Legalize Marijuana-California Initiatives

[Rusty Shaklford]

Rocket Scientist

Rocket Scientist

It will not happen without taxation-- Sorry--
But how would you rather get fucked?? Financially, through taxation??
Or literally...in Prison??
The Start of Legalization has to start somewhere...don't you think now is better than later??

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out how to fix this.
It's clean and simple.
Legalize pot 100% Absolutely no restrictions. Of course the sale to minors,DUI, getting high in the work place, common sense stuff would be law.
Grow or possess as much as you like. Buy sell to anyone you choose.
The Kicker, There will be only 1 product you may buy over the counter and it comes from a state run operation.
An independent firm will plan the entire financial price tag for the various set ups across each state. The grows would be set up on state owned land using a free and green source of power, wind, water wheels what have you.
It should be a climate controlled indoor, maximum yielding hydroponics grow. The states minimum security prisoners will run the project supervised.
We now have free labor, after initial investment a cheap source of power.
The independent financial firm will now set the price of the ganja based the actual costs and throwing on a profit just enough to deter the independent grower from growing the same product FOR PROFIT.
Your pot is now legalized, smoke till your head explodes. You have now have taken out all the pot dealers as there is no profit in growing weed. Police and courts are now freed up for more important shit.The state is making a huge profit and is not a TAX!
There is no tax needed to drive the price up as your goals here are to stop the crime associated in marijuana sales which is brought on by the artificial inflation of it being illegal.
Doing a little research, it costs anywhere between a dime and a quarter to produce 1 cigarette. so this means a packs price to produce is between 2 and 5 bucks. There is roughly 1 oz of tobacco in a pack of regular smokes(.8 gram tobacco, rest is paper and filter) and would mean 20oz in a carton with 200 cigarettes
The prices were for cigarettes and from a company who has no free labor and must pay other expenses.
Of course this is a rough price with many other factors so lets just take all the other factors give them a good bunch of credit and say the state could produce a pound of weed for $25. A carton of cigs is around 20 oz. 1 1/4 pounds.
A cigarette sized joint sold for a buck or 2. That is less than 400 for a pound to you. So it would cost the state $25 to make $375.
Great for the state and smoker, but if your growing to sell, for profit anyway you lose!
Problem solved. We have our freedom, state gets their money.

 

[vta]

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out how to fix this.
It's clean and simple.
Legalize pot 100% Absolutely no restrictions. Of course the sale to minors,DUI, getting high in the work place, common sense stuff would be law.
Grow or possess as much as you like. Buy sell to anyone you choose.
The Kicker, There will be only 1 product you may buy over the counter and it comes from a state run operation.
An independent firm will plan the entire financial price tag for the various set ups across each state. The grows would be set up on state owned land using a free and green source of power, wind, water wheels what have you.
It should be a climate controlled indoor, maximum yielding hydroponics grow. The states minimum security prisoners will run the project supervised.
We now have free labor, after initial investment a cheap source of power.
The independent financial firm will now set the price of the ganja based the actual costs and throwing on a profit just enough to deter the independent grower from growing the same product FOR PROFIT.
Your pot is now legalized, smoke till your head explodes. You have now have taken out all the pot dealers as there is no profit in growing weed. Police and courts are now freed up for more important shit.The state is making a huge profit and is not a TAX!
There is no tax needed to drive the price up as your goals here are to stop the crime associated in marijuana sales which is brought on by the artificial inflation of it being illegal.
Doing a little research, it costs anywhere between a dime and a quarter to produce 1 cigarette. so this means a packs price to produce is between 2 and 5 bucks. There is roughly 1 oz of tobacco in a pack of regular smokes(.8 gram tobacco, rest is paper and filter) and would mean 20oz in a carton with 200 cigarettes
The prices were for cigarettes and from a company who has no free labor and must pay other expenses.
Of course this is a rough price with many other factors so lets just take all the other factors give them a good bunch of credit and say the state could produce a pound of weed for $25. A carton of cigs is around 20 oz. 1 1/4 pounds.
A cigarette sized joint sold for a buck or 2. That is less than 400 for a pound to you. So it would cost the state $25 to make $375.
Great for the state and smoker, but if your growing to sell, for profit anyway you lose!
Problem solved. We have our freedom, state gets their money.

Sounds great...so go get your half a million signatures and get it on the ballot. Until then I'll vote for something that actually exists. Something people will actually vote for.



I guess your late to the game cause we have been here before. The majority of voters...majority...do not smoke cannabis. As restrictive as 19 was, it lost because of the lack of regulations. The majority of voters do not smoke cannabis. I can't stress this enough! They have been fed lies and propaganda. With 19 (restrictive as it was) the LEO opposition was hammering how 'out of control' the situation would be if legalized.

You don't either of these? Do something about it. But until you do, we need to vote on these.

There is no logical reason to vote no on either of these two props. None.

 

[vta]

People have been waiting a long time for this. Lets open this market up!

 

[Hammerhead]

I dont think the majority of voters would do that. Most cannabis users would vote for the one that lets you grow as many as possable with no taxes until you decide you want to be comercial. I have no problem voting for both but I did not think you could do that. It does not matter to me what prop is voted into law as long as cannabis is legalized

 

[Ruosk]

how can you put a tax on water, that should be free ???????????

Infrastructure and treatment cost money. I don't know how it works down there, but around here where I live, water's free if you have your own well and waste disposal system that meets the regulations.

Cannabis, or other goods being not taxed is a crazy pipedream that will never happen. And I don't see why it should - every business gets taxed so it's just fair. And wouldn't both this new proposition as well as old 19 allow you to grow your own for personal use anyway? Even with like 4 plants going you can support quite a heavy habit.

And people worrying about their profit margins dropping and would rather see people jailed than lose some money are simply selfish and greedy. Sure, big money would dominate commercial market, but there's always room for small time operations producing rare, high quality products. Nowadays people are ready to pay for premium. Of course, mid quality producers would be in trouble but... whatever.

 

[Vishus]

I live on the opposite coast, in the bible belt, unfortunately. Here there is a general distrust of the measures currently in place and proposed for the future concerning Cannabis in California. Much of that has to do with the slanted views offered by the media as well as the prehistoric "education" presented by the government.

I personally am conflicted in my support of this measure because I don't want a huge company like Phillip Morris mass-producing an inferior product with no compassion, full of chemicals that do more harm than good. I would be happier simply if Marijuana was not the schedule it currently is. I would be happy if there was a major effort to educate the masses on how America was founded on Hemp, and vilified to hurt Mexican immigrants and African Americans. It would be awesome if you could go anywhere in the United States and possess a bouquet of Canna flowers without fear of the police carting you off to jail.

I think the intentions of measures such as this and the one Ron Paul is supporting are a step in the right direction... I just think certain prerequisites have to be met first, which have not been thus far.

 

[Hammerhead]

Keep in mind that no big pharma will touch cannabis as long as its still illegal federally. If Philip did open a massive grow we do not have to support these operations. Support your local growers they will have better buds anyway.

 

[Warped1]

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out how to fix this.
It's clean and simple.
Legalize pot 100% Absolutely no restrictions. Of course the sale to minors,DUI, getting high in the work place, common sense stuff would be law.
Grow or possess as much as you like. Buy sell to anyone you choose.
The Kicker, There will be only 1 product you may buy over the counter and it comes from a state run operation.
An independent firm will plan the entire financial price tag for the various set ups across each state. The grows would be set up on state owned land using a free and green source of power, wind, water wheels what have you.
It should be a climate controlled indoor, maximum yielding hydroponics grow. The states minimum security prisoners will run the project supervised.
We now have free labor, after initial investment a cheap source of power.
The independent financial firm will now set the price of the ganja based the actual costs and throwing on a profit just enough to deter the independent grower from growing the same product FOR PROFIT.
Your pot is now legalized, smoke till your head explodes. You have now have taken out all the pot dealers as there is no profit in growing weed. Police and courts are now freed up for more important shit.The state is making a huge profit and is not a TAX!
There is no tax needed to drive the price up as your goals here are to stop the crime associated in marijuana sales which is brought on by the artificial inflation of it being illegal.
Doing a little research, it costs anywhere between a dime and a quarter to produce 1 cigarette. so this means a packs price to produce is between 2 and 5 bucks. There is roughly 1 oz of tobacco in a pack of regular smokes(.8 gram tobacco, rest is paper and filter) and would mean 20oz in a carton with 200 cigarettes
The prices were for cigarettes and from a company who has no free labor and must pay other expenses.
Of course this is a rough price with many other factors so lets just take all the other factors give them a good bunch of credit and say the state could produce a pound of weed for $25. A carton of cigs is around 20 oz. 1 1/4 pounds.
A cigarette sized joint sold for a buck or 2. That is less than 400 for a pound to you. So it would cost the state $25 to make $375.
Great for the state and smoker, but if your growing to sell, for profit anyway you lose!
Problem solved. We have our freedom, state gets their money.

The state never get's enough money..oh and it will be taxed

 

[Midnight Rudy]

Is it possibly a detriment to have more than one of these on the ballot?

 

[Hammerhead]

I believe it is some dont.
see this thread
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=219987

 

[kmk420kali]

I believe it would be detrimental, as it could split the Voters into only voting for one or the other...ending up with neither having enough votes to pass...whereas if all those only voted for 1...or even both instead of choosing...it prolly will--
They still have to get the Signatures tho...didn't one last year fail at that??

 

[Bill Clinton]

Last time the DEA said if CA passed a legalization bill they would come gunning for CA growers.

Have they commented on this one?

 

[Hammerhead]

Let them come we will be ready. They would ne get any help from leo here. They dont have the man power or money

 

[igrowone]

Last time the DEA said if CA passed a legalization bill they would come gunning for CA growers.

Have they commented on this one?

too early, it will be like prop 19, the disinformation blitz will start about 30 days(or so) before the vote

 

[Bill Clinton]

too early, it will be like prop 19, the disinformation blitz will start about 30 days(or so) before the vote

Huh?

What disinformation?

 

[Bill Clinton]

Let them come we will be ready. They would ne get any help from leo here. They dont have the man power or money

The county I live in still recieves federal MJ erradication money.

They will get PLENTY of help from LEO here.

Not trying to argue, but the feds dont have man power or money? I think if they can pay to keep troops in Afghanistan...they can pay for an MJ war in Cali...IMHO.

If we get a hardcore right wing Christian in the white house.....I dont even wanna think about it.

 

[igrowone]

Huh?

What disinformation?

not your post, the DEA talking trash about what they'll do
they actually have other things to do besides busting smalltime MJ growers
they'll still bust big ops, they do that now, probably no real change
but they know they can scare a few voters, and hopefully assure their monopoly of fear for another voting cycle

 

[Hammerhead]

The county I live in still recieves federal MJ eradication money.

They will get PLENTY of help from LEO here.

Not trying to argue, but the feds don't have man power or money? I think if they can pay to keep troops in Afghanistan...they can pay for an MJ war in Cali...IMHO.

If we get a hardcore right wing Christian in the white house.....I don't even wanna think about it.

There is no money for anything. We are in a depression Leo DEA there all losing there jobs. Where I'm at Leo does not give a rats ass about cannabis. If Cali votes in a law and the feds trample on that law how long do you think it will take before we take to the streets. It would only help our cause for the DEA to trample on our civil rights as voters. What ever funds they are getting it's not even close to what they where getting. I'm willing to fight for my rights what ever that maybe.



When we pass one of these measures it would be Illegal for LEO to help the DEA to arrest anyone for cannabis. Any case for cannabis would have to be prosecuted in a federal court. IMO they don't have the manpower or money to do that.

 

[Bill Clinton]

There is no money for anything. We are in a depression Leo DEA there all losing there jobs. Where I'm at Leo does not give a rats ass about cannabis. If Cali votes in a law and the feds trample on that law how long do you think it will take before we take to the streets. It would only help our cause for the DEA to trample on our civil rights as voters. What ever funds they are getting it's not even close to what they where getting. I'm willing to fight for my rights what ever that maybe.



When we pass one of these measures it would be Illegal for LEO to help the DEA to arrest anyone for cannabis. Any case for cannabis would have to be prosecuted in a federal court. IMO they don't have the manpower or money to do that.

Well the helicopters fly every day where I live. And there is a MJ bust in the paper weekly.

Nobody is taking anything to the streets.

Marijuana is not a civil right. State law will never trump federal.



So if Ohio legalizes...lets say....cocaine.. It will NOT be illegal for LEO to help the DEA arrest people who choose to produce/sell cocaine.

In many old folks eyes....there isnt a difference in the two. Just sayin..I will vote yes. But there is a flip side to the coin.



Do you live in Cali?

 

[Hammerhead]

Of course I do why would I be posting in a thread for Cali? Maybe you wont take it to the streets but I will do what I need to to protect my rights.

You cant compair coke to cannabis. This is not about coke. You can chose to believe what you want. I have no clue where your getting this info from. Leo has to go by CALI LAW PERIOD. Feds can come but Leo can not help them. This is IMHO we will have to see what really happens wont we.