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LED and BUD QUALITY

CocoNut 420

CocoNut 420

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My 2c on Hid v led?
I like Hid, even still I think plants love it and it's a source of heat in colder climates, however they've been outdated in terms of light intensity and efficiency.

I know from personal experience it's better to use led + run a heater, it might cost a bit more but it's a fraction on the return for that little extra.

Depending on your purpose and climate hid imo still has a place, where I am 250w led isn't going to work it's too cold and humid.

A 250w hid ime radiates enough heat that it's a cheaper option to some personal smoke when/if it's cold.

I frequently read about led not having the same penetration but I've not found this, ive a few plants that produces dense nuggets top to bottom that I just didn't get with hid

No larf, fyi I don't defoliate after stretch and only if it's necessary.
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Hid wouldn't be my 1st choice but i wouldn't write it off either.
 
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phunkeeboodah

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i forgot to post this video where they go in detail about their hid and hps grows. it is interesting how some plants that were acclimated to led grew bigger tops on the bottom and smaller tops on the top(!) also lots of really interesting info comparing led and hid

 
phunkeeboodah

phunkeeboodah

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or, try any genetics in a winter concrete townhouse basement in canada with no climate control, premixed all purpose soil and garden spikes from the local nursery, plants sat on the concrete floor, light on the ceiling studs

using a 1000 mh i saw a jungle emerge with extreme health and deep green sheen all the way to harvest. thai seeds had dinner plate fan leaves before they were a foot tall
 
CharlesU Farley

CharlesU Farley

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Gypsy Nirvana said:
No problem - so long as you practice civil discourse - and stay on topic - so respecting the thread starter - and the information he/she is after -

I've already had to delete some drama posts - so please gentlemen/ladies - let's not have any more -
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I was being quite facetious with that comment. ;)

Even though I don't do well in moderated environments, this is a much different atmosphere than RIU and I've kept my nose pretty clean here.:p
 
weedemart

weedemart

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Has anyone ever cultivated with a rotary wheel? I like the 4 plant by square foot density . If you did it, how much you yielded by plant on average.
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weedemart

weedemart

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Rocket Soul said:
Seems a bit pointless to rotate the plants around the light since the light is already centred with plants around it in a circle, dont you think? Or explain how this works maybe.
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Rock wool works by the water content and drains by gravity, if it does not turn your plants drains directly on your plants.... At the same time the rotation modulates the drainage by changing the gravity angle which avoids air pockets. This model is equipped with drip irrigation and it is dtw. It looks really good on paper but I have doubts about the yield. Even 2 hps of 1000w would not be much for the cultivation surface.

You have 13.5m2 of surface for a foot print of 4m2 , and you only have 2kw to cover 13.5m2 , look very weak to me but I'm curious if anyone already has data.What is the average intensity with 2x 1000w hps
 
Rocket Soul

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weedemart said:
Rock wool works by the water content and drains by gravity, if it does not turn your plants drains directly on your plants.... At the same time the rotation modulates the drainage by changing the gravity angle which avoids air pockets. This model is equipped with drip irrigation and it is dtw. It looks really good on paper but I have doubts about the yield. Even 2 hps of 1000w would not be much for the cultivation surface.

You have 13.5m2 of surface for a foot print of 4m2 , and you only have 2kw to cover 13.5m2 , look very weak to me but I'm curious if anyone already has data.What is the average intensity with 2x 1000w hps
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Im not sure i quite understand you. This method seems a bit pointless, what does it achieve other than complicate the situation, you could get the same type of coverage by just putting your plants on the floor around a vertical bulb setup. Vertical bulb setups can be very yieldy though, i know Prawn did it and i think he yielded up to 3 lbs.
 
weedemart

weedemart

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Rocket Soul said:
Im not sure i quite understand you. This method seems a bit pointless, what does it achieve other than complicate the situation, you could get the same type of coverage by just putting your plants on the floor around a vertical bulb setup. Vertical bulb setups can be very yieldy though, i know Prawn did it and i think he yielded up to 3 lbs.
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it gives you more control,it insdustrial grade, it cost less to setup and maintenance, you save in space and you can stack them on shelves.it is made for scalability and its quite efficient.

and im a hydro guy, rockwool all the way , its hard to go vertical in rockwool without expensive setup. This setup can go vertical at cheaper price.
 
weedemart

weedemart

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Hammerhead said:
IMO that's a worthless snake oil gadget. The plants do not see anything different. Sure you can pack in more plants. Quality over yield everyday
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yield is a function of surface. Quality is your skills. In my book. I'm talking about efficiency here.

You could fit a rotary garden in your 5x5 and yield 3x of the same quality. It just take the skills and the knowledge to do it.

The thing I doubt , that why I ask, is 2x1000w is not enought.
 
weedemart

weedemart

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Theres a smaller model that would make more sense with 2x1000w . can fit 288plants@4plant per sqfeet in 6.5m2 and I GUESS the intensity should be close to 650umols/m2 with an average estimate of 400g/m2 would give about 2.6 kilos every 60 days.Thats all theory of course.But pretty sure I'm close.

Thats what I call effiency. All this on 2m2.

Now I let you figure the control you have on this with a cooltube and drip irrigation.

The advantage of LEDs suddenly disappears. And it industrial grade.

Hope it gives you some creativity.


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Crooked8

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weedemart said:
Theres a smaller model that would make more sense with 2x1000w . can fit 288plants@4plant per sqfeet in 6.5m2 and I GUESS the intensity should be close to 650umols/m2 with an average estimate of 400g/m2 would give about 2.6 kilos every 60 days.Thats all theory of course.But pretty sure I'm close.

Thats what I call effiency. All this on 2m2.

Now I let you figure the control you have on this with a cooltube and drip irrigation.

The advantage of LEDs suddenly disappears. And it industrial grade.
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Well if you want to overlook the cost effectiveness and efficiency of leds, their longevity and not having to replace bulbs the lighting from every angle instead of one source with a constant shadow effect, dimmability, as well as penetration capabilities, sure, all the leds advantages disappear.

Youre gonna put 288 plants in that setup with 2000w? Well then, you will certainly have us all watching.
 
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