Diary Killing it with Urban Legends Cookies, Mandarine & Sour Cheese (auto) under MH FC3000
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Looking good for what they've been through, keep them in top shape now and they should take off again.
I think they will fill your space quite nicely.
I think they will fill your space quite nicely.
Thank you man! I'd say they looking very good not good. Keep in mind that light just at 40% by now and upping it 10% per week.
Also, I did 2 tie-ups and the 3rd should follow soon. You probably can't see it in the pics but main stem is bent like an "S" on all (you guys will see this better at harvest time). So they really compressed down to 25-30% of the height they should be at if untied. At last tieing session I also took out 2-3 big leaves per plant, from the underside, for better air circulation. All this makes them look smaller in pics that they really are.
You are right! I've got no reason to think they won't fill it nicely!
Also, I did 2 tie-ups and the 3rd should follow soon. You probably can't see it in the pics but main stem is bent like an "S" on all (you guys will see this better at harvest time). So they really compressed down to 25-30% of the height they should be at if untied. At last tieing session I also took out 2-3 big leaves per plant, from the underside, for better air circulation. All this makes them look smaller in pics that they really are.
You are right! I've got no reason to think they won't fill it nicely!
Hello! Today they needed water and a bit of BDSM.
To show what I meant when I said they look smaller because of the tie-ing, I made a pic before and after it.
Before (a bit thristy):
After I tied them, took out about 1-2 more leaves from each (from the underside) for better air circulation and easier tieing, and watered them with a small watering of 400 ppm total, regular feed with a bit of PK booster @ PH 5.8:
Not much runoff this time, but I think in 1 or 2 waterings, when I plan to check runoff ph and ppm again, it should be fixed.
Growroom conditions were 22C, 70%RH but dropped to 21C, 65%RH (8.60 mbar VPD) because of tent door being open for an hour or so.
See you guys and gals soon.
To show what I meant when I said they look smaller because of the tie-ing, I made a pic before and after it.
Before (a bit thristy):
After I tied them, took out about 1-2 more leaves from each (from the underside) for better air circulation and easier tieing, and watered them with a small watering of 400 ppm total, regular feed with a bit of PK booster @ PH 5.8:
Growroom conditions were 22C, 70%RH but dropped to 21C, 65%RH (8.60 mbar VPD) because of tent door being open for an hour or so.
See you guys and gals soon.
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They're looking lush man!What do you think about the "LEDs run cooler therefore extra heat is needed to keep transpiration up to get the nutes to the top" rationale?
I think these ladies will completely overgrow the small tent very soon hehehe
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I think these ladies will completely overgrow the small tent very soon hehehe
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I think that once I learn to feed them proper again I can show, with the help of the stable environment the controller makes.. that its just BS. I mean i was ready to start beliving it was true (even if I read many research papers on photosyntesys that said otherwise before) when no other solution to my problems was to be found. But then again people start beliving in religion when they are desperate, so you can't blame me for almost playing along to that rationale.
I'd be inclined to belive you when you say they're gonna overgrow the tent, but I am very experienced in tieing ladies and putting them in their place.. so I might keep them bushy enaugh that they mostly stay in the sweetspot of the light.
Thank you bro for coming by! Peace!
Layer.edit: Happy workers, Happy Factory!
I am high as fk! Me out!
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New day, new update!
The bigger ones were already a bit thristy, and also started to show Mg defs, aka discolorated (yellow whiteish) leaflet tips.
So I took my cal mag booster (5%N 13%Ca 6%Mg) and put in about 200 ppm of that, and instead of the regular fertiliser I used a roots stimulator (NPK + micro + aminoacids & phytohormones) to top up to 430 ppm total.
I then ph'd the water around PH6 and watered 500 ml to each.
For real, do they look like they been just tied 1 day ago? I will probably have to do it again tommorow!
Here you can see the data on the VPD controller, first line is after I watered them (live data where humidity has risen already because of the watering, even if tent door was open), then 3rd line is data averaged over the past 3 hours prior to me opening the tent.
The low VPD situation presented in live data was solved within a minute or two, once I closed the tent door. Seems like the controller does it's job for now.
If not interested about my controller project, please jump over this (long) paragraph.
Over the past days I been working on the "stoner proof" easy to set up interface, so far I got like 20 (new) pages of notes and drawings on that, that will soon be put into code to make the final menu layout. I also started desogning some fast running algorithm loop that will do even smoother and smarter changes om the fly, with reading and comparing smooth live data multiple times a minute and reacting even faster than before to those reads. Basically, I'm rethinking the code backwards or from other points of view than before, trying to achive faster, smoother, and more efficient control of the environment. The whole point is to make it see when it can't reach demanded conditions or when it's close to overshooting them, and adjust timings on controlled devices on the fly, much faster than before, with less electricity wasted and more time spent in perfect VPD for the plants. By this point I am really working at getting those last percents of optimisation and efficiency. Honestly, I belive 90% of growers don't even care about that, but I do care, and since really there is no downsides to making this control loop more responsive, I prefer to do it rather than not care about it. Maybe it doesn't really help by much overall, but wasting less electricity now, when prices are rising rapidly feels like a good thing. Also, more downtime (less duty cycle) for the controlled devices means they will last more and perform better for a longer time. It may sound like I am bullshitting you, but when all is said and done this could mean you get an extra grow on your controlled devices, like before the ceramic oscilator disk breaks on you humidifier, or before PSU's or other vital components break from old age. The controller can even be set to preserve heat/humidity and protect the extractor fan while lowering electricity usage by only running it intermitently for fresh air (by setting a cycle timer in the menu), or just when vpd is out of range. This can only be done when smell is not a problem, tho. And if smell is not a problem, you can save a lot of watts by using a bigger than needed fan and only running it as its needed, and also when fresh air is necesary, as I explained earlier.
But don't worry, if you do need continous filtration there are other options, like using a relay and a two or more speeds fan and making the controller decide when to run it on high, but leave it on low when environment doesn't need control.
I know it seems complicated, but that's the point of me working now on dumbing the menu down so even a legendary pothead could run this on auto, by selecting which growing phrase his plants are it, and some other simple options from the simple part of the menu.
Sorry for dropping so much info, but I am
kinda ranting and running this through my head again while I type so maybe this paragraph will help me more than it helps you guys. Those that have read and have any input on this like suggestions or questions about my project should ask them here or by pm.
Thank you for checking my thread
See you guys and gals soon. I think I will pretty much need to up my feeding a bit from now on, but I will be waiting for 1 or 2 more waterings to make sure PH is in the right rangr for root absorbtion of nutes, and that the runoff has lowered its ppm's before adding more nutes. I kinda prefer to take this slowly and make sure they need the feed I am providing rather than adding too much. I mean, I already told you folks that I will be treating this grow as a noob, trying to learn to feed them again starting from the basics.
The bigger ones were already a bit thristy, and also started to show Mg defs, aka discolorated (yellow whiteish) leaflet tips.
So I took my cal mag booster (5%N 13%Ca 6%Mg) and put in about 200 ppm of that, and instead of the regular fertiliser I used a roots stimulator (NPK + micro + aminoacids & phytohormones) to top up to 430 ppm total.
I then ph'd the water around PH6 and watered 500 ml to each.
For real, do they look like they been just tied 1 day ago? I will probably have to do it again tommorow!
Here you can see the data on the VPD controller, first line is after I watered them (live data where humidity has risen already because of the watering, even if tent door was open), then 3rd line is data averaged over the past 3 hours prior to me opening the tent.
The low VPD situation presented in live data was solved within a minute or two, once I closed the tent door. Seems like the controller does it's job for now.
If not interested about my controller project, please jump over this (long) paragraph.
Over the past days I been working on the "stoner proof" easy to set up interface, so far I got like 20 (new) pages of notes and drawings on that, that will soon be put into code to make the final menu layout. I also started desogning some fast running algorithm loop that will do even smoother and smarter changes om the fly, with reading and comparing smooth live data multiple times a minute and reacting even faster than before to those reads. Basically, I'm rethinking the code backwards or from other points of view than before, trying to achive faster, smoother, and more efficient control of the environment. The whole point is to make it see when it can't reach demanded conditions or when it's close to overshooting them, and adjust timings on controlled devices on the fly, much faster than before, with less electricity wasted and more time spent in perfect VPD for the plants. By this point I am really working at getting those last percents of optimisation and efficiency. Honestly, I belive 90% of growers don't even care about that, but I do care, and since really there is no downsides to making this control loop more responsive, I prefer to do it rather than not care about it. Maybe it doesn't really help by much overall, but wasting less electricity now, when prices are rising rapidly feels like a good thing. Also, more downtime (less duty cycle) for the controlled devices means they will last more and perform better for a longer time. It may sound like I am bullshitting you, but when all is said and done this could mean you get an extra grow on your controlled devices, like before the ceramic oscilator disk breaks on you humidifier, or before PSU's or other vital components break from old age. The controller can even be set to preserve heat/humidity and protect the extractor fan while lowering electricity usage by only running it intermitently for fresh air (by setting a cycle timer in the menu), or just when vpd is out of range. This can only be done when smell is not a problem, tho. And if smell is not a problem, you can save a lot of watts by using a bigger than needed fan and only running it as its needed, and also when fresh air is necesary, as I explained earlier.
But don't worry, if you do need continous filtration there are other options, like using a relay and a two or more speeds fan and making the controller decide when to run it on high, but leave it on low when environment doesn't need control.
I know it seems complicated, but that's the point of me working now on dumbing the menu down so even a legendary pothead could run this on auto, by selecting which growing phrase his plants are it, and some other simple options from the simple part of the menu.
Sorry for dropping so much info, but I am
kinda ranting and running this through my head again while I type so maybe this paragraph will help me more than it helps you guys. Those that have read and have any input on this like suggestions or questions about my project should ask them here or by pm.
Thank you for checking my thread
See you guys and gals soon. I think I will pretty much need to up my feeding a bit from now on, but I will be waiting for 1 or 2 more waterings to make sure PH is in the right rangr for root absorbtion of nutes, and that the runoff has lowered its ppm's before adding more nutes. I kinda prefer to take this slowly and make sure they need the feed I am providing rather than adding too much. I mean, I already told you folks that I will be treating this grow as a noob, trying to learn to feed them again starting from the basics.
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Small update, no pics tho.
Plants growing good, the tops and bigger branches are about 2 times the height the plants were at last tieing, so either today or tommorow I will tie them again.
I also checked ph and ppm or runoff again and it was
~6 PH in, ppm 430
6.5 PH, ppm 1750
So ph been lowered but ppm is same as last time. Now I think they might start to get some slight burns from all that ppm in soil becoming more available because I got the mix to the right range for absorbtion of nutes.
But even if that happens, should be temporary cause plants will slowly eat at that ppm and also I plan a small flush again to lower it even further.
See you soon!
Plants growing good, the tops and bigger branches are about 2 times the height the plants were at last tieing, so either today or tommorow I will tie them again.
I also checked ph and ppm or runoff again and it was
~6 PH in, ppm 430
6.5 PH, ppm 1750
So ph been lowered but ppm is same as last time. Now I think they might start to get some slight burns from all that ppm in soil becoming more available because I got the mix to the right range for absorbtion of nutes.
But even if that happens, should be temporary cause plants will slowly eat at that ppm and also I plan a small flush again to lower it even further.
See you soon!
I love your obsession with VPD and I share it! Excited to see how that controller will be keeping your space in check and parameters in the right range.
When you tie the ladies down, do you find they are able to bear the weight form the buds later on without support? I always tend to use a screen of some sort, last time I tried without one I had to install a gazillion jojos to keep branches from falling over.
When you tie the ladies down, do you find they are able to bear the weight form the buds later on without support? I always tend to use a screen of some sort, last time I tried without one I had to install a gazillion jojos to keep branches from falling over.
Hello man! Good to hear I am not the only ony obsessed with VPD around here.
We gonna see how it performs, but for now I have no fears about it not doing it's job. My fears are about keeping the plants feed and without major deficiecies through flowering. I guess we gonna see how I perform on that as well.
About tieing.. yeah it could support quite big buds but you may have to tie them till later in flower. On some of my last grows I had some buds that drifted twards the floor later in flower, but it was only after I harvested about half of them and the remaining plants had space to "open up", so maybe it works if you don't move them too much from when buds get big and till harvesting.
We might see the response to that during this grow as well. But, if you have the patience to do it.. I'd say you should try it at least once.
I like it much more than things that are fixed to the room/tent like nets and yo-yo's. For me it works, it might work for you too, brother!
Thank you for visiting!
Ok, time for an update!
I finally found the time to tie them down, and also took about 2-3 more of the older leaves from each to help with air circulation under and inside the canopy, and making tieing easier. By now about 5-10 leaves were took off each, and also they been tied at least 3 times. I could easily say that without tieing they would be well over 50 cm tall (from soil up) by now.
Currently they sit at under 50 cm high, including the 28 cm tall pots. About 20 cm average height, with some tops maybe up to 25 cm high. But already a very dense canopy where stems are already circling around half the pot. If all works good and stretch calms down soon enaugh, I could probably stop from tieing them when the main stem reaches full circle around the pots.
The smaler plants, that were a bit behind are already catching up.
The deficiencies stopped appearing.
Pics: (all after tieing, cause I forgot to take before pics)
And environmental data: (high humidity cause of the watering that just happened before the pics/after tieing)
Watering was good!
340 ppm in @ ~6PH
1100 ppm out @ ~6.3PH
No more signs of burned tips appeared! I may managed to fix the soil conditions, it seems!
Looking forward to explosive growth from now on. Budlets are starting to form on bigger tops. All good for now!
See you guys soon!
I finally found the time to tie them down, and also took about 2-3 more of the older leaves from each to help with air circulation under and inside the canopy, and making tieing easier. By now about 5-10 leaves were took off each, and also they been tied at least 3 times. I could easily say that without tieing they would be well over 50 cm tall (from soil up) by now.
Currently they sit at under 50 cm high, including the 28 cm tall pots. About 20 cm average height, with some tops maybe up to 25 cm high. But already a very dense canopy where stems are already circling around half the pot. If all works good and stretch calms down soon enaugh, I could probably stop from tieing them when the main stem reaches full circle around the pots.
The smaler plants, that were a bit behind are already catching up.
The deficiencies stopped appearing.
Pics: (all after tieing, cause I forgot to take before pics)
And environmental data: (high humidity cause of the watering that just happened before the pics/after tieing)
340 ppm in @ ~6PH
1100 ppm out @ ~6.3PH
No more signs of burned tips appeared! I may managed to fix the soil conditions, it seems!
Looking forward to explosive growth from now on. Budlets are starting to form on bigger tops. All good for now!
See you guys soon!
Looking healthy!
Got to up my tie down game, I'm running 8 plants in a 120x60 space and don't really want to put in a screen but want an even canopy.
I've started pinching the longest shoots to slow them down and make them thicker ;-)
At what time do you usually start taking out the lower popcorn producing shoots ?
Got to up my tie down game, I'm running 8 plants in a 120x60 space and don't really want to put in a screen but want an even canopy.
I've started pinching the longest shoots to slow them down and make them thicker ;-)
At what time do you usually start taking out the lower popcorn producing shoots ?
Hello friends, thank you for the visit!
Canopy stays low this way so it's within the leds sweetspot. I only remove those undeveloped suckers that don't get enaugh power to grow a bit through the canopy, and I do that while I see them. I try to be done with that by midflower, when buds start to grow. But for now I see them all growing and finding their way through the canopy. And I want more tops, so I'm not too fast on rearching and removing some that are still behind. In about 2 weeks when I hope to finish tieing, or at least be close to it I'll di a final check and remove any shoot that is not powerful enaugh to go through at least to the middle of the canopy by the end.
It's not a science tho, and I mostly ho by feeling, for now the spread of the shoots and keeping some airflow under and im the canopy is the most important.
Canopy stays low this way so it's within the leds sweetspot. I only remove those undeveloped suckers that don't get enaugh power to grow a bit through the canopy, and I do that while I see them. I try to be done with that by midflower, when buds start to grow. But for now I see them all growing and finding their way through the canopy. And I want more tops, so I'm not too fast on rearching and removing some that are still behind. In about 2 weeks when I hope to finish tieing, or at least be close to it I'll di a final check and remove any shoot that is not powerful enaugh to go through at least to the middle of the canopy by the end.
It's not a science tho, and I mostly ho by feeling, for now the spread of the shoots and keeping some airflow under and im the canopy is the most important.
Thank you Sampas92 ! They are indeed going very good after what they been through.
And looks to be better and better, also.
Yesterday they needed water so I put IN:
4500ml total (500ml each) @ 5.8PH / 430 ppm, and got OUT:
1500 ml @ PH 6.3 / 990 ppm.
While the runoff ppm is still a bit high, I think no big flush is needed for now, as it should get fixed in about 2 normal waterings. Will soon have to add more PK, as flowering is starting.
Pics will come in a day or 2.
See you guys and gals soon!
And looks to be better and better, also.
Yesterday they needed water so I put IN:
4500ml total (500ml each) @ 5.8PH / 430 ppm, and got OUT:
1500 ml @ PH 6.3 / 990 ppm.
While the runoff ppm is still a bit high, I think no big flush is needed for now, as it should get fixed in about 2 normal waterings. Will soon have to add more PK, as flowering is starting.
Pics will come in a day or 2.
See you guys and gals soon!
