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Let's see your frostiest bud!! part 2

StankyBeamer

Professional A$$hole
if u don't flower something out... at least once... or more times to dial it in, how can u tell its not a killer pheno??

just asking...
To me, it's about more than just quality of smoke. With thirty elite clone only strains, I've already got enough killer flavors to smoke a different flavor every day all month. So for seeds to come even close to making the cut, they need to be vigorous, have a good structure, nice smell on stem rub, etc etc for me to even consider flowering it. Almost everything I run stinks in veg, so if she's not loud on 24hrs light, or takes three months to veg to a decent size, it's not worth even the possibility of wasting ten weeks of prime real estate on. If I'm gonna keep something, it has to check all boxes. That way, with some selection being done in veg, I know all of my remaining phenos are commercially viable, eliminating one less variable to consider when choosing keepers. Just the way I do things, only the best of the best stick around.

To put it into perspective right now I'm running:
Verified chem 91
Verified chem sis
Verified chem d
Aerick77's chrome diesel
Sfv og
Rascals cut of fire og
Loompa's headband
Deathstar
Triangle
Tresdawg (32% pheno)
Clementonic (radicle genetics' 25% cbd cut)
Buds & Roses HTCC best hybrid winning strawberry banana
Htcc socal best sativa Crystal Coma
My garlic cut
KyLe Kushman's cut of Starberry #4
Leafdoctor's cut of Tahoe cure
Gg4
Stardawg ix
Trestardawg
Legend og
Forum cut GSC
Sunshine 4 mi htcc first place winner cut
Sunshine 4 (same cut) x tangie
Sure I could go in the mother room and find some I forgot about but you get the idea, those are just my clones not even counting the pheno hunts I got going on atm
 

Mohadib

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@StankyBeamer
While I respect your philosophy about this issue (and considering your portfolio of strains I can even somewhat understand were you're comming from), I cannot help but think of the OG's as an example for superb quality buds that come from plants that probbably wouldn't meet your criteria and so wouldn't make the cut. Risky business, it appears to me ;)
 

Hammerhead

Disabled Farmer
ICMag Donor
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@StankyBeamer
While I respect your philosophy about this issue (and considering your portfolio of strains I can even somewhat understand were you're comming from), I cannot help but think of the OG's as an example for superb quality buds that come from plants that probbably wouldn't meet your criteria and so wouldn't make the cut. Risky business, it appears to me ;)


Its really not that risky. I do something similar. Some female plants are just not worth flowering. If I flowered every single plant there would be no room to do anything,,. There's a lot of things going on in the background. What I do to pick plants I want to flower makes a difference. I have done the all plants get flowered routine. Making sections in veg makes a difference for me. I'm not following your OG analogy. If I'm popping OG seeds I know im looking at OG genetics. witch plants get flowered will be based on OG genetics.
 

StankyBeamer

Professional A$$hole
Its really not that risky. I do something similar. Some female plants are just not worth flowering. If I flowered every single plant there would be no room to do anything,,. There's a lot of things going on in the background. What I do to pick plants I want to flower makes a difference. I have done the all plants get flowered routine. Making sections in veg makes a difference for me. I'm not following your OG analogy. If I'm popping OG seeds I know im looking at OG genetics. witch plants get flowered will be based on OG genetics.

@StankyBeamer
While I respect your philosophy about this issue (and considering your portfolio of strains I can even somewhat understand were you're comming from), I cannot help but think of the OG's as an example for superb quality buds that come from plants that probbably wouldn't meet your criteria and so wouldn't make the cut. Risky business, it appears to me ;)

Yeah mohadib, I'm not understanding your analogy either? I get og to yield and all my og cuts veg very quickly. I can pull six to ten ounces of sfv with a three week veg, or four to eight ounces of fire og with the same veg. I don't see how that + the quality of them makes them "not make the cut"? I don't grow plants like the sour dubb or the real bubba, they're headstash plants that don't produce and take fucking forever to veg. This is my job so I have to remain productive. Just turned down a cut of the blissful wizard 32 because of the slow growth, not worth the space for anything but headies, and as you saw, I have plenty of "headstash" quality cultivars that also yield and grow vigorously, no need to keep snail pace plants just because they *might* be good smoke
 

pappy masonjar

Well-known member
Veteran
i think his point was just that its possible u could throw away the greatest plant ever and not know it.
i understand what your saying as well though.

heres a good example of what he was trying to say. i recently popped a random bagseed just for the hell of it. It didnt look like anything special in veg and prolly wouldnt make your cut. it turned out to be a very frosty, extremely high yielder of super super terpy flowers.
you just dont know untill u grow em out.
but i do basically agree with tossing super slow veggers out in a commercial setting though.

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Valley OG x Tresdawg. bred by Oceangrownkush.
I only popped 1 of these seeds and gotdamn its nice.

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StankyBeamer

Professional A$$hole
i think his point was just that its possible u could throw away the greatest plant ever and not know it.
i understand what your saying as well though.

heres a good example of what he was trying to say. i recently popped a random bagseed just for the hell of it. It didnt look like anything special in veg and prolly wouldnt make your cut. it turned out to be a very frosty, extremely high yielder of super super terpy flowers.
you just dont know untill u grow em out.
but i do basically agree with tossing super slow veggers out in a commercial setting though.

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Valley OG x Tresdawg. bred by Oceangrownkush.
I only popped 1 of these seeds and gotdamn its nice.

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Oh I know I'm probably missing out on some impressive plants, from my experience every plant can perform if treated right, I used to have a nevilles haze bag seed pheno from a single bean we found in a #, it had a weirdly tight slow growing Northern Lights structure and almost no stretch, but the most sativa fans and flower structure and an electrifying high with a crazy unique flavor I can't really describe short of lemon mothball hazy incense. I miss growing just for personal. Just can't do it anymore, I'm happy enough smoking proven elites that perform well in a commercial setting, shit I only dab these days I don't even smoke flower, so to me I gotta have vigor, yield, similar enough flowering time to throw on tables with my other genetics, similar structure and stretch to keep even canopys with the rest of the room. I select for a very specific list of traits, and I guarantee I'm missing out on a lot of interesting gear, but what I end up finding is priceless in terms of turnaround rate, concentrate yields, terpene production, and quality of high.
 

Mohadib

Well-known member
Veteran
i think his point was just that its possible u could throw away the greatest plant ever and not know it.
i understand what your saying as well though.

Yeah, that was my point indeed.

Of course there's plants that let you know pretty early on they will be shitty enough that even a hypothetically possible quality smoke they may produce wouldn't justify the hustle of dealing with them.
For me, it sounded as if you're a lot more rigorous when it comes to sorting out plants in veg. And based on that assumption, I made the OG-analogy. Of course there's a lot worse looking plants than OG in veg, but there's also a TON of plants that look a lot more promissing in veg than the lanky bitch OG Kush is - and yet we all know it's a superb plant. Hence my use of the term 'risky' ;)
 

StankyBeamer

Professional A$$hole
What's this first pic, with the nanners popping out?
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The nanners would have to be the Chem D, she likes to go shemale but doesn't make pollen so I don't worry too much
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Glue with and without flash, the heads are so big on her this round I can't wait to wash her for some melt
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This is the cut I received labeled tk,can't verify this one but it's through and through og, smells like burnt rubber and gas
 

Medfinder

Chemon 91
Its really not that risky. I do something similar. Some female plants are just not worth flowering. If I flowered every single plant there would be no room to do anything,,. There's a lot of things going on in the background. What I do to pick plants I want to flower makes a difference. I have done the all plants get flowered routine. Making sections in veg makes a difference for me. I'm not following your OG analogy. If I'm popping OG seeds I know im looking at OG genetics. witch plants get flowered will be based on OG genetics.

wise advise!

i've been popping new seed lines and selecting farm clones to find an hybrid with the most desirable traits.

the elite needle in the haystack comes when you sit down on the haystack sometimes.
 
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