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Kumaoni Landrace (Himalayan India) and Afghan Adventures [diary]
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Not a better germination but I avoid manipulations which can stress them or contaminate them. The seedlings are fragile. And I put some mushrooms in the soil that I want them to be the first to live with my cannabis !
I follow the advice of mandala seeds (sativa breeders), for the germination -> https://www.mandalaseeds.com/Guides/Germination-Guide
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Currently seedlings and Chem91#2 in veg are at 18/6. Found a touch of PM on Chem91#2 so I pulled that leaf off and will spray Lost Coast tonight at lights out.
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Thank you. One of the new sprouts came up and it has the same root cells on the tips of its leaves and unhealthy cotyledons. So I think I need to improve my sprouting environment. I'll read this thank you. Also reading thr Khalifa landrace spouting guide here https://khalifagenetics.com/how-to-germinate-wild-landrace-seeds-successfully/. I picked up their Filipino Kibungan for a future grow as well.
Edit: Sound like I shoukd drop them direct in soil from now on. Lesson learned. Thank you @nono_fr ❤
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Interesting. Mandala is also suggesting 24/0 light cycles for germination in case the seeds sprout at nighttime. Because Im learning so much from these articles I'm going to post some of the notes here so theyre included in the diary:
From: https://www.mandalaseeds.com/Guides/Germination-Guide
- Ambient RH @ or below 55
- 24/0 light in case of nighttime sprouting
- High sensitivity to pathogens and fungi
- They can take a lot more light than typically suggested for seedlings (100-150ppfd)
From: https://www.mandalaseeds.com/Guides/Germination-Guide
- Ambient RH @ or below 55
- 24/0 light in case of nighttime sprouting
- High sensitivity to pathogens and fungi
- They can take a lot more light than typically suggested for seedlings (100-150ppfd)
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Greetings earthlings.
Just an update on Kumaoni. I have 4 now, or maybe 3.5
. I dug up some of the unsprouted pots and found clear worms munching on the root hairs. Theyre either fungus gnats or some other fungal/root feeding nematode. So they were either eggs in the seeds or a contamination from my space. Who knows but that seems to be behind the seeds sprouting but not breaking the soil.
I sprayed the soil around where planted as well as the seedlings with Lost Coast. I'm reading about identifying clear nematode species. I didnt see a black head on these but perhaps they were burrowing as I understand theyre light phobic.
Chem 91 is jamming if a tad N toxxed but overall happy.
I brewed a worm tea for my flowering plants and gave a small amount to the larger seedlings and chem 91.
With a smaller set of seedlings than I anticipated I decided to throw 4 seeds from Tonglen Song Project into the mix. He specializes in longer flowering and original / landrace genetics. He bred the Combian Gold x Super Malawi haze I just grew. Lets go!
Just an update on Kumaoni. I have 4 now, or maybe 3.5
. I dug up some of the unsprouted pots and found clear worms munching on the root hairs. Theyre either fungus gnats or some other fungal/root feeding nematode. So they were either eggs in the seeds or a contamination from my space. Who knows but that seems to be behind the seeds sprouting but not breaking the soil.I sprayed the soil around where planted as well as the seedlings with Lost Coast. I'm reading about identifying clear nematode species. I didnt see a black head on these but perhaps they were burrowing as I understand theyre light phobic.
Chem 91 is jamming if a tad N toxxed but overall happy.
I brewed a worm tea for my flowering plants and gave a small amount to the larger seedlings and chem 91.
With a smaller set of seedlings than I anticipated I decided to throw 4 seeds from Tonglen Song Project into the mix. He specializes in longer flowering and original / landrace genetics. He bred the Combian Gold x Super Malawi haze I just grew. Lets go!
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Okay ... progress!
Chem91#2 is well branched so I took 2 cuttings and those went into the clone dome. Im using thr BAS / Coots method with Agsil Potassium Silicate solution, Bioag Fulpower fulvic and aloe. Cut at 45° just under a node, scraped, soaked in the above solution, and into root riot plugs soaked with this solution. Misted them with same, mistrd inside of dome and placed under 100 ppfd of light from an HLG 65 v2 I picked up for this purpose. The v2 has a really nice dial dimmer that will dim to almost completely off.
My goal is still to clone these as they branch, sex the Kumaoni and when theyre ready and then flower and pollinate the Kumaoni and pollinate the Chem91#2 clone as a cross.
PM is running rampant outdoors anf so I came across a small patch on one of thr Kumaonis. Treated before lights out a couple times with Lost Coast + rubbing alcohol + Dr. Bronners. Works well. The small patch seems to have harmed thr leaves slightly but nothing serious.
KM#3 was ready for a new home so they went I to a 1 gallon with DNC soil, Dynomyco in the hole, optiveg chitin and greengro Biochar.
Theyre all in their 1 gallon homes now vegging towards clone time. And the chem91#2 clones are in the cloner.
These are my first clones so I'm optimistic but expecting a learning curve. I didn't soak the cuts in the solution as long as suggested. So we'll see how that goes.
Chem91#2 is well branched so I took 2 cuttings and those went into the clone dome. Im using thr BAS / Coots method with Agsil Potassium Silicate solution, Bioag Fulpower fulvic and aloe. Cut at 45° just under a node, scraped, soaked in the above solution, and into root riot plugs soaked with this solution. Misted them with same, mistrd inside of dome and placed under 100 ppfd of light from an HLG 65 v2 I picked up for this purpose. The v2 has a really nice dial dimmer that will dim to almost completely off.
My goal is still to clone these as they branch, sex the Kumaoni and when theyre ready and then flower and pollinate the Kumaoni and pollinate the Chem91#2 clone as a cross.
PM is running rampant outdoors anf so I came across a small patch on one of thr Kumaonis. Treated before lights out a couple times with Lost Coast + rubbing alcohol + Dr. Bronners. Works well. The small patch seems to have harmed thr leaves slightly but nothing serious.
KM#3 was ready for a new home so they went I to a 1 gallon with DNC soil, Dynomyco in the hole, optiveg chitin and greengro Biochar.
Theyre all in their 1 gallon homes now vegging towards clone time. And the chem91#2 clones are in the cloner.
These are my first clones so I'm optimistic but expecting a learning curve. I didn't soak the cuts in the solution as long as suggested. So we'll see how that goes.
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Kumaoni update!
So far so good. They're branching out and the fan leaves are huge. Filling up this small veg tent to capacity. I'm waiting to take cuts, they seem close but I'm very new to cloning so I'm erring on the side of more developed lower branching. So far no sign of sex.
I gave them a small topdressing today of biochar, optiveg and a little veg fertilizer from Greengro. They like it pretty dry and I also hear they like it cold in some advice from a helpful person on IG who's breeding these with Tom Hill's Deep Chunk.
Can anyone chime in and help me have a sense of when a plant is ready to take cuts/clones? Id love some advice.
Also ... what do you folks do when you run out of room in your veg space? Should root cuts and then focus on keeping those in small pots and trimming thrm way back? Or cut the parents way back so theyre shaped I to a vertical pole? Space is def an issue lol.
So far so good. They're branching out and the fan leaves are huge. Filling up this small veg tent to capacity. I'm waiting to take cuts, they seem close but I'm very new to cloning so I'm erring on the side of more developed lower branching. So far no sign of sex.
I gave them a small topdressing today of biochar, optiveg and a little veg fertilizer from Greengro. They like it pretty dry and I also hear they like it cold in some advice from a helpful person on IG who's breeding these with Tom Hill's Deep Chunk.
Can anyone chime in and help me have a sense of when a plant is ready to take cuts/clones? Id love some advice.
Also ... what do you folks do when you run out of room in your veg space? Should root cuts and then focus on keeping those in small pots and trimming thrm way back? Or cut the parents way back so theyre shaped I to a vertical pole? Space is def an issue lol.
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Okay ... progress! I started taking clones from the Kumaoni and the Chem 91. A couple of them rooted and those went into small pots with a light mix.
I checked the root situation in the 1 gallons and looking at Chem 91 first it seems theyre quite root bound
So now its time to move them to the 3 gallon autopots.
I checked the root situation in the 1 gallons and looking at Chem 91 first it seems theyre quite root bound
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I uppotted the 3 Kumaonis to 2 gallon autopots. Inuse the 5 gallons to flower but thats all I use them for so this is a bit of an experiment.
I transplanted 3 Kumaonis and the chem 91 to 2 gallon pots and fitted all the valves and tubing and tested the first valve by filling the tray then when the valve locks I turn off the water source and wait for it to be wikked up.
Theyre all now in their final veg homes. Today I took a cutting from each and placing them into root riot plugs with my rooting solution, I aced them under 12/12 lighting. These plants arent showing sex yet so Id like to try this method just for fun.
I transplanted 3 Kumaonis and the chem 91 to 2 gallon pots and fitted all the valves and tubing and tested the first valve by filling the tray then when the valve locks I turn off the water source and wait for it to be wikked up.
Theyre all now in their final veg homes. Today I took a cutting from each and placing them into root riot plugs with my rooting solution, I aced them under 12/12 lighting. These plants arent showing sex yet so Id like to try this method just for fun.
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When I spray the seedling with a spray bottle to attach the shell, it usually slides off the plant without any damage to the seedling's delicate roots after 5 or 10 minutes. Avoid doing this, as doing so with a dry shell will result in a broken egg.
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Chop chop. I know I have a vertical headroom challenge in flower so for me to allow these plants to stretch 2x in height in flower they can only be max 18" in veg, and thats marked with tape in the veg tent. So I'm just cutting back down a node and seeing how they take it. Seems like with a strong root structure theyre doing just fine. Today I took a solid about off 3 of the plants. One is a slow grower but without knowing m/f yet I'll take care of all of them.
Theyre all in autopots but Im manually filling the trays with valves I set on each individual pot. Once a day usually I'll flood the trays, shut them off, then watch how quickly the water in consumed and lift pots to estimate saturation levels.
Theyre all in autopots but Im manually filling the trays with valves I set on each individual pot. Once a day usually I'll flood the trays, shut them off, then watch how quickly the water in consumed and lift pots to estimate saturation levels.
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Good 
all.
Well I took a risk and chopped them all down vertically below 18". I estimate my flower tent will allow them to triple in height with a bit of headroom. I'll bet it gets tight regardless. My aim is to either flower clones or the mothers. I havent decided yet. Likely the mothers which will allow me more room and a robust flower period as these plants are very well developed in their 2 gallon pots.
I just watered in a worm casting tea but made a mistake ... I fed them the flower finisher I was giving my flower tent by accident. I was concerned the big boost in phosphorus and potassium would cause the problems but they seem to have taken it well.
New growth is coming up fast but chem 91 looks pissed. I'll bet she'll be okay in a few days. Shes not too thirsty, but her root system is very well developed.
My flower tent is estimated at 9 weeks, so with a 1 week dry time in the tent In thinking these kumaonis and the chem 91 will move into the flower tent in about 4 weeks, so at this point I'll just be pruning them back while focusing on rooting cuttings.
Lastly I've started to make my own fermentations for feeding the plant microbiome. Ive really been amazed at the effects the worm casting teas have on the plants. I decided to try and skip the tea and just feed everything I put in it without doing a 24 hour aeration and the plants simpmy disnt respond like they do with the AACT.
Ive been reading about KNF practices and I started a banana coffee fetmentation. I layered the bananas and coffee with EM-1 bokashi bran in a 2 gallon glass jar and when it was full I topped it off with water and mixes it up. In 3-4 weeks I'll pour off the liquids from the bottom and test it on my houseplants first.
all. Well I took a risk and chopped them all down vertically below 18". I estimate my flower tent will allow them to triple in height with a bit of headroom. I'll bet it gets tight regardless. My aim is to either flower clones or the mothers. I havent decided yet. Likely the mothers which will allow me more room and a robust flower period as these plants are very well developed in their 2 gallon pots.
I just watered in a worm casting tea but made a mistake ... I fed them the flower finisher I was giving my flower tent by accident. I was concerned the big boost in phosphorus and potassium would cause the problems but they seem to have taken it well.
New growth is coming up fast but chem 91 looks pissed. I'll bet she'll be okay in a few days. Shes not too thirsty, but her root system is very well developed.
My flower tent is estimated at 9 weeks, so with a 1 week dry time in the tent In thinking these kumaonis and the chem 91 will move into the flower tent in about 4 weeks, so at this point I'll just be pruning them back while focusing on rooting cuttings.
Lastly I've started to make my own fermentations for feeding the plant microbiome. Ive really been amazed at the effects the worm casting teas have on the plants. I decided to try and skip the tea and just feed everything I put in it without doing a 24 hour aeration and the plants simpmy disnt respond like they do with the AACT.
Ive been reading about KNF practices and I started a banana coffee fetmentation. I layered the bananas and coffee with EM-1 bokashi bran in a 2 gallon glass jar and when it was full I topped it off with water and mixes it up. In 3-4 weeks I'll pour off the liquids from the bottom and test it on my houseplants first.
We've started bokashi buckets, too.
A few months ago, i started some lactic acid from scratch, and have been using that on the house plants. I did dilute it a lot. Also added molasses to both the foliar that i used right away, and the extra jars that are now taking up room in the refrigerator.
Hubby is okay with my experiments. ( I used to make sour dough starter from scratch, so i wasn't afraid to try this.) What sort of made him go 'wow' was the price of the lactic acid type stuff that is for sale on the internet. He thought that the price was for a gallon...nope a quart. I 'll probably make up another big batch of lactic acid stuff to go with the bokashi bucket in our five gardens, in the spring. Freezers are very full, so may have to cut back on veggie garden produce, but can use the 'extra garden space' then, for corn or sunflowers for the birds.
I was sort of impressed with how the foliars have made the house plants perk up...it was obvious that they liked the application.
A few months ago, i started some lactic acid from scratch, and have been using that on the house plants. I did dilute it a lot. Also added molasses to both the foliar that i used right away, and the extra jars that are now taking up room in the refrigerator.
Hubby is okay with my experiments. ( I used to make sour dough starter from scratch, so i wasn't afraid to try this.) What sort of made him go 'wow' was the price of the lactic acid type stuff that is for sale on the internet. He thought that the price was for a gallon...nope a quart. I 'll probably make up another big batch of lactic acid stuff to go with the bokashi bucket in our five gardens, in the spring. Freezers are very full, so may have to cut back on veggie garden produce, but can use the 'extra garden space' then, for corn or sunflowers for the birds.
I was sort of impressed with how the foliars have made the house plants perk up...it was obvious that they liked the application.
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It's been a little bit so I thought it'd be time to do a little update on the kumaonis.
The flower tent is about 2 weeks away from being finished so I'm getting these guys ready to go into 12/12.
Ive been scoping nodes looking for signs of sex and theyre very stubborn. All 3 have what appear to be female parts but I'm not seeing a single white hair, maybe one but its so small I'm not sure. I am seeing the spade shape splitting in some cases. I was letting them grow towards the light as much as possible hoping to see sex but I had to cut them back because they're almost touching the light.
I took three early cuttings and put them under 12 12, one of them isn't doing so well but the other two are doing fine and I expect them to show sex soon.
Kumaoni #2 doesnt like to be cloned. Many of the cuts are failing. Could be my inexperience but the chem cuts while fussy will root. Kumaoni #2, the cut in the flower tent is dying, as are maybe half of the cuts in the cloner.
Kumaoni #1 cuts are doing well. And Kumaoni #3 while being a very weak plant also has some okay cuts.
Chem 91 took the last big lruing pretty hard as did KM#3 but theyre bouncing back. Chem wasnt drinking much at the roots for almost 2 weeks. But thenupper foliage seems okay. Only the Kumanis needed to be pruned again.
I had a change of mind in that I dont think I'll flower the males out. I think with my small space it makes better sense to do my best to flower the mothers, save cuts, keep those in veg and do my best to grow good flower. Once theyre done I'll test with friends and if one plant is especially amazing I'll reverse the cut and pollinate itself and another clone from the same plant. This will give me some seeds from just the winner genetics and I'll save those for future use or to share.
The flower tent is about 2 weeks away from being finished so I'm getting these guys ready to go into 12/12.
Ive been scoping nodes looking for signs of sex and theyre very stubborn. All 3 have what appear to be female parts but I'm not seeing a single white hair, maybe one but its so small I'm not sure. I am seeing the spade shape splitting in some cases. I was letting them grow towards the light as much as possible hoping to see sex but I had to cut them back because they're almost touching the light.
I took three early cuttings and put them under 12 12, one of them isn't doing so well but the other two are doing fine and I expect them to show sex soon.
Kumaoni #2 doesnt like to be cloned. Many of the cuts are failing. Could be my inexperience but the chem cuts while fussy will root. Kumaoni #2, the cut in the flower tent is dying, as are maybe half of the cuts in the cloner.
Kumaoni #1 cuts are doing well. And Kumaoni #3 while being a very weak plant also has some okay cuts.
Chem 91 took the last big lruing pretty hard as did KM#3 but theyre bouncing back. Chem wasnt drinking much at the roots for almost 2 weeks. But thenupper foliage seems okay. Only the Kumanis needed to be pruned again.
I had a change of mind in that I dont think I'll flower the males out. I think with my small space it makes better sense to do my best to flower the mothers, save cuts, keep those in veg and do my best to grow good flower. Once theyre done I'll test with friends and if one plant is especially amazing I'll reverse the cut and pollinate itself and another clone from the same plant. This will give me some seeds from just the winner genetics and I'll save those for future use or to share.
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In veg before transplant ...
Recently topped clones ...
Flowering under 12/12 in 5g ...
Update!
It's been a little while but not much has been happening so I didn't want to clutter this thread up with not so exciting updates.
So...
It was my first time taking clones but I managed to get at least one from all three plants. Kumaoni #1 I was only able to get one and that was the one that I rooted in the flower tent trying to tell sex which it never showed. The Kumaonis were in veg for months and never once showed pre flowers. I think it might be due to the fact that I was topping them constantly and none of the top nodes were able to really mature.
I removed the chem 91 from Cali Connection from the tent and grow completely because the one that I flowered hermied just like I had been warned and it just doesn't look or smell or smoke like chem 91 and I just am not convinced that it's what they said it was. It came out looking like some very fine but I'm happy I grew it out but in terms of doing something as a cross with it Id prefer not to at this point.
Also, the cuts I put in the flour tent never showed pre flowers and the ones in veg didn't either. So I sent genetic samples out for sex testing and they came back all female.
So now I have the Clones in the veg tent which I've all talked above the fourth node. And I up potted the two gallonies into 5 gallon fabric pots in my auto pot system. I gave them all a very nice dose of root wise mycorized, aloe to help them in their transition to new pots, and some aminos.
After about 4 days they were nearly as large as if they've been in flower for 2 months! I wanted to give them a chance to root a little bit before I cut them back. I chopped them way down to about 18 in as in my tent I have about three times that in headroom.
I gave them another 3 days and then flip them to 12:12 which is where we are right now.
Here's some of the latest pictures. I'm expecting these to go about 16 weeks. In the other kumaoni thread I read that some people take them at 8:00 some at 12 some at 16 but I'd like to go the distance. I'll look back when they start to show signs of flower.
Lets go 2023!
Recently topped clones ...
Flowering under 12/12 in 5g ...
Update!
It's been a little while but not much has been happening so I didn't want to clutter this thread up with not so exciting updates.
So...
It was my first time taking clones but I managed to get at least one from all three plants. Kumaoni #1 I was only able to get one and that was the one that I rooted in the flower tent trying to tell sex which it never showed. The Kumaonis were in veg for months and never once showed pre flowers. I think it might be due to the fact that I was topping them constantly and none of the top nodes were able to really mature.
I removed the chem 91 from Cali Connection from the tent and grow completely because the one that I flowered hermied just like I had been warned and it just doesn't look or smell or smoke like chem 91 and I just am not convinced that it's what they said it was. It came out looking like some very fine but I'm happy I grew it out but in terms of doing something as a cross with it Id prefer not to at this point.
Also, the cuts I put in the flour tent never showed pre flowers and the ones in veg didn't either. So I sent genetic samples out for sex testing and they came back all female.
So now I have the Clones in the veg tent which I've all talked above the fourth node. And I up potted the two gallonies into 5 gallon fabric pots in my auto pot system. I gave them all a very nice dose of root wise mycorized, aloe to help them in their transition to new pots, and some aminos.
After about 4 days they were nearly as large as if they've been in flower for 2 months! I wanted to give them a chance to root a little bit before I cut them back. I chopped them way down to about 18 in as in my tent I have about three times that in headroom.
I gave them another 3 days and then flip them to 12:12 which is where we are right now.
Here's some of the latest pictures. I'm expecting these to go about 16 weeks. In the other kumaoni thread I read that some people take them at 8:00 some at 12 some at 16 but I'd like to go the distance. I'll look back when they start to show signs of flower.
Lets go 2023!
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I bubble seed in glass of water with few squirts of H2O2 and few drops of seaweed for 12 hours then straight in seedling soil (BioBizz light mix is all we have in EU). Im practicing root mass instead of root ball as it gives BEST results in terms of root development and final yield. The core of this practice is root air pruning (plenty videos and info online HOW IT BENEFITS to the plant). I use 200mm mesh pots filled in half of the mix sitting inside of rose plant pot same diameter 200mm. Rose plant pots MUST have holes on the bottom for the drainage. I like rose plants pots as they are quite tall and there is enough room for air circulation. Once seedling stretched enough I filled rest of the mesh pot up to the cotyledons and then repot them into next pot depends on root mass development. Personally, root air pruning is BEST way to have massive roots and big yields IF environment dialed in.
Sorry for my english but I am sure you catch my idea and with a little bit of online search (AIR ROOT PRUNING IN MESH POTS) you can make your plants grow like the trees
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Okay ... time for an update on the Himalayan landrace/heirloom process. I was originally flowering 3 Kumaoni females indoors (11 on/13 off) but the conditions or genetics or a mix of both ended with one herming and producing a huge amount of male flowers. Not a big deal as I had clones, but one of the three was covered in male flowers and so I decided to pull her from the tent and compost. A few would be okay but she would have probably seeded the whole tent.
I also tossed her cline as well as the cline of the other similar pheno with the small buds. Shes also herming and they seem like theyre both a similar phenotype. I'm trying to keep the 2nd but the herming is increasing so well see.
Kumaoni #1 though is looking glorious. Not sure about her effects but shes very healthy, with really nice big bud structures. I have her clone/mother in a 2 gallon vegging and hopefully I'll be able to reverse her if her effects are pleasant enough.
She was getting pretty big after transplant to the 2 gallon so I decided to cut her back to about 14-16" and try rooting clones in individual zip loc bags via a Mass Medical Strains youtube tutorial. Those have been in the veg tent for a week or so now. When they root I'll uppot them and maybe use those for flowering later or a friend may plant them for his legal outdoor season this spring. I'll bet theyd be huge. These Kumaonis stretched about 4x in flower. I supercropped them bendinf them 90 degrees about 16" from the light and they grew straight up to the light again and are all just a few inches away currently.
Above you can see the Kumaoni clones rooting in little zip lock bags.
And then lastly, in my efforts to make "something from nothing", I have sprouted a pack of mystery Afghan landraces. These were freebies from Real Seed Company and were apparently mixed accidentally in transport so they were no longer able to accurately describe their origins.
Seeing how tall the Kumaonis were in a tent they are really not an indoor friendly plant unless experimenting with starting flowering perhaps from sprout (I dont have seeds yet) or flowering a clone thats very small.
So I thought Id grow out these Afghans, make a selection with nice effects and good structure and maybe a fairly quick flower period and cross to the Kumaonis for a Himalayan x Afghan hybrid that will do well indoors.
So when the Kumaoni's are finished, will dry those flowers and test them and then put the Afghans into flower. When the Afghans are done I'll test those as well, make a selection from the Clones that I'll hopefully be able to take, and then flower the Afghan and come out a selections together and most likely reverse the Kumaoni.
This should give me some pure feminized kumoni seeds from the mother, as well as a hybridized set of genetics when the Afghan is pollinated from the reversed kumaoni.
If all things goes well I'll have the pure feminized come out any seeds and the hybridized Afghan x Kumaoni to play with. ❤
Thanks for reading
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