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LEDS.... i had no idea

http://hightimes.com/grow/nico/5449 here is the link if u want the full article

In Trial A, the clones were placed in a three-by-six-foot box that was divided evenly in half. An ebb-and-flow table on each side shared the same grow medium and reservoir. In the end, the LED lamp yielded 12% more than its counterpart, the 400-watt MH.

In Trial B, similar systems again pitted the UFO against a 400-watt HPS, only this time the LED side took an extra week to finish. Some concern arose over stretching, as the clone grew to touch the UFO. This resulted in a decision to increase the blue diodes in a second prototype, and it may lead to an increase in wavelength for the red diodes, according to the manufacturer. In the end, the LED side yielded 5% less than the HPS side did.

However, it was reported in Trial B that there were markedly different potencies, with the LED plant producing much more resin. Speculation exists that the shortage of wavelengths aided in this process, as abnormal stresses have been known to increase the production of resin glands. Final calculations taking into consideration the extra week of flowering time on the LED side found that in terms of grams yielded per kilowatt hour (KwH) consumed, the HPS yield was one-fourth that of the LED side.

In Trial C, the grower found similarities to both previous trials. While the LED yielded less than its counterpart, this test pushed the limits of the LED by pitting it against a stronger 600-watt HPS bulb. Resin production on this Cali-O strain was up after just four weeks of flowering, but in the end, the yield was around 20% less. However, the grower did note that the amount of money saved in electric costs compared against the costs of the 600-watt HPS was almost enough to offset the profits lost on yield. An interesting side note in this trial was that the plant on the LED side needed considerably less watering than the plant on the HPS side. It is possible that this is due to lower surface temperatures in the soil medium, or because the plant wasn’t driven as hard and thus drank less.


after reading this im thinking of going out and getting a ufo's instead of this 1000w hps.. and seeing how i like it because i mean almost no heat and no electricty that cuts yr chances of getting caught by atleast half.. and not 2mention with a 80,000hour life the money u save over all is well worth it well inless u got loose lips

http://www.hidhut.com/catalog/led-s....html?osCsid=d820d8d0f3004c1f40adac4961f26814
 

DonkeyPunch

Member
I am still a bit reserved. I love the concept of LED, and am strongly considering going that way, but the HT results, do not seem to be inline with the results I read on the forums.

From what little I know, you need to throw a good bit more wattage with LED towards results like HT claims... Not to say that's a bad thing...
 

Lazyman

Overkill is under-rated.
Veteran
Not until I can buy a 500W LED array with 680NM reds (and for say, 2-300 bucks) will I take the plunge, and that only after i've seen a couple dozen journals from other pioneers.

I AM considering a microwave suphur (plasma) light though, for research purposes.
 
im down 2 give it a shot after my 1st harvest im a purchase one of these and see how it turns out or maby put it in with my hps and see what happens
 

growshopfrank

Well-known member
Veteran
For what its worth, I had a customer bring in a 90w ufo (purchased elsewhere) with a blown ballast. I was really impressed that it was assembled with hot glue. Not the best way to hold in components that will generate heat, imho. So if you are thinking about buying something like this, take a look at the build quality.
 

Sportster

FULL TILT BOOGIE...
im down 2 give it a shot after my 1st harvest im a purchase one of these and see how it turns out or maby put it in with my hps and see what happens

Personally??....I'd save your money, I know, I've been trying to come up with a good LED panel for about 3 years now, and they just don't have the "poop" to run a good flowering schedule, yet.....

Thats just my opinion at this point and time!!! :D
 

OjoRojo420

Feeling good is good enough.
Veteran
So far LEDS are great for seedlings, clones and vegetative growth. As for flowering I do recommend them as supplemental red spectrum during flowering.

The are not yet ready to flower QUALITY medication by themselves.

To tell the truth, few things surpass 100W+ CFLs (6500k) for vegetating small areas.

Peace and blessings to your gardens!

OR
 

Oldmac

Member
There are LEDs grow lights that work very well already. Procyon 100s will actually do much better then say a 90w UFO, not because they are 10 watts stronger, but because they use diodes that are stronger (2w Cree's) and have better wavelength diodes. Better still are the lights built by Theroreme Innovation of Canada. I have been using TI SmartLamps 600 with Pro-Bloom option for the past year, these lights use 330 watts and have the most complete light spectrum produced to date. I've run 2 of these (660w total) side by side with 1Kw HPS (1150w total) and the results favor the LEDs, both in quality and quanitity per watt.

The major drawback to current LEDs is the lack of penertration. This is easily solved by growing SOG, which is probably the most effiecent method of growing indoors reguardless of type of artifical light used.
 

TKB-Man

Member
hightimes is all about whose paying them the most money.. sad truth is the people who sell stuff in hightimes make more money than the high times magazine.. to top it off, they were advertising vitamins for weed smokers a few months ago and gave it a positive review.. My buddy knows the company that makes and repackages vitamins in a chinese facility and said they were using the same packaging and slightly different formula then stuff already on the market. pretty much anyone can make anything and if they have enough $$$ to advertise in HT then they can make it back.
/rant off
 

raphaelwilliams

New member
High Times is known for taking bribes. I wouldn't trust everything you read in that magazine. Especially the reviews of the BC Northern light grow boxes which is given away for free to various members of the magazines staff for a good writeup on their products...
 

sns_stealth

Member
Had 3+ procyons in a closet and to be honest the yield just never came out near what it would have been with 2 600's. I'll echo what they said about the potency had some ridiculously trich covered plants (jawdrop anyone?). Also on the second run had a pheno that just would not "finish", many feel there are wavelengths that need added to fix this.

You've stumbled in to an onion field on this one, many layers to the many questions you'll be asking in a month. If your growing for JUST you to smoke then you could do well. however, if you have any bigger plans for it than (until a major breakthrough) dont bother.

gl:joint:
 

PetFlora

Well-known member
ICMag Donor
Veteran
I bought into LED and am VERY glad I did. The naysayers can only be referring to earlier versions. I bought a UFO 90 from Sunshine Systems. The only problem I had was SS told me to put it at about 1 1/2- 2 ft above the canopy. Too far, the light was not reaching the tops let alone penetrate. I moved the light to within 1 ft and the plants began to take off. I started in mid July and am within 5-10 days of harvest. DENSE nugs, Better than I ever grew under 400 watt HID or outdoors!

You can learn about LEDs at www.hydro-grow-led.com
 

ItsAllOver

Devil's Advocate
Pics or it ain't true...

Pics or it ain't true...

I bought into LED and am VERY glad I did. The naysayers can only be referring to earlier versions. I bought a UFO 90 from Sunshine Systems. The only problem I had was SS told me to put it at about 1 1/2- 2 ft above the canopy. Too far, the light was not reaching the tops let alone penetrate. I moved the light to within 1 ft and the plants began to take off. I started in mid July and am within 5-10 days of harvest. DENSE nugs, Better than I ever grew under 400 watt HID or outdoors!

You can learn about LEDs at www.hydro-grow-led.com

Not trying to be a dick, if I'm wrong, but that sounds a little sales pitch-ey to me.
 

facelift

This is the money you could be saving if you grow
Veteran
I doubt the facts in the article. And sorry. It's entertainment.

There's a place called Vorne. They make LED signs and meters for industrial apps. Just give them your specs, your process, or intended use, and they can custom build LED panels for you. If you want to build a cabinet with LED walls, ceilings and doors, like a stadium of colleseum, I still say they can do it.
 

FreezerBoy

Was blind but now IC Puckbunny in Training
Veteran
Better than I ever grew under 400 watt HID or outdoors!

Sounds like a great diary subject. Especially since it contradicts every diary on the subject we have. Write it up and post pics. We'd love to see it.
 

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