Leaf Issues please check

[Mastermind23]

Hello guys,
I popped some Beans of Mataro Blue by Kannabia and HolyGrailKush by DNA and did mainline them for the first time.

When I transplanted lastly to 15l fabric pots(6 days ago) I watered them with about 5l ph6,8 /EC 0,7 per pot with no drain at all.
Now I think this was probably too much for them coming from 6,5l pots,. The medium is still not ready to be watered again and I think I have to wait 2-3 more days. So Overwatered for sure ? Or do you also wait so long when putting small plants into big pots ?

Now I see almost no growth of the new tops of my Mataro Blue and kind of burned tips and pale leafvenes. Some tips look yellowish , some are already totally dry and dead. I hope the plant is building roots at the moment, but I am not sure, what`s exactly wrong, this is because I am asking for opinions of the growers here.

The Holy Grail Kush on the second picture is growing really good, but also has issues with its tips, but no lockout at all.

Additonal Information:
Plagron Grow Mix with extra Perlite
LED Fullspectrum ~450 PPFD
rH 60% 24°C 20/4


So what can I do except waiting to dry out and water cautiously and less with low EC, PH-down water ?
Or do I am wrong and they need something instead of havin too much?

I am thinking that there is a wet zone in the medium where the nutrients kind of burn the roots, but I am not sure why because as I said I gave them 5l water each at once and got no drain, so this wasn't enough?

As I am occuring problem with soil, I will try Coco next time, as I heard I have more control and hard time to overwater or let them get wet feet.

So how would you proceed here next watering, which EC should I give and which amount of solution per plant?
Shall I water even more than last time, that I see drain or water less at once but more often ?
Best regards and keep on growing

 

[Creeperpark]

When you put a small plant into a large container you raise the water holding capacity. That means the plant will be exposed to more water from the excess amount of soil in the transplant. So you need to wait and don't try to fix anything until the soil dries out on watering day. When the soil dries enough to be watered again on a watering day. Measure the amount of water it takes to get a discharge. When you first see the water come out of the bottom stop and remember how much you used.

When you know what your water holding capacity is you can water with precision. If you add fertilizer to the water you have to have discharge out the bottom to keep the salts from accumulating. Knowing how much your pot holds allows you to minimize or maximize the amount of water to maintain a steady EC.

 

[Mastermind23]

If you add fertilizer to the water you have to have discharge out the bottom to keep the salts from accumulating.

So if I did not get any drain at all, there could be a saltaccumulation in the depth of the pot, because of the prefed soil, but probably just a small one. T
here also could be issues with my tapwater( as I do not know exactly about the water-ingredients from the supplier(like chlorid,Pb etc.). onyl know it has low Mg and EC of 0,5 from tapwaterr But I added about 40% distilled water this time to exclude this issue.
I just checked intensely for pests and did not find anything alive there.

SO I could not find spider mites or thripse or louse. The little brown particles on the leaves is just soil.


SO this could be too much nutrients or some kind of light burn, as I only see it on the leaves that are close to the light, but I did not overlight them, maybe a bit, just for a while.
So the question now is should I adda little bit of 15/10/15 and CalMag to feed with an EC of maybe 1,0-1,5 or should I just feed with a little bit calmag 0,6 EC next time? So what would you do ?j

I have uploaded a new picture of a new leave, which is showing what I mean (better zoom in)
These new leaves are also a little bit lighter-coloured than the old ones.

I added a further picture of a leave of my Holy Grail Kush that looks crinkled and pale-coloured, take a look at it( Could this be some kind of bacterial-pest?)
I see trichomes on the leaves as well, is this right are there trichomes even before flowering ?

And I added a picture of the whole plant to give your guys an easier time. You can spot the parts I zoomed in on this picture.



So I don't wanna misread the plant, as it could be overfed or lack of nutrients.
So would you water with a fertilized solution or just with tapwater ? And which EC would you aim for a first fertilized solution here and why ?

 

[mr.brunch]

5 L is a lot for a 15L pot…. I use 20 L pots and only water with 1.5 L every couple of days.
Seems like that much would water log the soil.

 

[Mastermind23]

5 L is a lot for a 15L pot…. I use 20 L pots and only water with 1.5 L every couple of days.
Seems like that much would water log the soil.

Yes, I also said and thought this was too much, but still no drain and not wet soaked, maybe just a little bit wet. I transplanted them 2 times within 2 days, the first transplant i gave about 3l and the second transplant about 2 l. This summed up to 5l. So my fault, but I did not want dry spots after transplanting between the rootball and the new soil. So a lot of stress with mainlining, cutting leaves and transplanting, too.

But this morning I saw growth on all of them. The thin leaved HolyGrail kush,which I messed up with on the first picture and the Mataro Blue on the second picture. They grow, but not as fast as my Holy Grail Kush#1 on the third picture

 

[Creeperpark]

So if I did not get any drain at all, there could be a saltaccumulation in the depth of the pot, because of the prefed soil, but probably just a small one. T
here also could be issues with my tapwater( as I do not know exactly about the water-ingredients from the supplier(like chlorid,Pb etc.). onyl know it has low Mg and EC of 0,5 from tapwaterr But I added about 40% distilled water this time to exclude this issue.
I just checked intensely for pests and did not find anything alive there.

SO I could not find spider mites or thripse or louse. The little brown particles on the leaves is just soil.


SO this could be too much nutrients or some kind of light burn, as I only see it on the leaves that are close to the light, but I did not overlight them, maybe a bit, just for a while.
So the question now is should I adda little bit of 15/10/15 and CalMag to feed with an EC of maybe 1,0-1,5 or should I just feed with a little bit calmag 0,6 EC next time? So what would you do ?j

I have uploaded a new picture of a new leave, which is showing what I mean (better zoom in)
These new leaves are also a little bit lighter-coloured than the old ones.

I added a further picture of a leave of my Holy Grail Kush that looks crinkled and pale-coloured, take a look at it( Could this be some kind of bacterial-pest?)
I see trichomes on the leaves as well, is this right are there trichomes even before flowering ?

And I added a picture of the whole plant to give your guys an easier time. You can spot the parts I zoomed in on this picture.



So I don't wanna misread the plant, as it could be overfed or lack of nutrients.
So would you water with a fertilized solution or just with tapwater ? And which EC would you aim for a first fertilized solution here and why ?

I wouldn't add anything to your soil unless it needed it. Most new potting mixes don't have to be fertilized for a few weeks because they have a nutrient charge added to them already. Adding fertilizer too early can raise the EC and burn the plant leaves. You need an EC meter to know how much salt is in the potting mix. Otherwise, it's just a guessing game.

 

[Mastermind23]

I wouldn't add anything to your soil unless it needed it. Most new potting mixes don't have to be fertilized for a few weeks because they have a nutrient charge added to them already. Adding fertilizer too early can raise the EC and burn the plant leaves. You need an EC meter to know how much salt is in the potting mix. Otherwise, it's just a guessing game.

My soil is prefertilized for 21 days says Plagron.
So Plants are now 11 Days inside. The medium is still wet from first watering since transplanting.
I am surprised that they still don't need water. 11 days without watering.
I have bought everything I need, also an EC-Meter.You probably measure the drain as my EC-meter only can measure liquids. I had no drain, so I do not know. I try to get a little bit of drain to measure then.So I will watch out and fertilize when the time has come.

 

[joepotsmoker]

Yea, so like transplant twice in 2 days? You prolly shocked the he'll outa ur baby, did you use any sort of like microbe? I do. And like, no runoff with 5 liters and you still don't gotta water? It kinda sounds like either your plant is totally locked up(maybe flush with ph corrected water) bc of your prefetilization, maybe. Or the babies just don't like the soil so hot, I use an inert material and basically make sure of that, then add in as I go. It's like getting something used to poison, u don't Wana give them a full dose off the bat, those time release fertilizers I've found can hurt your babies and or roots. Idk my experience. Also your not draining at all, I got a 15 gal maybe 20, idk.. don't quote me, but thats not the point, I fed sunday, it was an established clone 1 liter food water mix it leaked out about idk, a solo cup maybe, I watered like Tues, still about a solo cup out the bottom and thurs, I dump a gallon of water in, if it'll take it, flush a bit, then no water, u still gotta check like an inch or two for lile dryness and then like today I'll feed again. But my soil has nothing so like, everytime u water your plants it feeds them too so like it could be locked idk.
*this is all my opinion I'm a stoner

 

[joepotsmoker]

Nm I didn't read, I overlooked your last post, they seem better lmao, sorry man

Yes, I also said and thought this was too much, but still no drain and not wet soaked, maybe just a little bit wet. I transplanted them 2 times within 2 days, the first transplant i gave about 3l and the second transplant about 2 l. This summed up to 5l. So my fault, but I did not want dry spots after transplanting between the rootball and the new soil. So a lot of stress with mainlining, cutting leaves and transplanting, too.

But this morning I saw growth on all of them. The thin leaved HolyGrail kush,which I messed up with on the first picture and the Mataro Blue on the second picture. They grow, but not as fast as my Holy Grail Kush#1 on the third picture

Smh lol

 

[joepotsmoker]

Also get a ppm meter it seems like your having watter issues, I'm starting with water with a ppm of like 70 ph 6.8. N bc of the meter I always know if it's messed up, water is a big part of this equation
Just wah I do anyway

 

[Creeperpark]

Yes, I also said and thought this was too much, but still no drain and not wet soaked, maybe just a little bit wet. I transplanted them 2 times within 2 days, the first transplant i gave about 3l and the second transplant about 2 l. This summed up to 5l. So my fault, but I did not want dry spots after transplanting between the rootball and the new soil. So a lot of stress with mainlining, cutting leaves and transplanting, too.

But this morning I saw growth on all of them. The thin leaved HolyGrail kush,which I messed up with on the first picture and the Mataro Blue on the second picture. They grow, but not as fast as my Holy Grail Kush#1 on the third picture

Please post a photo of the whole plant from the side view.

 

[Creeperpark]

My soil is prefertilized for 21 days says Plagron.
So Plants are now 11 Days inside. The medium is still wet from first watering since transplanting.
I am surprised that they still don't need water. 11 days without watering.
I have bought everything I need, also an EC-Meter.You probably measure the drain as my EC-meter only can measure liquids. I had no drain, so I do not know. I try to get a little bit of drain to measure then.So I will watch out and fertilize when the time has come.

EC meter is for all the liquids going in too. If you can't catch the runoff at least you will know what going in with the meter.

 

[Mastermind23]

EC meter is for all the liquids going in too. If you can't catch the runoff at least you will know what going in with the meter.

Yes thats clear to me already.


Yesterday I shut off two 17W e27 6500k bulbs, which I added for more blueish spectrum and to maintain higher temps.
I am not sure why the plants seem to do better without them.
The result was a lower VPD and less blue light.
Also weighed the plants and they weigh all 7kg now. I remembered their starting weight without water were about 6,6kg. I am Fan of letting the medium get pretty dry to skyrocket the plants.

 

[Mastermind23]

Please post a photo of the whole plant from the side view.

Np. Mataro Blue smells the best, really potent and just tasty like Bubblegum just my gusto, so I want to keep her. I marked it blue, where I saw some growth.

 

[joepotsmoker]

Just think parts per million, ppm. Idk like do your math like that, don't convert. I personally don't, it just tells you how dirty your water is essentially like how much shit besides water you got, if you wana know what's there u gona have to get a water testing kit or just get a filter and start with nothing, then you know exactly what u got. And the light numbers are just numbers without a meter, so like do whatever works best, depending on your spectrum it could be too much blue, could just be overdoing it. Prolly all that is

 

[Mastermind23]

Also get a ppm meter it seems like your having watter issues, I'm starting with water with a ppm of like 70 ph 6.8. N bc of the meter I always know if it's messed up, water is a big part of this equation
Just wah I do anyway

I am already thinking about testing the water, as I am living in an region where it could be really bad regarding heavy metals and shit like chlor etc.

I also got a Carbonit Sanuno On-Desk Filter, which works with Activecharcoal, I will try soon.
I tried the filter, but it does not remove minerals, only lead,copper, pesticides, medicament residues, bacterias,
so I am now down to 550 ppm. Hope to get it under 500 when I let it stand for a day or two.

 

[PlastikeRubba]

Asymmetric leaves with "virus spots":

Zinc deficiency. AKA Calmag + Potassium toxicity.

 

[Mastermind23]

Zinc deficiency. AKA Calmag + Potassium toxicity.

So this analysis sounds technically correct and confirms the composition of the soil 216 N 252 P 432 K combined with my hard water with 295 ppm through minerals, Nitrate and Chalk.
STILL NOT SURE ABOUT THE ZINC.
And not sure about the quality of the genetic.

 

[Mastermind23]

Anyone knows what's wrong here?

First picture: Mataro Blue
Second picture: Holy Grail Kush

 

[joepotsmoker]

Anyone knows what's wrong here?

First picture: Mataro Blue
Second picture: Holy Grail Kush

What medium are you growing in?
It almost looks like a plant pruning it's own roots or a rootbound"ish" plant or a clone pushing roots...
Idk,
Need more context.
They deff need som cal mag.
Maybe flush with some ph corrected water, like alot, it could be a salt buildup,
I got a few plants looking similar.
I gave the reasons mine look like that,
That and I don't have any calmag right now, so if u haven't hit then with that calmag like dude said.
Also it reminds me of a plant I had in a small container that got mad at me I was being lazy...
Big plants do not like small pots...
Looking at it again u may be burning your shit a bit... how hot are you running your nutes?
Lol.. mad different things lmao