Let's Build The ULTIMATE Garden

[Guvnor]

This is going to be one fucking class garden timtim- Have you give you credit mate for your planning, and abit of bottle thrown in. Thats a nice amount of wattage!

You planning to cool all your lights together, one fan pushes cool air through your lights, one fan pulling the heat out? Or you planning to cool, say 3 lights off their own intake and exhaust(if you get what i mean) Reason i ask is because even if you do get those 8inch hoods, a 8inch fan at either end might not pull enough heat away. I may be wrong, I know 8inch fans can move alot of air, and I suppose you could use more exhaust fans in the series.
But also with supplementing c02, your temps can exceed normal standards-around the 85-90 mark I've read, anything over im sure the a/c will cover.
i would run my hoods with manifolds, rather than in a straight series. But that might be abit tricky with your lighting arrangement.

Again, nice garden. Sure it will turn out first class

Guv

 

[NiteTiger]

If you're pretty happy with the Canna nutes, may I suggest an experiment with an additive?

I'd like to see your results of just adding Doc's Liquid Carbon to your regime. I've heard great things about it, would be nice to see what you think of it.

 

[sonoma]

Try this......

Try this......

maximize your floor space.....have a tray in any size you'd like.





Oh, I agree.....more wattage, with all that space you can go huge. I would go with 600's only, with digital balast. They are much more efficient than any other.

Can't wait to see what you do........

 

[Guest]

Hey Guvnor, Thanks for the suggestions, do you wanna elaborate a bit more?
I a complete novice when it comes to air-cooled shades. So I'm not really sure how I'm gonna rig 'em up yet.

Nitetiger- I'm not sure if I can get that down here, but I'll look into it. Thanks

Sonoma- I don't wanna put in any more grow area than whats on the plan. Its just the right size as is. I prefer 400w's in the veg room, cos otherwise my mums goe phsyco! lol, and the 400's in the flower room are gonna be MH's for a bit of a different light spectrum. I might look into the digital ballasts one day, the ones I got'll do for now though. The ballasts won't be in the rooms so heat won't be a problem.

Thanks everybody.
Keep the suggestions coming.

 

[guineapig]

well well well

now the atmospheric discussion....
here we will be evaluating our best options for maintaining a healthy climate for the
vegetative and flowering areas while maintaining security via odor integrity.

how about an approach which involves a primary oscillating fan for the vegetative space while employing multiple smaller units for the flowering space?

the dehuminifier is in the flowering room which is the right place for it....

as far as CO2 goes what is the possibility of threading one big CO2 tubing loop
through the wall which divides the room? This way we could have one regulator with one CO2 tube. For the veg room i would recommend a strategy which raises
the overall CO2 ppm of the entire room. For the flowering room i would endorse a
strategy which intertwined CO2 tubing within the branches of the budding plants. A series of smaller fans on the scale of computer fans would provide a delicate breeze at the base of the plants which would blow directly upwards through the branches.

guineapig out

 

[Guest]

I've been eagerly anticipating your arrival on my thread, and here you are!
Thanks Guineapig, I really like the sound of what your suggesting, no probs drilling a couple of holes in the wall. Hmmm now I got some planning to do.

 

[NiteTiger]

Here's a link about the Doc's, my local hydro store carries it.

http://www.docssimplesolutions.com/carbon.htm

 

[Guest]

Thanks Nitetiger,
It sounds good.

 

[Guest]

All these OG and CW refugees, and no one has opinion on my future grow???
C'mon guys, let's get this thread rolling!!

 

[North-Coast Non]

Yeah, Advanced is DOGBALLS! They are all hype and no substance, I know more then a handfull of people that were not just unimpressed, but DISSAPPOINTED with AN, less yeild with whole product line [almost] then with good old CES 3-part with HumTea and a few choice xtras!

I think "aircooled" is overrated, unless you live in a desert, you should have enough airflow anyways to dissapate any heat you can build up.
Especially since your using 600's and 400's, I have PLENTY of standard 600's and my fans cool everything FINE.....All while running co2, 30 minutes of heavy co2 dose then 15-30 min fans on time, depending on ambient.... 1000w I can mebbe understand aircooling, just so you can gettem closer to the plants though.....

Also, 600's I TOTALY understand but 400MH's mebbe for your veg rooms....they make for a nice "blended" spectrum, but they just dont give enough PAR/lumens for optimum budding, no?

Tryin to help.......NCN

 

[Guest]

I'm starting to blend coir with organics, 1 part power flower 1 part empire coir chips 1 part just coir coco 1 part perlite with azomite added 1T per gallon of soil



heavy feeding with metanaturals 4 part, earthjuice meta k, dark energy, and big bloom



keep it steady.

 

[Guest]

Thanks guys, keep 'em coming.
Yeah I'm gonna give the air-cooled shades a miss for the time being and see how I go, but they're gonna be sealed rooms, so no fan to exhaust the hot air. I'll be relying on a split-systen a/c. I think the 400mh in the flower room will go ok, it's just abit of an experiment, if not I'll just go back to the 6's.
And I've been thinking about organics, but product choice down here is extemely limited, which kinda makes it hard.

 

[Guest]

You figured out what you want to do yet?

 

[Guest]

Hey Dez,
Yeah bro, all sorted, details will be up soon..................

 

[Bermyboy]

timtim?

 

[stevr59]

maximize your floor space.....have a tray in any size you'd like.





Oh, I agree.....more wattage, with all that space you can go huge. I would go with 600's only, with digital balast. They are much more efficient than any other.

Can't wait to see what you do........

sweet... about time i saw a new use for a shower pan liner..

 

[Guest]

Hey guys,
I'm still here.
Having a few setbacks tho.
Room will be finished soon.
Here's a few details-
I decided to use individual Co2 units for each room, and picked out Greenair's CDMC-6 for the job (no low tech bs here). I gave the air-cooled lights a miss, cos I thought I already have enough to look after, plus by using air-cooled lights, and lowering them closer to the canopy, I don't get the lights to spread as much as I like. Everything else will remain the same. Pics to come soon.

 

[Neptune]

Timtim,

you will be missing the Boat if you choose not to aircool your lights.

Its as easy as buying a few 6" hose clamps from your hardware store, and a coupple packs of 6" flexible ducting.

Light--ducting--light--ducting---light--duct--Vortex 6" fan (~700cfm)
[]============[]============[]======(@@@@@)

You will need reflectors with air cooling ports on them, such as the Daystar AC from hydrofarm, or the Cool Sun from sunlight. You attach the ducting to the light with a "hose clamp" which is really a duct clamp in this case.

Your reflectors should also have glass, or it is pointless to aircool. You need a closed in lightbulb such that you can flush the air from the fixture at high speed, without it blowing hot lightbulb air over the tops of your plants. The Daystar AC and the CoolSun have these features, also CoolTubes have this feature, and are probably the easiest reflector/light setup to aircool -- as they are designed to move air through.

It's really not as difficult as it sounds, and it imperative to a bumper crop. Brining the light 6" closer will improve yields, and will not reduce the light footprint by a significant ammount... besides, you should be mono cropping each tray, so that all colas/tops are at the same height -- so there is no need for such a WIDE light coverage, it may be WIDE but it will be WEAK light that will foster sucker buds and popcorn, which as i am suuurrreee you know, is a bitchass to trim.

Once you aircool you will not look back, aircooling takes a huge load off of your AC, and makes the room very sealable for use with CO2 -- very efficient use of your precious gas...

so a recap.... aircooling is:
-Easy to setup
-Better yield through higher intensity light
-Easier to handle climate control, reduced load on heating/cooling equipment
-Easier to use and more efficient use of CO2
-Extends the life of your bulbs, by running at cooler temperatures


sorry for the essay, but if you hate popcorn buds, this is the main reason to aircool... phat colas without the popcorn, similar to a 1000w garden. (Dude uses 600w lights like you, 5 of them, and they are aircooled. and 6-8" from my tops)

 

[CGM]

i say you forget about the tables and the high plant numbers and do dwc buckets...