Leaves rolled under now twisted too PH?

[Guest]

Thanks in advance for any help!


I think is a PH problem. I just flushed with the 7.2 PH tap water and the runoff is still like 6.2. The other bagseed from the same oz bag is not exhibiting this problem.

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How long has this problem been going on? Since sprouting
What STRAIN are you growing? Bagseed
What was the establishing technique? (seed or clone?) Seed
What is the age of your plants? 10 Days since sprout
What size pots are you using? (Include how many subjects to pot)20 oz solo cup
What substrate/medium are you using? What brand of soil mixture are you A bit of miracle grow seed starter on top of a mixture of local compost/perlite
What Nutrient's are you using? No Nutes
What is the TDS/EC/PPM of your nutrients used? No Idea
What is the pH of the "RUN-OFF"? The Ph of the runoff is 6.2
What method of pH test was administered? Using Strips? pH pen? 3 drop PH test from Petco (more expensive test kit)
How often are you watering? When the cup is light (pot lifting)
What size bulb are you using? 2 23 watt CFL’s
What is the distance to the canopy? 5-6 inches
What is your RH Factor? (Relative Humidity) 30%
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include fluctuation range) 71 low 77 high
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.) Almost an open cab plenty ventilation
Is the fan blowing directly at plants? NO
Is the grow substrate constantly wet or moist? Moist would be the word
Is your water HARD or SOFT? Not sure
What water are you using? Reverse Osmosis (RO)? Tap? Bottled? Well water? Distilled? Mineral Water? Tap water is like 7.2 PH, under counter sears filter is 6.6 PH runoff is 6.2 or lower(been using tap)
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned or pinched? NONE
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so what and when? None
Are plant's infected with pest's? No

 

[stinkyattic]

Kinda looks like physical damage but let me give you some more hints:
-cut teh rims of the cups down almost flush with the soil surface for improved air flow
-take the cup out of the second cup. Not only are you tryin gto drain OUT water, you are trying to let fresh oxygen back IN to the medium. Large unobstructed drain holes makes for happy plants.

 

[Guest]

No physical damage has occurred.

The cup that the plant is in has like 15 holes drilled in the bottom and lower sides and sits on a rock that keeps it off of the other cup about an inch and the other cup has side holes so any runoff drains completely from the first cup and then drains out of the holder cup into the container they're in. Great airflow and I've done it before. If I take it out of the second cup the drain holes will be about 50% efficient.

 

[One Love]

How often do you water? and with how much? Could be over watering, but thats just my 2pence.

 

[Guest]

I water when the cup is very light and then I add water around the stem in small amounts till I get a little runoff. In the picture, I just flushed it so it might seem really wet.

If it just wilted down I would think over watering but they are twisted as well. as curled under.

 

[indicrazy]

Since it's two seeds from the same source and one is fine, and assuming they are in the same soil, same conditions, etc.. I'd say it's just a mutant, not your environment, and I'd chuck it unless it stinks to holy high heaven, hee hee, or it's the last two seeds of your all time favorite weed.

Maybe a parent somewheres back got hit up with some colchicine to bust vigor or variation hope out of a tired strain leaving some noise in the hot rodded gene pool, or maybe it is just a dorky plant. Heh.

See if it grows out if you really wanna keep it as an experiment, they often do, or just chuck the mutant.

 

[Syndicate]

My votes on a mutant, sometimes they straighten up their growth characteristics, give it a few nodes of growth to see if it normalizes.

 

[Guest]

I think that's what I'll do, just wait and see. Both seeds were indeed from some bomb ass weed so I figured it has to be at least a little worth while to start these. I will probably flower these from seed but take a couple clones in case it's good.

I'll be cracking the beans I got on the bay pretty soon. But really need to get my PH sorted and the brand of nutes I'm going to use and the medium.

 

[Guest]

Update.... The strain is supposed to be Blueberry X White Widow.

 

[stinkyattic]

Doesn't blueberry have a reputation for producing oddly-shaped leaves?

 

[B.C.]

Yes, it does. I still can't for the life of me figure out why someone with such a large selection to chose from, and breed with, would use somethin like that? Some folks get offened by this question, but still, there it is...... What was DJ thinkin? BC

 

[GeorgeSmiley]

I think that most people would disagree with you since it's the base for so many awesome strains that other people made using BB completely independent of DJ Short.

Look at the strain lineage thread here http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=12330 and notice how often BB comes up in the crosses. Some awesome strains there. And correct me if I'm wrong here (seriously)Most of those strains also don't have mutant and herm problems like the BB by itself.

 

[B.C.]

Hit and miss...

Hit and miss...

Mutants are a flaw in the genetic dna code. There is no way of knowing when or how much it will affect the offspring. Jus like people. Sometimes it will show up the first go around, sometimes it can be recessed for generations, or sometimes it won't show up at all. My point is, if one had so many ta choose from, why use one that has those traits at all? After growing 3 packs of BB and seeing so many mutants, it's kinda hard fer me to believe DJ wasn't aware of this problem too. Anyhoo, this plant Jack has showed us is a mutant, I'd bet money on it! lol... So where do ya reckon it got that flaw from? Even if the BB parent of this plant was jus fine, it may have still have carried the mutant trait, only recessed, so you'd never know it. My thoughts on it anyway. Take care... BC

 

[GeorgeSmiley]

Okay so I totally missed your point and but now I see what you're saying. Why would anyone pick the one that throws mutant genes? I guess my only point was that I'm glad he did because of the result. lol two totally different subjects.

 

[3dDream]

I think the mutant comes from the original parents that DJ gathered (my memory says the thai plants did it). With than in mind, DJ's all about the end product; shape, yield, etc are secondary.

 

[Guest]

So now it appears to be the runt vs the mutant lol....... These are both seeds that didn't germ until I nicked them. I nicked the runt a little too much and the cotyledon came out with a cut in it.

I think both might have had problems with my little starter mix. I don't think I stirred it long enough. They were transplanted yesterday into #1's with Happy Frog cut with perlite and dolomite lime.

Then a pic of each today.
First pic is both together at sprout. The one on the left is the runt and right is the mutant.


Here is a pic of the runt now



Here is a pic of the mutant.

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