk type plants clones always that bit better then the seed it came from.

 

[RoostaPhish]

I think what y'all are describing is the grower becoming familiar with growing a variety. The more you grow it the better you become at knowing what it needs and when. Including when the preferred harvest time is. Especially with plants from seed. It has never been grown before and regardless if you have grown the sisters, brothers, mothers, or fathers. It is going to be different with every seed.

 

[livers Hunter Ryan]

Ime waiting on a sample test I will be giving the team whom used to knock the bud out, they are saying ( so far) that they are convinced it's is what they say, but have not yet sampled the product grown by myself and are going by the aroma the look and the fact that the guy I gave it to is The same guy they themselves bought some smoke from and seem to suggest it is, ( mky Rochdale end), we shall see

What did the team say?
Have you still got the cutt. Thanks

 

[Oscar Golph]

What did the team say?
Have you still got the cutt. Thanks

For all intents and purposes, so far, it seems to be the cut, the thing being, it's so old it isnt as vigorous as it might once have been. Although still pretty potent and very pungent, it seems slightly at odds in how i remember it personally, in growth. It hits all other markers from the old chongers, and they say it is still delicious and is "IT", i would hazard an educated guess and say it is. There are various reasons for this conclusion, but no science whatsoever lol.
Ideally it could do with being meristem washed, and re-started, but the chance of that is remote in the current climate of paranoia on the Island, unless i was to do the tissue clean myself, but ime old af and dont really want to set a lab up, although i could, it isnt economically viable as an option.

I have reversed the cut and am waiting on pollen sacs opening, we shall see how that goes.
your welcome bro.

 

[Oscar Golph]

Reversed

 

[livers Hunter Ryan]

For all intents and purposes, so far, it seems to be the cut, the thing being, it's so old it isnt as vigorous as it might once have been. Although still pretty potent and very pungent, it seems slightly at odds in how i remember it personally, in growth. It hits all other markers from the old chongers, and they say it is still delicious and is "IT", i would hazard an educated guess and say it is. There are various reasons for this conclusion, but no science whatsoever lol.
Ideally it could do with being meristem washed, and re-started, but the chance of that is remote in the current climate of paranoia on the Island, unless i was to do the tissue clean myself, but ime old af and dont really want to set a lab up, although i could, it isnt economically viable as an option.

I have reversed the cut and am waiting on pollen sacs opening, we shall see how that goes.
your welcome bro.

Nice one, Appreciate the reply. I've been trying to get my hands on the livers cutt for many of years now. I believe it maybe the livers that I used to get on the regular from a good friend in the Sheffield/tinsley area 12-15 years back, but I was allways passed it with the name blues attached.
I have gone through no-end of so called blues cutts/seed since in hope of finding a close match but nothing has compared to what I was getting back then. I still frequently find myself visiting people when they say they have blues just to be disappointed and left feeling robbed
Would be nice to no if it is even the livers I'm chasing.
If you ever want to chuck a livers cutt away then let me no where your bin is ahaha cheers

 

[Oscar Golph]

After a lot of consideration and input from various sources, and after growing out the cut under 3 differing conditions, i have to say, i am not convinced its the Livers Cut, although some disagree with me, i am sure it is not, it is a close call, but the bud structure is not the same as i remember.

Anyways, its a really great Blues from 2008 and probably a few years earlier, a bit more skunk than livers in its morphology, but it isnt the 80's Livers Cut, and is probably a Ugorg X, its a very nice Plant though for the period.
Didnt seem to like the fem process and offered nothing usable for pollen, but conditions arent great, and a bit humid and a bit low on the Par (limited area).
Soz Guys, i am still looking though lol.

 

[Greaselightning]

After a lot of consideration and input from various sources, and after growing out the cut under 3 differing conditions, i have to say, i am not convinced its the Livers Cut, although some disagree with me, i am sure it is not, it is a close call, but the bud structure is not the same as i remember.

Anyways, its a really great Blues from 2008 and probably a few years earlier, a bit more skunk than livers in its morphology, but it isnt the 80's Livers Cut, and is probably a Ugorg X, its a very nice Plant though for the period.
Didnt seem to like the fem process and offered nothing usable for pollen, but conditions arent great, and a bit humid and a bit low on the Par (limited area).
Soz Guys, i am still looking though lol.

sure looks like a really nice plant either way bud looks alot like a blues in the pics so could well be a ugorg x. maybe the ugorg blues. did i smell it bud