Laurence Cherniak's 37°C Hashish Cure

[Sam_Skunkman]

Well the terpenes are not exactly made in the resin heads but on the underside of it, in a rosette of gland cells.
I thought that the terpenes were already formed before reaching those cells when they are still only precursors, my apologies for such a major mistake.
Yes it is all opinion, theory and hypothesis , did I ever say otherwise???
I am trying very hard to educate myself and it is interesting how you are judging people when they are doing what you have done as you just mentioned.
I have actually repeatedly stated the fact that it was opinion and hypothesis.
I love the uneducated experience part, never heard that one before, quite funny.

Who knows FC if we had met and did not know each other we might have found much in common, like our love of good hashish, but I still stick to what I have said about pressing, it does not help with psycho-activity, of that I am pretty sure of. I will be happy to change my mind after you have published work on pressing that proves otherwise, until then I will stick to what I know now.
I have never seen an quality improvement from pressing, never after years and years of pressing and experimentations.
I have had similar disagreements many times before, like when I said terpenes were mainly responsible for modifying THC's effects, not the other Cannabinoids, I was laughed at by many, no problem, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.
Now it is accepted by all that terpenes are the main reason we have so many different effects found in basically THC only varieties.
-SamS

 

[EsterEssence]

Bag, my response was not directed only to you, in my years of dry sifting I have tried a couple methods of getting all I can out of the raw plant material. Only the 99,9 and the #2 which is somewhere in the 90% head range will even press into something I would put my rep on. If I tried a third tumble in might press into a blonde mass not very sticky and you can age it as much as you like it does not change, in 4 months it is still crap...

 

[Frenchy Cannoli]

We have common ground, love of travel and dedication to the resin.
What about decarboxylation? Do you not want to activate your Cannabinoids or do you think it is all happening perfectly when you smoke and there is no need for it???

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Everything I know shows that when you smoke you decarboxylate just fine, vaping is almost as good.
Eating is a different story as you do want it decarboxylated first as well as a oil/fat or alcohol carrier to the blood stream.
-SamS

 

[gaiusmarius]

How about this,
Will pressing low quality dry sift give more of an effect than unpressed low quality dry sift.
The reason I ask is. Since some seem to have the opinion that pressed is stronger, could it be that there just is not enough pure thc in the dry sift sample to give a good effect, so instead of experiencing a proper high,this might make the user believe a more cbd effect is actually what they prefer and believe to be a good thc high?But in reality if they had a good dry sift sample say 99% pure, the difference would be so clear that they would not prefer the pressed sample, as the thc effect would be stronger than the cbd effect and give a more correct opinion?
Hope I make myself understood...

All the best

BagAppeal

yes this is another possibility; pressing and curing will allow some thc to convert to cbd there by changing the way it hits you. thats what it's about after all, we all know you can't magically change bs hash into good quality hash. but there is a lot of qualities between bs and the best. so if your hash is clean enough to give a decent smoke, then you can change it with curing and or pressing. but you can't make it stronger, just change the thc to cbd rations and be rid of the remaining chlorophyll through natural evaporation that occurs over time. this won't make it stronger either, but the taste is improved ten fold.

like i said it's only when you get to the really clean stuff like the 73 bag in a good batch of bubble or really clean drysift, then pressing it is just a pain in the ass when you want to smoke it again as it will get so oily it will be a pain to deal with and there is no big difference in the taste as it's so clean to start with, so i never press my high quality hash that i get from bubble hash tech. the above concerns polinator hash or whats called farmers hash by some.

 

[Luther Burbank]

It was my understanding THC degrades into CBN, not CBD.

 

[Frenchy Cannoli]

Everything I know shows that when you smoke you decarboxylate just fine, vaping is almost as good.
Eating is a different story as you do want it decarboxylated first as well as a oil/fat or alcohol carrier to the blood stream.
-SamS

Eating is different and actually do not need decarboxylation because the cannabinoids are processed by the liver and I will quote Mahmoud A. ElSohly, PhD, Research Professor at the Research Institute of Pharmaceutical Sciences at the University of Mississippi, stated the following in a Dec. 19, 2005 interview with the Journal of the International Hemp Association:
"The material taken orally goes through the liver and is converted to the 11-hydroxy metabolite, which is 4-5 times more potent in terms of psychoactivity, before getting into the bloodstream, and the profile of these two drugs is quite different."
On the other hand decarboxylating seems to have some added potentials according to some edibles specialists that I trust but there is no science behind just observations I think.

 

[Elmer Bud]

It was my understanding THC degrades into CBN, not CBD.

G`day LB

Yep . RC got it wrong back in MJ Botany . I even quoted it myself . Till some one informed it was out of date info .
If CBD aint there at harvest no amount of cure can make it appear .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[Luther Burbank]

He corrected this in his newest work with Mark Merlin. Incredible read. Worth every penny.

 

[gaiusmarius]

It was my understanding THC degrades into CBN, not CBD.

cheers for the correction.

i suppose cbn thc ratios will also change the turn, as my experience tells me the turn changes with curing, what ever is exactly occurring.

 

[Elmer Bud]

cheers for the correction.

i suppose cbn thc ratios will also change the turn, as my experience tells me the turn changes with curing, what ever is exactly occurring.

G`day Giaus

From what Sam tells us a field of hash plants can contain high THC / low CBD ,and low THC / high CBD plants . So when the field is harvested and processed . They all mix together . There fore traditional hash had / has CBD . In the mixture .

I doubt Bubble or sift made from modern drug type plants has much CBD .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Eating is different and actually do not need decarboxylation because the cannabinoids are processed by the liver and I will quote Mahmoud A. ElSohly, PhD, Research Professor at the Research Institute of Pharmaceutical Sciences at the University of Mississippi, stated the following in a Dec. 19, 2005 interview with the Journal of the International Hemp Association:
"The material taken orally goes through the liver and is converted to the 11-hydroxy metabolite, which is 4-5 times more potent in terms of psychoactivity, before getting into the bloodstream, and the profile of these two drugs is quite different."
On the other hand decarboxylating seems to have some added potentials according to some edibles specialists that I trust but there is no science behind just observations I think.

Mahamoud ElSohly is a very good friend and he was referring to THC not THCA that when eaten is converted into 11 Hydroxy THC by the liver which as you say is stronger and different then just THC when smoked. Eaten Cannabis or hashish does need to be decarboxylated or it will have minimum effects, pressed hash is partially decarboxylated, a mixture of THCA/THC. If you reread the interview maybe you can see what he meant? If you want to get really high from eating Cannabis products you need THC not THCA, as well as an oil/fat carrier or alcohol. I use clarified Ghee.

-SamS

 

[Frenchy Cannoli]

I will reread the interview since I am actually looking for a confirmation one way or the other. THanks.

 

[mofeta]

Hi Frenchy

THCA is the acid form of THC, and does not get you high.

If you take the acid part of the THCA molecule away, it becomes THC, that does get you high. The process of removing the part that makes it acidic is called "decarboxylation" (this is because the acid part you are getting rid of is called a carboxyl).

When the plant is growing, most (almost all) of the THC is the acid form, THCA. Once you pick it, as it dries, some of the THCA naturally decarboxylates into the active form THC. As it cures, over time, it continues to do so until eventually it has more THC than THCA.

So, since THCA does not get you high, if you eat fresh weed, you wont get a whole lot of buzz. You will get some, because there is some THC in there too, and for other reasons that noone is quite sure about. If you do want to eat weed that hasn't been sitting around for long enough to decarboxylate on its own, you can caused decarboxylation by heating the weed, by cooking it in food, or whatever. Then it will get you high when you eat it.

You don't need to decarboxylate weed or hash beforehand if you are going to smoke it. As it burns, it instantly decarboxylates into the active form, THC.

So you only need to decarboxylate your buds or hash or oil or whatever if you plan on eating it.

If you are smoking it, it doesn't matter. Fresh uncarboxylated material and decarboxylated will both deliver the same amount of THC to the lungs. So when it comes to smoking, decarboxylated is no more potent.

By the way, do you know who founded, and runs the International Hemp Association?

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

G`day Giaus

From what Sam tells us a field of hash plants can contain high THC / low CBD ,and low THC / high CBD plants . So when the field is harvested and processed . They all mix together . There fore traditional hash had / has CBD . In the mixture .

I doubt Bubble or sift made from modern drug type plants has much CBD .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

Beside THC plants one quarter of total plants, and CBD plants one quarter, you also have THC/CBD plants about half of total, in Afghanistan, but the end is the same, all most all, if not all Afghan hash has THC/CBD in it.
-SamS

 

[jump117]

can't make it stronger, just change the thc to cbd rations

i suppose cbn thc ratios will also change the turn, as my experience tells me the turn changes with curing, what ever is exactly occurring.

THC degrades faster than CBD.

CBD/THC ratio increases with curing due to different rates of degradation.

 

[Frenchy Cannoli]

Hi Frenchy

THCA is the acid form of THC, and does not get you high.

If you take the acid part of the THCA molecule away, it becomes THC, that does get you high. The process of removing the part that makes it acidic is called "decarboxylation" (this is because the acid part you are getting rid of is called a carboxyl).

When the plant is growing, most (almost all) of the THC is the acid form, THCA. Once you pick it, as it dries, some of the THCA naturally decarboxylates into the active form THC. As it cures, over time, it continues to do so until eventually it has more THC than THCA.

So, since THCA does not get you high, if you eat fresh weed, you wont get a whole lot of buzz. You will get some, because there is some THC in there too, and for other reasons that noone is quite sure about. If you do want to eat weed that hasn't been sitting around for long enough to decarboxylate on its own, you can caused decarboxylation by heating the weed, by cooking it in food, or whatever. Then it will get you high when you eat it.

You don't need to decarboxylate weed or hash beforehand if you are going to smoke it. As it burns, it instantly decarboxylates into the active form, THC.

So you only need to decarboxylate your buds or hash or oil or whatever if you plan on eating it.

If you are smoking it, it doesn't matter. Fresh uncarboxylated material and decarboxylated will both deliver the same amount of THC to the lungs. So when it comes to smoking, decarboxylated is no more potent.

By the way, do you know who founded, and runs the International Hemp Association?

I understand the concept of THCA and THA Mofeta. Thanks for taking the time anyway, but is it THC or THCA which can pass the blood barrier? I understand that the decarboxylation is happening while you smoke, the more heat, the faster it occurs but I believed that it had to be within reasonable ranges. My understanding is that it works with vape but does it when it combust almost instantly?
The data concerning the liver processing the THC and not the THCA or vice versa are few and I have not been able to find a positive evidence one way or the other until Sam told me that I could actually find it in Mahamoud ElSohly book that I had just quoted to him. So i will get back to it.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Hi Frenchy

THCA is the acid form of THC, and does not get you high.

If you take the acid part of the THCA molecule away, it becomes THC, that does get you high. The process of removing the part that makes it acidic is called "decarboxylation" (this is because the acid part you are getting rid of is called a carboxyl).

When the plant is growing, most (almost all) of the THC is the acid form, THCA. Once you pick it, as it dries, some of the THCA naturally decarboxylates into the active form THC. As it cures, over time, it continues to do so until eventually it has more THC than THCA.

You would be surprised how little of the THCA turned to THC from age, it seemed to make as much or more CBNA then THC.
I got this from mediacaljane.com but it what we found when storing bud in the dark at cool room temps 15c-20c? Two years later almost all was still THCA, a little THC and more CBNA. The terpenes were disappearing, the potency with it. With real fresh harvested buds almost all the THC was still in the form of THCA.

"When the plant develops THCA, it usually will be converted to THC as a result of heat or UV light. That being said, THCA can be converted to CBNA over time as well. Prolonged exposure to air causes the THCA to lose hydrogen molecules and oxidize; now we have CBNA. Just like the rest of the acidic cannabinoids, CBNA will convert to cannabinol (CBN) when exposed to heat or UV light."
-SamS


So, since THCA does not get you high, if you eat fresh weed, you wont get a whole lot of buzz. You will get some, because there is some THC in there too, and for other reasons that noone is quite sure about. If you do want to eat weed that hasn't been sitting around for long enough to decarboxylate on its own, you can caused decarboxylation by heating the weed, by cooking it in food, or whatever. Then it will get you high when you eat it.

You don't need to decarboxylate weed or hash beforehand if you are going to smoke it. As it burns, it instantly decarboxylates into the active form, THC.

So you only need to decarboxylate your buds or hash or oil or whatever if you plan on eating it.

If you are smoking it, it doesn't matter. Fresh uncarboxylated material and decarboxylated will both deliver the same amount of THC to the lungs. So when it comes to smoking, decarboxylated is no more potent.

By the way, do you know who founded, and runs the International Hemp Association?

x

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

I understand the concept of THCA and THA Mofeta. Thanks for taking the time anyway, but is it THC or THCA which can pass the blood barrier? I understand that the decarboxylation is happening while you smoke, the more heat, the faster it occurs but I believed that it had to be within reasonable ranges. My understanding is that it works with vape but does it when it combust almost instantly?
The data concerning the liver processing the THC and not the THCA or vice versa are few and I have not been able to find a positive evidence one way or the other until Sam told me that I could actually find it in Mahamoud ElSohly book that I had just quoted to him. So i will get back to it.

Its not in an ElSohly book it was in the JIHA interview with him.
-SamS

 

[Frenchy Cannoli]

Its not in an ElSohly book it was in the JIHA interview with him.
-SamS

Could you direct me to it, I would really appreciate.
Thanks