I am all for compromise too and about reasonable change. I may not agree with many people on these boards on many issues but I am all for progress in reforming our cannabis laws. I remember the UN recently stepped up its offensive on what they considered high-grade cannabis. But because I am an American I tend not to pay any attention to the UN because many other Americans, and myself are under the belief that the UN is not the boss of me/us. Any way there is plenty of room to reform my countries drug laws before we have to even worry about the UN.
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Lets actually do something to legalize cannabis, or at least talk about doing it...
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Censorship sucks because people are always going to disagree and argue. But unless it rises to the occasion were someone is being threatened or acting obscene it is stupid to close a thread on an Internet message board. What is going to happen someone is going to get a bad cramp from typing too much? Or even worse someone’s ego might get bruised?
This thread here is basically the reason I started coming to ICMAG.
Look at the difference of opinion people, have on the legalization of cannabis issue and the methods to go about achieving it. I would love to start an argument on the way to change these laws if someone will indulge me. I would then like to dare the moderators to go Jimmy Hoffa on this thread (if they were responsible for doing it to that other thread).
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HC, if you really want a direction in this fight, you might start by researching the bill submitted by Barney Frank. The bill basically gives the states, not the federal gov't, the power to regulate medical mj. If a state passes medical mj, the feds have to honor it and allow the states to regulate. Nancy Peloski, as Speaker of the House, has promised to support. Now we will find out if that was just election bullshit or whether the bill will ever get out of committee and up for a vote.
farmerbill9
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there is a guy i know who has cancer AND MS. i feel real bad for him so i toss him a few grams every week. he has all kinds of pain pills( one for every occasion) but prefers weed as the pills dont work for him any more. he pays me back by giving me a few pain pills but i only eat them half the time cause they make me a little sick ( but man are they powerfull!!). i just like to give him weed. i hope that if i where in his shoes some one would give me free weed. it also in some weird way justifies what i do, on some weird level. but im rambling......
if you want to do something to aid in the legalization of marijuana, give someone sick free weed. all the people that care bout that sick person will see how pot help them and relives there pain/worry for a little while. it will spread the word of the benefits of marijuana. you will be using marijuana how it was always meant yo be used, plus you will help someone out in need.
if you want to do something to aid in the legalization of marijuana, give someone sick free weed. all the people that care bout that sick person will see how pot help them and relives there pain/worry for a little while. it will spread the word of the benefits of marijuana. you will be using marijuana how it was always meant yo be used, plus you will help someone out in need.
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You may or may not know this but Americans are not in the business of giving anything away. I would say give the sick or their caretaker carte blanche to grow cannabis. Make medical insurance pay for growing equipment and power costs associated with it for the sick.
i agree, one thing that i fear if MJ gets legalized is a commercilization of it and a lack of biodiversity. im afraid they will put a government maximal THC content of *% or some bull shit like that. but by all means make it absolutly legal for those who need it.HCSmyth said:
I would love to see it legalized and the insurance companies have to pay for it as medicine. I would incorporate and agree to a cheap price with the HMO(say half of the normal $6400/lb{figured @$50/eighth}) and just like the big pharma companies, I would laugh all the way to the bank. That way, i could still provide it for free to those who don't have insurance.
MMJ is the big gift that we baby boomers are giving the world. Medicare can not survive without MMJ, that light is slowly coming on across the nation, but in government there are many dark ones who will continue to avoid the light.
If you want a concrete task to organize, we need lists by state, of those who support and oppose our cause. Both local state and federal elected officials. Once there is a list of targets, we need address, and family details, especially arrest records for family members. Confront a few hypocrits, bring them to their knees with their own perfidity, and the rest of the cowards will vote us in to save their own balls.
Being nice ain't worked, there are less aggressive ways to handle the targets if ya want to mess around.
There's a door for you, or somebody.
H
If you want a concrete task to organize, we need lists by state, of those who support and oppose our cause. Both local state and federal elected officials. Once there is a list of targets, we need address, and family details, especially arrest records for family members. Confront a few hypocrits, bring them to their knees with their own perfidity, and the rest of the cowards will vote us in to save their own balls.
Being nice ain't worked, there are less aggressive ways to handle the targets if ya want to mess around.
There's a door for you, or somebody.
H
Patsheba
Member
If you live in the US, there is something going on you can do. Right now is bargaining time between Dems and Reps; call or write (even better, tell in person) your rep to know you favor legalization and more study!
In addition, on the federal front, we need some more petition signatures for the next step in our continual effort to force those in-the-dark individuals in Washington to read the facts:
http://www.safeaccessnow.org/article.php?id=4126
Please print at least a 2 pager petition, ya gotta have that many friends to sign it, and send in to the address on them.
ALL OF US TOGETHER, BEING PERSISTENT, WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE!
In addition, on the federal front, we need some more petition signatures for the next step in our continual effort to force those in-the-dark individuals in Washington to read the facts:
http://www.safeaccessnow.org/article.php?id=4126
Please print at least a 2 pager petition, ya gotta have that many friends to sign it, and send in to the address on them.
ALL OF US TOGETHER, BEING PERSISTENT, WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE!
mriko makes an excellent point, think galactic, act globally 
so in the spirit of that ideal, what we need to do is write a proper paper explaining why prohibition violates our human rights, such as our right to have any religion, and since cannabis is a sacrament to many religious currents, making it illegal is a world-wide violation of human rights. so we need to organize globally and inform our goverment with a lot of seriousness and pesistence; we should even re-write the laws properly so that all they would have to do is pass them / re-form them.
also, informing people that prohibition creates a black market through which many criminal activies are funded, that even the biggest drug-dealer earth has seen, called Pablo Escobar, said over and over that if politicians wanted to see his business die, all they had to do was legalize drugs, but he said it knowning that politicians benefit from prohibition economically, lots of $$ under the table, free of tax.
freedom of religion and ending of black market are the strongest arguments.
medicinal too, can't forget medicinal uses.
the green man is alive, asalaam aliekum!
so in the spirit of that ideal, what we need to do is write a proper paper explaining why prohibition violates our human rights, such as our right to have any religion, and since cannabis is a sacrament to many religious currents, making it illegal is a world-wide violation of human rights. so we need to organize globally and inform our goverment with a lot of seriousness and pesistence; we should even re-write the laws properly so that all they would have to do is pass them / re-form them.
also, informing people that prohibition creates a black market through which many criminal activies are funded, that even the biggest drug-dealer earth has seen, called Pablo Escobar, said over and over that if politicians wanted to see his business die, all they had to do was legalize drugs, but he said it knowning that politicians benefit from prohibition economically, lots of $$ under the table, free of tax.
freedom of religion and ending of black market are the strongest arguments.
medicinal too, can't forget medicinal uses.
the green man is alive, asalaam aliekum!
The best and most effective way I have found to take on the ridiculously exagerated false claims and propoganda surrounding this plant is to just simply get people that want or need it to grow it and encourage them to make and share the seeds of the plant...........over the last 10 years of my life this has been my quest and I believe that I have made a difference to many lives by doing this.......
Once the plant is grown and the value of it is shown to many communities globally the truth about it becomes real and factual to all those concerned and no matter what lies various governments try and instill in the minds of the people they know better..........because they have grown it and it enriches their lives rather than ruins them as these governments claim......
.....I don't need to become a politician and try and take on other politicians in their political arenas..........I work from a grass-roots level (excuse the pun)..........and most certainly this does work.........as is evident throughout this website....
.....We form a worldwide community of concientious objectors here.........and we are all doing our bit merely by keeping this plant alive in all its wonderfull expressions.....
Once the plant is grown and the value of it is shown to many communities globally the truth about it becomes real and factual to all those concerned and no matter what lies various governments try and instill in the minds of the people they know better..........because they have grown it and it enriches their lives rather than ruins them as these governments claim......
.....I don't need to become a politician and try and take on other politicians in their political arenas..........I work from a grass-roots level (excuse the pun)..........and most certainly this does work.........as is evident throughout this website....
.....We form a worldwide community of concientious objectors here.........and we are all doing our bit merely by keeping this plant alive in all its wonderfull expressions.....
hello everyone,
in my personal opinion, we should be thinking and acting along these lines:
one of the reasons why religious freedom in regards to cannabis is such a strong argument, is that there is no need to prove to others who are not interested in cannabis as a sacrament that it actually is a sacrament; the same way catholics don't have to prove to non-catholics that during mass, when they eat the bread and drink the wine, that those sacraments are the flesh and blood of christ.
it is hypocritical to allow certain religious beliefs to have free access to all they need from our natural world, while the religious beliefs of many others are limited and denied when the sacraments central to such religions are prohibited, specially when such sacraments are known by today's science to be harmless.
this in turn gives rise to a black market, where the quality of cannabis is low, often times adulterated, and it is grown non-traditionally, which makes it useless as a proper sacrament; plus, the religious person (or any conscious citizen of the world) doesn't want to buy from black markets, since we don't know what kinds of activities our money is funding.
moreover, it is also a violation of our human rights to deny humans of natural plants that have been known to have powerful medicinal effects upon many people of the world; this prohibition that dictates how are humans to medicate ourselves is obviously a law that benefits the industry of synthetic drugs.
so not only are our basic human rights being violated all over the world because of cannabis prohibition, but such violations are helping corporations make big bucks, from selling their synthetic and often times ineffective medicines, all the way up to selling guns to black market controllers.
these are the type of real-world arguments we need to introduce to the UN, and if we are not heard, we will know the UN is benefiting economically from such black market, and we should call upon a world wide civil disobedience regarding UN ruling and call for the formation of a new UN, completely new, not reformed.
or is this too blunt?
peace
in my personal opinion, we should be thinking and acting along these lines:
one of the reasons why religious freedom in regards to cannabis is such a strong argument, is that there is no need to prove to others who are not interested in cannabis as a sacrament that it actually is a sacrament; the same way catholics don't have to prove to non-catholics that during mass, when they eat the bread and drink the wine, that those sacraments are the flesh and blood of christ.
it is hypocritical to allow certain religious beliefs to have free access to all they need from our natural world, while the religious beliefs of many others are limited and denied when the sacraments central to such religions are prohibited, specially when such sacraments are known by today's science to be harmless.
this in turn gives rise to a black market, where the quality of cannabis is low, often times adulterated, and it is grown non-traditionally, which makes it useless as a proper sacrament; plus, the religious person (or any conscious citizen of the world) doesn't want to buy from black markets, since we don't know what kinds of activities our money is funding.
moreover, it is also a violation of our human rights to deny humans of natural plants that have been known to have powerful medicinal effects upon many people of the world; this prohibition that dictates how are humans to medicate ourselves is obviously a law that benefits the industry of synthetic drugs.
so not only are our basic human rights being violated all over the world because of cannabis prohibition, but such violations are helping corporations make big bucks, from selling their synthetic and often times ineffective medicines, all the way up to selling guns to black market controllers.
these are the type of real-world arguments we need to introduce to the UN, and if we are not heard, we will know the UN is benefiting economically from such black market, and we should call upon a world wide civil disobedience regarding UN ruling and call for the formation of a new UN, completely new, not reformed.
or is this too blunt?
peace
Patsheba
Member
PazVP, I don't believe any argument is necessary to the UN. The UK decided to have mj studies beginning over 2 1/2, and there have been no UN repercussions. Within a few months after their studies began, doctors in Germany and India (for certain) and other places began utilizing it and studying it (i.e. a recent discovery that mj neutrilizes brain cancer cells was by accident, as mj was just part of the overall treatments, but the immune suppression was seen and filmed). It was in a third country that a cannabinoid was just discovered and isolated that actually reduces appetite (compared to the 3 or 4 that increase it)! Pfizer or GW Pharm., look at what the "authorized" big drug companies are going for! The $ drugs first!
When confronted the number of new MJ drugs the UK companies are coming up with, our politicians do a double take on the whole issue. Even the UN has already noticed.
The US influenced the current written UN stance when the classification was changed here. As a leader in world politics (despite Bush thinking he's "The Leader") if we in the US can change our laws and get the correct information published by this government, it will go a long way in the world. Remember, many countries can grow excellent strains like the weed it is! Like California blossomed, the world market would again blossom. The UN would eventually throw out or revise the current "outdated" information and regulations.
I'm so sorry NiteTiger. A one page version of the petition has only 4 signature spaces, perhaps you could manage that one? Surely you could "trick" 3 people into signing? I'd sign it, but I already have....
When confronted the number of new MJ drugs the UK companies are coming up with, our politicians do a double take on the whole issue. Even the UN has already noticed.
The US influenced the current written UN stance when the classification was changed here. As a leader in world politics (despite Bush thinking he's "The Leader") if we in the US can change our laws and get the correct information published by this government, it will go a long way in the world. Remember, many countries can grow excellent strains like the weed it is! Like California blossomed, the world market would again blossom. The UN would eventually throw out or revise the current "outdated" information and regulations.
I'm so sorry NiteTiger. A one page version of the petition has only 4 signature spaces, perhaps you could manage that one? Surely you could "trick" 3 people into signing? I'd sign it, but I already have....
I think the answer is to first reschedule cannabis off the federal drug Schedule I classification. This is something that federal legislation to protect medical marijuana needs to address. Very clearly, cannabis must be moved off Schedule I completely! A compromise that keeps it partially off Schedule I for medical reasons and on Schedule I for other reasons like recreational use would be bad.
Now I know that the only main distinction between Schedule I and Schedule II is Schedule I has no medical value. But say what you will about my political views but I know something about politics and I fear that medical marijuana legislation that does not completely move off the schedule I classification would be a failure. I could see this compromise happening because of the possible public relation fallout that anti-cannabis pundits might fear happening by the news of cannabis being rescheduled completely. Therefore, any medical cannabis legislation that would have cannabis staying on Schedule I with say an “ * ” we need to avoid.
Now I know that the only main distinction between Schedule I and Schedule II is Schedule I has no medical value. But say what you will about my political views but I know something about politics and I fear that medical marijuana legislation that does not completely move off the schedule I classification would be a failure. I could see this compromise happening because of the possible public relation fallout that anti-cannabis pundits might fear happening by the news of cannabis being rescheduled completely. Therefore, any medical cannabis legislation that would have cannabis staying on Schedule I with say an “ * ” we need to avoid.
Transform (TDPF) are a great organisation devoted to this cause
http://www.tdpf.org.uk
here are some very handy guidlines for how to campaign for an end to prohibition
http://www.tdpf.org.uk/support_Transform.htm
"prohibtion is the problem - be part of the solution"
http://www.tdpf.org.uk
here are some very handy guidlines for how to campaign for an end to prohibition
http://www.tdpf.org.uk/support_Transform.htm
"prohibtion is the problem - be part of the solution"
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the argument that cannabis prohibition is a violation of the human right to practice any religion freely so long as no harm is done to another is simply undefeatable, anyone wanna try? because it is the truth. i don't believe in any guides in how to do anything, specially something like mj legalization, which shows there are not working guides in how to legalize it or it would already have been legalized through such processes.
like i said, if the UN doesn't hear reason and truth, they gotta go along with their laws, and a new UN must be formed in its place.
peace.
like i said, if the UN doesn't hear reason and truth, they gotta go along with their laws, and a new UN must be formed in its place.
peace.
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