Large Sour Bubble clones compared through Flowering...One is Double Potted and...

[BushyOldGrower]

The plant in the left is step elevated without the sleeve. These sour bubble clones have been vegged about 10 weeks at least and have each been topped once or twice. They have equal total amounts of soil and have grown from babes together side by side. All genetics and conditions are as equal as I could make them. My contention is that the one with the sleeve may yield more even though the other has a bigger root system currently established and is currently in better health if you look at the color.

The plant on the left was in a 2.5 gallon pot while the one on the right was in only a 2 gallon. So the transplants were done a few days apart with the one on the right getting transplanted first about a week before flower begins and the other on the left having been transplanted just 4 days ago so there was a 3 day difference in transplanting time but thats it.

Here we go at June 1 and I am moving them both to flower under their own 600 watt hps. On June 2nd they are on flowering day #1 as I start counting when one 12/12 cycle has been completed, not before. So is everything clear?

BOG

 

[Guest]

SourBubble

SourBubble

Which clones are those from? The Mom or from any of the back crosses? They look quite nice about as big as i have gotten my moms so far maybe a lil larger. Im very hopeful to get a nice clone up to a decent size to get a good yield off of it. As the buds are so damn hard and dense they yield decent even if there isn't much buds. Well keep me updating Jubei

 

[bartender187]

Let me get this right... your thinkin the one with sleeve from the old pot will yield better? im just high and confused.

this should be fun.

 

[CalcioErba2004]

ever since taking a peak at your book and reading the article in HT, we are going to elevate every transplant from now on. It just makes sense to us BOG, thank you. :smile:

 

[Niemand]

Nice Example.....

Now in your article in the current HT it says....

"Cutting the bottoms from the pot is wasteful, however, and the best method doesnt require it. Simply remove the rootbound plant from its pot and place it on top of new soil in a bigger container"

My 1st question is... are you saying that furthur research has caused you to modify the above statement? And that the best method may in fact be that way? (Bottomless pots?) and is the sleeve a bottomless pot?

Now, my 2nd question is... can you place it on the top of a full pot? In your picture it seems that it is pretty far down from the top of the bigger container...in fact it appears to be the full length (of the smaller pot) from the top.... IOW, would it work in the larger pot was full and the smaller placed on top of it.

Lastly.... Any idea on when the book will be coming to a seedbay near me? Any plans for Amazon or BN to carry it?

Nam Myoho Renge Kyo! Jah Bless! Peace.

 

[BushyOldGrower]

many good minds here...

many good minds here...

How observant you all are.

First, this is the sour bubble clone from the original clone mom not from any seeds made. This clone is what every sour bubble seed is grown on.

Very interesting how you noted that I prefer the new way of transplanting over the old. I think they will probably be about equal this time because the elevated transplant is well elevated even without a sleeve.

I intend to show the results as they happen however and we shall see. I gave the elevated transplant the advantage over the double potted with sleeve this time to see if one is better or not. If indeed the old way with the sleeve is better than perhaps my statement is incorrect.

You see my results could go either way since I have never done it exactly this way. Isn't it fun to see results for yourselves?

The reason for less depth in the sleeved one is that its wider so to have the same amount of soil one had to be deeper. I like a wide base to the root structure so lets see how this demo goes and make your own judgement about which method will be worth the trouble for you. It's really 6 of one and half a dozen of the other if you ask me.

Some people dont take long enough before transplant requiring the sleeve to maintain the integrity of the rootball above the lower level of the soil. Which ever way works better for you is fine but both employ the same principle that allows continued rooting in flower with a late transplant. I feel that the elevation helps air get into the roots enhancing yields.

Watch the narrower potted plant continue to get a bit taller while the other will tend to get a bit wider due to the pot and root structure. Understand what will be demonstrated here and we can both learn something. Maybe you could learn something even from this dummy. BOG

 

[Niemand]

Lastly.... Any idea on when the book will be coming to a seedbay near me? Any plans for Amazon or BN to carry it?

Nam Myoho Renge Kyo! Jah Bless! Peace.

Just came from OG where someone was asking the same thing...

I read in High Times that BOG has a book called Bonanza of Green... know where I can order it?? I can't find it anywhere.

Anyway, peace!

Tell us, Oh Wise one..... WHAT is the answer!!!

Ik Ben Niemand - The Truth Squad

EDIT: I actually appreciate that you are open to change and evolving and adapting as "research" dictates and that you do you research in REAL-TIME!
After I get your book I plan on trying it on some of your genetics... BOGBubble, Lifesaver, LSD and Grape Punch are my choices.... Which would you recommend are the easiest? Jah Bless

A few books not as yet paid for may be resold soon. The printer is working to make me a bunch now so be patient as it takes 3 weeks to get them done.

The book is the basics of my method which is indoors in soil and has no info about hydroponics. It is for beginneers who wish to learn my methods. Actually a picture book with so many photos. BOG

 

[BushyOldGrower]

Lifesaver is probably the easiest of those.

Lifesaver is probably the easiest of those.

In fact putting forward any hypothesis or theory doesn't mean that the researcher has an opinion one way of the other. In fact I must always be willing to disregard my previous statements and check the results.

This thread should help resolve any controversy about which is better to a degree but there are other variables. In my book both ways are discussed but I recommend Elevated Step Transplanting over Double Potting just for the ease of no pot/sleeve changing. It really is just as easy either way though if you save some cut pots.

We are at 2 weeks flowering now and the buds are numerous. They are noticably growing each day now. The double potted plant seems to be caught up and possible passing the elevated step planted one. The buds which are more numerous are slightly fatter. Wider is better!

As this continues we will all see the results in real time because only real time demo's with continuous updates are evidence of anything really when online IMHO. Bullshit walks.

My demo threads are fact. Can't always predict the outcomes though. That's science for you. *dances and chants wildly* BOG

 

[Dr. D]

this will be interesting, they both look lush il be trying this out with my next grow but i probly wont be doing it so close to flower with smaller plants and smaller pots than urs unless i can find something better to suit my needs for now...peace

these G13bx's are the selected candidates

 

[HairyBass]

Great thread! I'm a newbie and appreciate how the veterans openly share information. Thanks BOG.
HB

 

[fallenangel]

i just love seeing two big sour bubble bushes in the middle of the kitchen

 

[Guest]

The elevated one in the sleeve DOES appear to be bushier and fuller and offers more budsites IMO. Still watching with great interest for updates, as I am currently in pots I have no choice but to cut the bottom out of and teir transplant. I'm also equally confident that BOG will get exceptional yields off both, but the elevated one in the sleeve looks to produce more bud sites.

 

[packn2puff]

With the sleeve it seem the roots would get less air, but protection, containment forcing the root system down...With the sleeve off, more air to the roots, but also possible root exposer.
I don't know which way would be better...seems like watering tecniques might be an interesting variable...like watering the lower soil, but not the elevated sleeved soil...at least not much water or only water on top and nute mix water below...nute on top water below? Yeah all kinds of tuning to be had...
Does the root system depth of MJ effect it's overall height in any way?
Maybe three tiers sleeved and super elevated (like 5cm crossover depth) all pots full...and tiered feeding...
When I just transplanted I sort of elevated without even seeing this or any other info on elevated transplants..I just wanted more soil between the bottom of the old and the bottom of the new pot. With supertiered soil vertical height, maybe get a nice hydraulic suction drawing air in and draining nicely...by say not watering the 2nd tier, but 1 & 3...hmmm interesting stuff BOG.

 

[BushyOldGrower]

RealTime June 23 pic in hps room...

RealTime June 23 pic in hps room...

I have switched which side they are on and they are getting the best lighting now. They share a 1000 watt agro type hps light and another 600 hps is sidelighting the elevated transplanted plant now on the right. The double potted plant on the left is wider but its hard to see here. The buds are slightly bigger already as well but they both look quite healthy to date.

Excuse this hps lighting pic but I didnt wish to move them. Given the fact that they both have 5 more weeks to flower out they look to both yield about 8 oz each. This clone makes the tightest and frostiest buds I have ever seen and the good news is that more SB3 seeds are turning out to be the sour pheno. Some are almost exactly like these clones. BOG

Get some SB 3 seeds and get working to find your mom is my advice because it will become a lifetime addiction.

 

[strain_searcher]

SB is the frostiest plant in the cab and the flowering time is stupid fast. I could take her at 35 days flower if I wanted but I want to let the seeds pollenated from a huge smelly sour bubble male ripen in her belly.

 

[bartender187]

Coolness.

now for the main attraction... one hell of a grow show.

watchin patiently

 

[BushyOldGrower]

Perhaps your search is over dude. BOG

 

[ndnguy]

One of these days I will get some of BOG'S gear, takes time to save on a medusers budget but it will get done . All of BOG'S stuff looks amazing but that sour bubble looks crazy crazy . Have always wanted to grow Lifesaver tho so that will be first on the list even tho the Sour looks supremeo.

 

[3legdog]

where is everyone

where is everyone

What happened to this most grand thread ? I have learned a lot from your ways over the years BOG & have been elevated transplanting with great results for many harvests now. Never tried to leave the sleave on yet as thats your 'new' way & i have had such success with the 1st teachn' i haven't wanted to change anything....hence the interest in this experiment you have going. My guess is the #s will be very close on those 2 trees .

I also wanted to say i just started my 1st BOG genetics ...lifesaver...6 seeds in the cups & 7 sprouts ...i don't even know what to do with the double but just 'let it grow' & pull them apart(not seperate though) as they do ? Any suggestions ? Well take care BOG..all & i hope ya have time to atleast post your results...i am sure interested Peace 3ld


heres one eleveted transplant & is now flowering should also be around 8ozs

 

[zeppelindood]

that looks like a young orange tree 3leg.... lol
fine run !