leaves still turning yellow --- help!!

[Guest]

It's too early for that yellowing. Trust me, they need Nitrogen....just don't overdo it. If it's a chemical fert, give them 1/2 strength of whatever is recommended assuming it is a good fert to start with. If it's PBPro Grow give it full strength.(My mistake using PBPro was underusing it.) And make sure your pH is around 6.5.

Check my gallery photos. I made the same mistake you are making and about the same stage of flowering. 1st 4 numbers of picture name are date of picture. you'll figure it out. Start with Page 12 and work backwards. look at the pics of the leaves on my Satori. They are day 64 of flower now and look like shit because of my mistake back early. I'll get a yield because I finally corrected it mid flower...before I killed them.

That's my 2 cents

MT

On 9/27 about a month into flower. What you DON'T see in the pictures is all the big fan leaves that I lost. And 4-5 inches of main stem was buried when I repotted as part of getting N back into them.



October 5th



Sept 27

Sept 27th


You can see how they are now in this pic from 10/23 The Satoris are left side and back row. Not a great picture but you can see the big fans were "consumed" by the plant. The buds while not big, are very frosty so I will get something. The new leaves are nice and green.

The new growth that came AFTER I began giving them more Nitrogen is green. The old fans never recovered because they were too far gone. The plant ate itself.

 

[Guest]

Vegetative growthrate increases the first 3 weeks or so of 12/12,nodestretch and preflowers require nitrogen,don't be shy.

 

[cheebman]

thanks fella'z for all of ur advise... now its been 3 days since i gave it another dose of nutes. still yellowing.. i dont know if i mentioned this but i have her trained and tied down. i have 8 main cola's and 2 smaller ones.. she is filling in really nice and as of 2 days ago the buds are starting to fill in with thricomes and are looking stickey boy.. but like i said, there is only maybe 2 sets of leaves below the bottom of each cola left that are green.. what will happen if the yellowing keeps going and gets into the leaves that come out of the bud.. i know this is normal in the later stages of 12/12 but if it happens to my girl now at day 30 or so will i have to just chop her down and be happy with what i got or will the buds keep growing with no leaves left??

***important******
also i see alot of u say that she doesnt look as bad as im making it out to be, or the lower leaves are supposed to do that, but remember those pics are weeks old.. she looks completly differnt from those pics.. like i said before there are no more leaves really execpt the one that come out of the buds them selfs.

after the soil drys a bit i think im gonna give it a dose of 5-1-1 to give her some much needed N. or is this a bad idea since i gave it nutes the last watering?

ill take some more pics today and post them tommorow.

hey thanks again for all your help.. i greatly appreciate it.

 

[acidblue]

What kind of soil mix are u using?
Did you add any guano/tea/fulvic acid or other amendments to the soil?
what about micro's?

 

[smokeymacpot]

they want a full strength dose of some 12-5-5 or something. the plant will not recover but it will slow down the yellowing if you feed it. they may want a couple of feeds, you have to watch them closely and decide.

 

[cheebman]

hey,

i used a soil with a real low n-p-k .01 or somthing, perlite, and cow manure composte @ 45%-45%-10%. i know now not to add the cow manure compost

i only can work with the nutes i have accumulated to this point which is-

fish poop 5-1-1, bat poop 1-10-.02, (technoflora's)bc bloom 1-4-7, bc boost 3-2-3, bc grow 1-3-6, awsome blossoms 2-11-11, thrive alive b1 red 1-1-1, thrive alive b1 green1-1-1

i called technoflora and they said i can use my 5-1-1 fish poop with the awsome blossoms, and the thrive alive red. which sould give me 8-13-13. beacuse i wanna use my 5-1-1 fish poop for the nitrogen which the plants loved in veg, i can add the awsome blossoms to add p and k

they told me that i can add it as soon as my soil drys up from the last nutes i gave them. they told me to use 1 teaspoon of each, awsome bloosoms and thrive alive to my 1 tablespoon of 5-1-1 fish poop to 1 gal water.

will this help them??

 

[Guest]

You better get some N into them...or you WILL lose them. Did you look at those pics of mine? You're going to lose some yield no matter what. You could lose your plant entirely if you don't get some N in them.

Look at it this way: What can giving them some Nitrogen hurt at this point?

MT

 

[cheebman]

mt:

What can giving them some Nitrogen hurt at this point? over fertilizing is supposbly irreversable. so if i gave them hyroponic nutes the last time i watered and them give them other dose of nutes i could potently cause more harm.. im growing in soil and on my hyrdo nutes it says fertz-water-water-fertz. so thats why i asked if it was okay to give it another feeding of nutes with out watering it w/ straight water first.

now that im thinking about it. if i do give it more nutez this watering ill use just the fish poop 5-1-1 nothing else so i can give it more N and hardly anything else.. because like i said if i mix the awsome blossoms, and the thrive alive red it would give me 8-13-13 and that might be over fertilizing it so ill give it just 5-1-1 to boost just the N

thanks guys..

ps. i only have this 1 girl at this point flowering and is my first grow to have made it this far so im paroniod and not sure what to do.. 1/2 the posters tell me 1 thing and the rest tell me other. so im stuck in the middle to decide for my self, but i only have 1 chance to get it right because i only have this one girl in flower.. ive spent 7 months now and killed 20 plants until this most recent grow.. so im sure u know where im coming from. they dont grow over night

thanks for putting up w/ me

 

[acidblue]

hey,

i used a soil with a real low n-p-k .01 or somthing, perlite, and cow manure composte @ 45%-45%-10%. i know now not to add the cow manure compost

i only can work with the nutes i have accumulated to this point which is-

fish poop 5-1-1, bat poop 1-10-.02, (technoflora's)bc bloom 1-4-7, bc boost 3-2-3, bc grow 1-3-6, awsome blossoms 2-11-11, thrive alive b1 red 1-1-1, thrive alive b1 green1-1-1

i called technoflora and they said i can use my 5-1-1 fish poop with the awsome blossoms, and the thrive alive red. which sould give me 8-13-13. beacuse i wanna use my 5-1-1 fish poop for the nitrogen which the plants loved in veg, i can add the awsome blossoms to add p and k

they told me that i can add it as soon as my soil drys up from the last nutes i gave them. they told me to use 1 teaspoon of each, awsome bloosoms and thrive alive to my 1 tablespoon of 5-1-1 fish poop to 1 gal water.

will this help them??

YES! use the fish poop just like they said.
that should give the N they need.

 

[cheebman]

the reaon why i am conserned on over fertilizing is because on one of my last attepmts i over fertilized like crazy and that made my entire plant turn yellow and completly stopped growing.. i was told that leaves will turn yellow and die bezuase the nutes build up in the leaves and burn.

thanks acid blue

holla

 

[Blackvelvet]

Magnesium deficiency. Drench the pots with 2 teaspoons epsom salts per gallon of water.



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[acidblue]

if your worried then use just the fish poop without the bloom ferts like you said earlier.
try 1/2 strength first, then increase to full.

 

[Guest]

the reaon why i am conserned on over fertilizing is because on one of my last attepmts i over fertilized like crazy and that made my entire plant turn yellow and completly stopped growing.. i was told that leaves will turn yellow and die bezuase the nutes build up in the leaves and burn.

thanks acid blue

holla

Hey hey !!

The problem didn't happen overnight and won't be cured overnight.

You need to learn as we all do, that directions on the packaging don't mean shit. You need to learn to "read your plant". Some plants may need ferts every time you water. You send "MyNameIs Stitch" or "Suby" a PM with your pics. I bet they tell you pretty much what I said. Or post this in the sick plant forum.

The 5-1-1 is fine so far as I know. I haven't used it, but that's the basic ratio you need. Your plant is eating the N in its leaves because there isn't enough in the soil. The process begins in the lower, older leaves and moves upwards. Fan leaves store N, and N is a mobile element. It will move, and IS moving in your plant....upwards to the top where new growth NEEDS Nitrogen the most....and the plant will do what it has to within its own means to GET THAT Nitrogen. The quickest way is to get it from itself. Do NOT remove the yellowing old fans. That will make matters worse. Your plant needs the N in them until there is suficient N in the soil. Just leave them alone. If they fall off, then remove them to prevent disease, etc.

My Satori never did fully recover because once fan leaves are "consumed" by the plant, they are done for. Giving Nitrogen will give the plant another source of N so it won't keep eating its own fan leaves.

I think if you get on this the damage will be minimal. Obviously, as you noted, you don't want to overdue the N. I'm not familiar with your ferts since I haven't used them. And don't be flushing anymore. That won't help at this point IMO. You just need to get that N in there to stop any more damage. I seriously doubt something between 1/2 and a full dose of that Fish 5-1-1 is going to do any damage.

Good luck with it. These plants are pretty tough as I found out with mine. I thought for sure I was going to lose my Satoris, but they are gonna hang in there. I bet your plant will too

MT

 

[Blackvelvet]

This was an easy one. Magnesium deficiency (Is that spelled right?) Add epsom salts. Green veins with a yellow leaf on the bottom.

I love you guys...

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[cheebman]

hey again fella's,

ive got some pic for ya today. these are all the same girl:



















for some reason the buds look real good with the camera. they dont queit look like that for real...

 

[Guest]

If I did the math right, you had lost leaves and this yellowing was well in progress on 10/24 or before, correct? That would have been day 17 or before of 12/12, correct? You posted the pics on Oct 30 and 31...and said they were a week old? That means that you were probably underfeeding right from the beginning, or the beginning of 12/12. Figure it out. Go back over what you did and in what sequence. The plant was undernourished.

If those dates are right are correct, that is too early for "normal" yellowing and losing of leaves. And the way it is happening, it is NOT a Mg deficit.

MT

 

[cheebman]

hey mt:

yeah i know now that i have to keep giving it veg nutes for 2 weeks into flower.. they started turning yellow the once it started showing sex about 1 week into 12/12.
i did goto 1-10-.02 the first day of 12/12 which caused my problem. al least i know now.. also ive been giving it the hydro nutes recently and the leaf tips are burned. thats caused by over fertz right?

i dont think i did to bad on this girl for my first sucsessfull grow huh? im gonna give it the 5-1-1 today or tomorrow morning. hopefully it will stop the yellowing from progressing. and u said it under nurished? so when i give it the 5-1-1 should i add the awsome blossoms and thrive alive to give me 8-13-13 or since the leaf tips are burnt should i just give it the 5-1-1?

thanks guys

 

[Guest]

Yes. Sounds like you did something similar to what I did with the same result. I think you'll be OK now that you're on it. And no, a bit of leaf tip isn't bad. Just remember to not overdo the ferts.

Good luck man

MT

 

[cheebman]

hey fella's,

little update.. still yellowing just a little, also just purchased new 150 watt HPS light from surplus store for ONLY $10.00 hooked it all up and bam. so i switched from my 175 MH to my 150 HPS. i'll use it for the last few week of flowering on my girl.. 150 hps should be better then my 175 mh for flowering right? i assume so..

thanks again

 

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