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Great Master,
I am very much use Maxicrop, but have *bottle* of Maxicrop liquid. Besides shelf-life issues, why better to use powder, no liquid? Or is better at all?
Grasshopper have tendency to read into things.
.canine.
I am very much use Maxicrop, but have *bottle* of Maxicrop liquid. Besides shelf-life issues, why better to use powder, no liquid? Or is better at all?
Grasshopper have tendency to read into things.
.canine.
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I big fan of Master Thai already! He speaks, makes sense. Next time buy big time American Maxicrop dry kind!!
MASTER THAI..
THANKS,, I have recently started to follow your ORGANIC threads.. I have been dieing to go organic,
I have used uretha and have a few boxes of organic stuff,, trying to make my own TEAS for both hydro and soil. I also am TRYING to do a AQUAPONIC set up.. my veggies have poped so I hope to start the show real soon..
do you have a condensed vertion of your secrets or must Grasshopper DIG?!?! LOL
for what its worth I am still reading over a few of your threads,, I like to digest all I can,,
have you ever had a prob with super thrive,, I seemed to notice a few times I used it I seemed to have more root rott prob.. it MAY have been my set up BUT,, I have not tried again,, any ideas?? (i used this in hydro)
TIA,
THANKS,, I have recently started to follow your ORGANIC threads.. I have been dieing to go organic,
I have used uretha and have a few boxes of organic stuff,, trying to make my own TEAS for both hydro and soil. I also am TRYING to do a AQUAPONIC set up.. my veggies have poped so I hope to start the show real soon..
do you have a condensed vertion of your secrets or must Grasshopper DIG?!?! LOL
for what its worth I am still reading over a few of your threads,, I like to digest all I can,,
have you ever had a prob with super thrive,, I seemed to notice a few times I used it I seemed to have more root rott prob.. it MAY have been my set up BUT,, I have not tried again,, any ideas?? (i used this in hydro)
TIA,
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Superthrive question: How to not have goddamn cap glue self to bottle between every use?
Teeth very hurting from chewing off cap every time. LOL
Teeth very hurting from chewing off cap every time. LOL
sorry.. I was meaning that I have seen a few threads by you and seemed to have LOTS of good info,, SOOO I was just wondering if you had it all in one place "so to speak"// AND (sorry just recalled my train of thought then) what other recipies you may hold. I am just trying to pick up all the info I can. I am a hungry grasshopper for INFO....
soo tell me is all your info soil based. I cought a line in one thread that indictgeted you did not recomend using some stuff (a tea i think) in hydro..
soo tell me is all your info soil based. I cought a line in one thread that indictgeted you did not recomend using some stuff (a tea i think) in hydro..
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sorry to be the bearer of bad news Master Thai...but to say that Liquid Karma is nothing more than dry maxicrop+superthrive is extemely false. Half the time, the biggest difference in store bought kelps is the source. Do you really think that Liquid Karma, Nitrozyme, Top Max, and all the others you mentioned use the same type of kelp, or the same types of extraction processes...I don't think so, that is what makes them different.
Liquid Karma for example is rich with amino acids, vitamins, aloe extract, yucca extract, carbohydrates, humic acids, it also contains aqueous and ethanolic extracts of etiolated wheat seedlings and Zea mays(whatever those are), in addition to seaweed.
Top Max...again has plenty of humic acids that aren't accounted for in your mix.
Maxicrop powder is a fine product, but it is just that... maxicrop powder. Not any different than the maxicrop liquid, other than the water has been zapped out. Mixing up your own concoctions is great...but it would take a bit more than just the powder and superthrive to equal the products you were talking about...
BTW...its only as "fresh" as your powder is. And if I had to guess I would say the stores cycle through their Liquid Karma faster than they do the powdered maxicrop. The powder will have a longer shelf life, for the simple fact that it is a powder, but I would still have to say that most shops will have fesher Karma...
Liquid Karma for example is rich with amino acids, vitamins, aloe extract, yucca extract, carbohydrates, humic acids, it also contains aqueous and ethanolic extracts of etiolated wheat seedlings and Zea mays(whatever those are), in addition to seaweed.
Top Max...again has plenty of humic acids that aren't accounted for in your mix.
Maxicrop powder is a fine product, but it is just that... maxicrop powder. Not any different than the maxicrop liquid, other than the water has been zapped out. Mixing up your own concoctions is great...but it would take a bit more than just the powder and superthrive to equal the products you were talking about...
BTW...its only as "fresh" as your powder is. And if I had to guess I would say the stores cycle through their Liquid Karma faster than they do the powdered maxicrop. The powder will have a longer shelf life, for the simple fact that it is a powder, but I would still have to say that most shops will have fesher Karma...
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only as complicated as you make it...srry I don't know how to make a tea out of this and that.
OK sorry .. about the "this and that" coment..
I ment , I have boxes/bottels of fish emultions, bone meal, HMM forgot the rest,, lots of organtics... BUT,, point was how does ONE make good home made organtic furts,, I am trying to do a wormfarm.. but its still just parts (so far)//
sorry IF I seem lost.. well I am a bit.... even good grasshoopers get lost. hehe...
I ment , I have boxes/bottels of fish emultions, bone meal, HMM forgot the rest,, lots of organtics... BUT,, point was how does ONE make good home made organtic furts,, I am trying to do a wormfarm.. but its still just parts (so far)//
sorry IF I seem lost.. well I am a bit.... even good grasshoopers get lost. hehe...
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Master Thai said:
Isn't 7 mil. 1/2 of a tablespoon? Since 1 full tablespoon is 15 mil. So, 1/2 teaspoon would be 2.5 mil. Which one did you mean? Tablespoon or teaspoon? When I make my solutions I like to make sure that it is the correct amount. Wouldn't want to go by your post and burn MY plants now would I.
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5 mils = 1 teaspoon
15 mils = 1 Tablespoon
7 mils = 1.5 teaspoons
http://www.123easyaspie.com/conversion.html
That is a fairly ignorant comment to make...there are over 7,000 different types of seaweed. Some of them are Kelp, Bull Kelp, Red Alga, and Brown Alga. Three of the most popular types of kelp that are used for horticulture are Ascophyllum nodosum, Laminaria digitata, and Macrocystis pyrifera… all three would be considered brown seaweeds.
http://www.seaweed.ie/descriptions/Ascnod.html
http://www.mbari.org/staff/conn/botany/browns/james/default.htm
Like you stated earlier, seaweed is rich in vitamins, minerals, plant hormones, and much, much more. Not all seaweeds are created equally. Some kelp beds are in areas with more water/nutrient flow, and therefore would naturally be richer in vitamins and minerals. The same premise goes for the hormone content…there are several different hormones present in seaweed: auxins, cytokinins, gibberellins…etc… Different ratios of these specific hormones is what gives different types of kelp products their individual characteristics. That is how you can have a root product and a bud product both made from seaweed.
Maybe…if you added superthrive, and amino acids, and aloe extract, and yucca extract, and humic acid, along with the seaweed, but then you would have a much more expensive alternative. Correct me if I am wrong, but when most people try and cut corners it is to either make the process easier or to make it cheaper. Your Seaweed+Superthrive+amino acids+ everything else does not sound like it would fit into either category.
I suppose if was no premade stuff, then Master Thai ’s recipe would be helpful…but alas it is not 1968, and premade stuff IS available.
Master Thai needs to get out more…
Lush growth from using LK and 100% organics..(4 of the 7 strains)
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Hello all,
Firstly, on hte Superthrive cap- I keep it clean- still drys and sticks.
As to LK- well then the question becomes is it ease or thriftyness that drives one to make thier own version of LK. I myself being one. Its not a cost issue for me or a convinience issue either but rather why buy something that I already have. Its not an issue to fill up a gallon jug and with a funnel made from a plastic soda bottle I just spoon in my dry ingredients.
I use a syringe to measure out my kelp and other bottle ferts I have on hand I may wish to add.
What is Aloe and Yucca extract bringing to the table that soy meal does not?
What benifit is Zea May extract?
Is there something in LK that no other brand or fert has?
Truely it must be the convience factor for some and not for others.
My tea I started the other night is:
3.5 liters of water (nearly a gallon- must leave room at the top of the jug)
2 tbsn fresh ewc/compost (Organics alive)
2 tbsn hi P guano (3-10-1)
2-3 tbsn of dry molassas (dried on soy meal flakes-soy meal extremely high in amino acids)
12-15 cc liquid kelp extract with 6% humic acids. (bio-genesis Kelp extract)
Superthrive at about 1 cc from time to time.
If vegging I add 7cc of alaska fish shit from time to time as needed.
So, what has Lk brought to the table I have not??
In addition, I can vary ingredients for a desired effect.
minds_I
Firstly, on hte Superthrive cap- I keep it clean- still drys and sticks.
As to LK- well then the question becomes is it ease or thriftyness that drives one to make thier own version of LK. I myself being one. Its not a cost issue for me or a convinience issue either but rather why buy something that I already have. Its not an issue to fill up a gallon jug and with a funnel made from a plastic soda bottle I just spoon in my dry ingredients.
I use a syringe to measure out my kelp and other bottle ferts I have on hand I may wish to add.
What is Aloe and Yucca extract bringing to the table that soy meal does not?
What benifit is Zea May extract?
Is there something in LK that no other brand or fert has?
Truely it must be the convience factor for some and not for others.
My tea I started the other night is:
3.5 liters of water (nearly a gallon- must leave room at the top of the jug)
2 tbsn fresh ewc/compost (Organics alive)
2 tbsn hi P guano (3-10-1)
2-3 tbsn of dry molassas (dried on soy meal flakes-soy meal extremely high in amino acids)
12-15 cc liquid kelp extract with 6% humic acids. (bio-genesis Kelp extract)
Superthrive at about 1 cc from time to time.
If vegging I add 7cc of alaska fish shit from time to time as needed.
So, what has Lk brought to the table I have not??
In addition, I can vary ingredients for a desired effect.
minds_I
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I'm not sure about the soy meal...but the aloe and yucca are both powerful wetting agents and acts as natural surfactants. The high saponin content in the yucca makes plant cells more permeable to nutrient and water uptake. When used in compost tea brewing, aloe stimulates the beneficial bacteria on plants and in soil.
Zea May extract is a fancy way to say corn extract...it contains high levels of hormones.
If you've already got the ingredients lieing around the house, then it makes sense to use them. If you don't have the ingredients it would be easier and probably cheaper to buy LK off the shelf, but that takes away from the thriftyness of it all...
Zea May extract is a fancy way to say corn extract...it contains high levels of hormones.
If you've already got the ingredients lieing around the house, then it makes sense to use them. If you don't have the ingredients it would be easier and probably cheaper to buy LK off the shelf, but that takes away from the thriftyness of it all...
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Hello all,
kokua, thats what I am taiking about- nothing you mrntioned is not already in the tea.
Now I will conceed that the proper concentrations simillar to LK are unknown but nothing new is in it that is not available elsewhere.
And again, I would use if it were not that I don't need it.
minds_I
kokua, thats what I am taiking about- nothing you mrntioned is not already in the tea.
Now I will conceed that the proper concentrations simillar to LK are unknown but nothing new is in it that is not available elsewhere.
And again, I would use if it were not that I don't need it.
minds_I
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that was some good information K. I have been also using some homade LK things. Fermented yeast(beer) kelp, corn meal, I have not found soy meal yet. I'am going to try instant potatoes. I can buy just straight fermented compost. I have EWC (Blask Gold). I have also been using a tea made with mushroom compost and steer compost mixed with seakelp. I'm getting good results from that one. I use it on my veg plants.
Hi All ! Try this: Veg soup brew...1 gal water jug PH-6.5 RO water 1 tblsp Mexican bat guano 10-2-1
1 tblsp Maxicrop liquid seaweed
1 tsp Blackstrap molasses
1 heaping tblsp of Wiggle Worm castings 1-0-0
mix together,then put in jug add 1/4 gal water, stir then add the rest of water
slowly and stir again slowly,,,then drop in the air stone hose and bubble away
for a couple days til foamy then stir let settle, then pour slowly the SuperJuice
on your plants......;>).....
Do the same for flowering, except use Jamaican bat guano 1-10-0.2 instead...
of Mexican bat guano.....ALWAYS CHECK PH LEVELS 6.5 seems to be the
SWEET SPOT for soil.....and 5.8 for cubes/hydro.....
Peace!
