LED GROW TEST. 126W hydro grow led VS. 180W pro source LED LIGHT

[Telegraphist.]

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Hi everyone

Can i quickly please ask about uvb light from LEDs, is it pratical, safe, worth it, please all opionions

 

[irishboy]

Hi everyone

Can i quickly please ask about uvb light from LEDs, is it pratical, safe, worth it, please all opionions

from what i know you can get better results from clear inc's. but weez is the man to talk to about that. i know the wrong uv and it will harm ur plants.

 

[Weezard]

You, are not the problem.

You, are not the problem.

rember Weezard some i changed also to keep peace. here is a guy right here that can say he's seen me around with leds for a while. under Pot of gold. whats new with the PAD manual and uvb weez? love ur work brother

Mahalo brah! I appreciate yours as well.
Screw the peace, I respect facts.

It's the vendor edit's that I mind.
Your edit were jus' fine.
Not so much axe to grind.

I still have the original posts.
Some cogent things got writ, by ghosts?

A moment of silence for da guys what is toast.

Good job here I. B.

Aloha,
Weezard

P. S. Wrong lizard for da PADness. That's Dogznova's domaine.
I'm with Thoreaux. Simplify!

 

[irishboy]

here rumus you want a visual of my second led grow, here is my last grow witch used 90w of leds for 5 weeks flowering and the temps were 95F+ their whole life with no co2 and i had spider mites. this is my pro source 90w tri ban grow

 

[Weezard]

Go right ahaed.

Go right ahaed.

Hi everyone

Can i quickly please ask about uvb light from LEDs, is it pratical, safe, worth it, please all opionions

Practical?
Not too!
Much more bang for da buck with mercury vapor tubes.

And Safe?
Not really!
If you take precautions and exercise yer common sense, enjoy.

I use Tropical Sunlight for my final tanning stage.
Safest UVb around.
Some spf60 and a pair of shades, I'm good to play.
Did I mention that it's free?

Worth it?
I don't think so.
But, I'd be tickled if you prove me wrong.

Aloha Weezard

 

[irishboy]

clear inc's would be allot better would you say weez? i am not a big fan on uvb also, not good for you.

 

[LEDGirl]

I was reading this thread last night. Irishboy posted that he hasn't seen any LED light that could compete with an HPS yet. "Not even watt for watt"

Today, the "not even watt for watt" seems to be missing from his post. Irishboy, did you remove that from your post or was someone tampering with what you posted? I think one of my posts was edited; that's why I ask.

Look Turdbird, unless you're hear to start shit, I recommend staying quiet. It's VERY easy to see if I edited someone's post, as it SHOWS UP AT THE BOTTOM of their post as "EDITED BY LEDGIRL at XXX PM". So before you go making accusations or acting like you are somehow an authority around here, CHECK YOURSELF. Nothing was edited or deleted, you're simply dillusional. Yes, I do delete bashing, argumentative, and flaming posts as they violate the TOS... So if you want to stick around here for longer than another day or two, I'd recommend understanding your place here (a newbie).

 

[LEDGirl]

but i will say it again! ive been around leds a very long time and i have yet to see led match HID watt for watt. i dare someone prove me wrong. its the truth, i am not saying they cant but i havent seen it yet

Looked and looked for the post, but couldn't find it. In your own words Irish, you stated that the 126W outvegged a 400W Metal Halide, and for that reason alone you would always keep it at least for a veg light. It may not be bloom, but your own words confirmed that you got more growth from less power using LED during at least one growth stage. This would contradict your statement that you've never seen LED match HID even watt for watt, as you saw LED beat HID using 3x less watts during veg. I also haven't seen you do a side by side yet showing us what you do with a 400W during bloom, so maybe we should start there...

 

[irishboy]

Looked and looked for the post, but couldn't find it. In your own words Irish, you stated that the 126W outvegged a 400W Metal Halide, and for that reason alone you would always keep it at least for a veg light. It may not be bloom, but your own words confirmed that you got more growth from less power using LED during at least one growth stage. This would contradict your statement that you've never seen LED match HID even watt for watt, as you saw LED beat HID using 3x less watts during veg. I also haven't seen you do a side by side yet showing us what you do with a 400W during bloom, so maybe we should start there...

come on i didn't mean veg, i meant flower, actual i meant all the way threw and entire grow using hid. i also havent seen one 126w beat a 400w to back up ur claim, so maybe u should start their. i can just use rumples grow to back it up, because like you said if ur light beats PS then on rumples grow it would show ur light would do better, well its a 2 way street if the 180w beats ur lights then theirs no way ur light would beat a 400w if the ps couldn't do it. show me one grow with someone using a signal 126w that will yield close to a 400w, shit i even say 300g to be fair. prove it. and sorry i dont use 400w HID you know all ive used is 1000w hid. all i am saying is on ur website it says the 126w is = to a 400w hps, where is the grow to prove this claim you made? you said i should maybe start their with a 400w hid grow to show what i can do before i say what i say, and i am saying the same to you, i think that is most fair? since you claim ur light to be = to a 400w hps. where the grow that made you come up with this claim?
every led company seems to make claims without any data or pics to back it up, not just HGL. ive used leds for a long time so i have the right to ask for these claims that are made.
also how do u claim ur 205w to be = to a 600w hps when you haven't even done a grow with it yet? this is my point! you u just use science to say what is going to be = to and dont actual test it out? their should be no reason for this to be deleted or edited because all i have done is ask for facts and ask legit questions on how you came up with these claims. and if this dose get tamped with then i am done here, and sorry to all that wont get to see the weight in. but i will not post on a forum where i have no freedom of speech.

 

[WizeWizo]

here rumus you want a visual of my second led grow, here is my last grow witch used 90w of leds for 5 weeks flowering and the temps were 95F+ their whole life with no co2 and i had spider mites. this is my pro source 90w tri ban grow

Hey Irish, Could we get a size reference shot for these buds as well similar to this plz. Thanks in advance.

Peace

 

[irishboy]

Hey Irish, Could we get a size reference shot for these buds as well similar to this plz. Thanks in advance.

Peace

i will have them tonight for you guys. when the lights turn on

 

[PetFlora]

I agree with those who ask where is LEDGirl's proof to justify her claim. That said, I believe it is possible when more of the parameters are carefully controlled (TAG anyone?). From the pics I've seen here of Irishs' grow, seems to me the 126 was too far from the tops. As few as 3" will take a toll on growth and yield.

As to how deep a TRUE Aero system root chamber needs to be; at least 2 feet and probably 3-5. Here is a root pic and top of my biggest plant taken at 41 days from SEED. Enlarging the root photo, you will see a good 6 inches is curled up on the bottom of my 18G tote= 15 inches deep



and here is the top view. Enlarge it and look at the main stalk, it's over 1/2" diameter.

This from one UFO 90, no supplemental lights: 18" tall, 14" to the bifurcated set (pinched about 10 days ago) and 10" to the top of the main stalk where I pinched her. The top and second set of fan leaves are HUGE.

Eight plants are at least 12" tall with nearly as long and fat pony tail root systems. And this my first TAG from the start, ditto using LEDs. I am confident that they would be MUCH bigger with a 126 (40% more light).

UFO is kept within 4 inches of the canopy. At 8", I imagine the plants would be 25-50% smaller, which ultimately impedes bud size and g/w.

Bottom line: Don't be in such a rush to pull the plug on LEDs.

 

[irishboy]

I agree with those who ask where is LEDGirl's proof to justify her claim. That siad, I believe it is possible when more of the parameters are carefully controlled (TAG anyone?). From the pics I've seen here of Irishs' grow, seems to me the 126 was too far from the tops. As few as 3" will take a toll on growth and yield.:

the lights have always been 12" where they were claimed to work. i was told i could do a 40" plant with the 126w and get impressive results, so the lights wernt to far especially with 60 degree led lens. my lights were never farther away from the smallest plant at 12" from it. the PS uses 120 degree lense and its always been 12" away also. so i would have to disagree with you.

one thing allot of people need to under stand is what i have been saying, this test wasn't on what i can max out on yield with these lights, it was to show what light dose better under the same conditions. i made it clear before i couldn't get the max yield i can get without some trimming or LSTing, i wasn't able to do this because then this wouldn't be 100% fair on both side. i did the bare min on this grow to keep it fair, all i did was make sure my plants were health and feed them all the same way with good nutes. thats why they look so green and healthy. this grow has nothing to do with what the full potential yield i could get with these lights. it was to just show what each light can do in the same conditions. since back in the day their was a big war over these two lights on witch was better.

 

[SlevinK]

Well said...

 

[dogsnova]

i will have them tonight for you guys. when the lights turn on

 

[irishboy]

here are the new beer can pics.

 

[Weezard]

Sunburn is a beach!

Sunburn is a beach!

clear inc's would be allot better would you say weez? i am not a big fan on uvb also, not good for you.

Dang! wish you hadn't asked a direct question.
I wasn't going to post in this thread anymore.
Seems short on sense of humor lately.
And I'm terrible at holding my tongue.
Itth all thlippery.

Ah, well, I guess a li'l science won't hurt,
if I keep it short.

Clear incandescent lights have almost 0 UVb., Irish.
I think you might have Far red, (730nm.) in mind here.
They are a great source of that.
And, so are Incandescent black lights.
But, the UV from them is mostly UVa.
There's not enough UVb to tan a spider mite.
They do have Infra-red to burn, though.

Woohoo!I diddit it!

Aloha,
and farewell.

Weezard

 

[irishboy]

Dang! wish you hadn't asked a direct question.
I wasn't going to post in this thread anymore.
Seems short on sense of humor lately.
And I'm terrible at holding my tongue.
Itth all thlippery.

Ah, well, I guess a li'l science won't hurt,
if I keep it short.

Clear incandescent lights have almost 0 UVb., Irish.
I think you might have Far red, (730nm.) in mind here.
They are a great source of that.
And, so are Incandescent black lights.
But, the UV from them is mostly UVa.
There's not enough UVb to tan a spider mite.
They do have Infra-red to burn, though.

Woohoo!I diddit it!

Aloha,
and farewell.

Weezard

yup no uvb for me only IR. i read the old mac thread and learned a few things... lol

 

[danimal7]

LED makers and users, I applaud you,and remember......

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." - Mahatma Gandhi

that being said ,IMHO...I dont believe the tech is quite there for serious growers YET, but it will get there one day

keep up the good work guys

 

[CannaCompulsory]

here are the new beer can pics.

great new pics irishboy! both are impressive for the wattage used but i must say the 180w buds look much more appealing than the 126w bud