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moose eater

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Seems a couple of teenage sociopaths wanted some weed and money, and went to what the authorities announced was an 'illegal marijuana production facility' A strange reference in contrast to what the authorities used to call such operations years ago.. I guess times are changing, while thieving murderers are not so much different, unless maybe anecdotally becoming more ruthless than I remember them as being.

2 teenagers arrested for murder after believed robbery-gone-wrong at Wynnewood marijuana grow

Two teenagers from Wynnewood have been arrested in connection with the murder of two employees at a marijuana grow facility, believed to have started as a robbery.
www.koco.com
 
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xtsho

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moose eater said:
Seems a couple of teenage sociopaths wanted some weed and money, and went to what the authorities announced was an 'illegal marijuana production facility' A strange reference in contrast to what the authorities used to call such operations years ago.. I guess times are changing, while thieving murderers are not so much different, unless maybe anecdotally becoming more ruthless than I remember them as being.

2 teenagers arrested for murder after believed robbery-gone-wrong at Wynnewood marijuana grow

Two teenagers from Wynnewood have been arrested in connection with the murder of two employees at a marijuana grow facility, believed to have started as a robbery.
www.koco.com
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They shot those two men in cold blood. It's Oklahoma, a death penalty state. Second only to Texas in executions. That 18 year old will likely get it. Either way his life is over because if he doesn't get the needle he'll get life without parole. The 16 year old will get life with the possibility of parole and maybe released when he's 60. Both of them just threw away their lives and more tragic is that they took the lives of two innocent victims.

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moose eater

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xtsho said:
They shot those two men in cold blood. It's Oklahoma, a death penalty state. Second only to Texas in executions. That 18 year old will likely get it. Either way his life is over because if he doesn't get the needle he'll get life without parole. The 16 year old will get life with the possibility of parole and maybe released when he's 60. Both of them just threw away their lives and more tragic is that they took the lives of two innocent victims.

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There are lots of studies about the age at which many acquire the ability for complex thoughts, or understanding consequences, such as consideration of long-term outcomes versus short-term gratification.

During our unconstitutional recrim here in the 1990s, in Fairbanks proper, a group of high school students had heard about a local fellow with a limited/smaller grow op in his home, and a couple of them went to his door, armed, while others stayed in the car.

At one point they had the victim kneel into what he perceived to be a position commonly assumed for execution, he reached around the corner and offed at least one of the teens with a shotgun.

The parents of the dead thieving kid wanted vengeance, apparently thinking that if their 'little Johnny' (made up name) was killed in an armed robbery/burglary, the fact that the fellow had pot plants should've diminished his right to defend himself. The law fortunately saw it differently.

But both cases are reminders that rumors travel, and sometimes there are folks with a willingness to do seriously dastardly stuff over some plants or some cash.

Just because it's a non-issue to folks like you or me, doesn't mean it's a non-issue to some sticky-fingered desperado with no comprehension of what they're going to do to their own or others' futures.

Tight lips, even in legal places. We've had dispensaries robbed at gunpoint here, sometimes by former employees.
 
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As JFK said in his famous speech the world is ruled by people who use covet means to control people and look at the world now, people covet things.
 
xtsho

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There are lots of studies about the age at which many acquire the ability for complex thoughts, or understanding consequences, such as consideration of long-term outcomes versus short-term gratification.

During our unconstitutional recrim here in the 1990s, in Fairbanks proper, a group of high school students had heard about a local fellow with a limited/smaller grow op in his home, and a couple of them went to his door, armed, while others stayed in the car.

At one point they had the victim kneel into what he perceived to be a position commonly assumed for execution, he reached around the corner and offed at least one of the teens with a shotgun.

The parents of the dead thieving kid wanted vengeance, apparently thinking that if their 'little Johnny' (made up name) was killed in an armed robbery/burglary, the fact that the fellow had pot plants should've diminished his right to defend himself. The law fortunately saw it differently.

But both cases are reminders that rumors travel, and sometimes there are folks with a willingness to do seriously dastardly stuff over some plants or some cash.

Just because it's a non-issue to folks like you or me, doesn't mean it's a non-issue to some sticky-fingered desperado with no comprehension of what they're going to do to their own or others' futures.

Tight lips, even in legal places. We've had dispensaries robbed at gunpoint here, sometimes by former employees.
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Lots of Dispensary robberies here in Portland. Deaths have occurred as well.

These industries need access to normal banking channels so they're not a target for criminals and can accept digital payments and not have cash only transactions.
 
Porky82

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There are lots of studies about the age at which many acquire the ability for complex thoughts, or understanding consequences, such as consideration of long-term outcomes versus short-term gratification.

During our unconstitutional recrim here in the 1990s, in Fairbanks proper, a group of high school students had heard about a local fellow with a limited/smaller grow op in his home, and a couple of them went to his door, armed, while others stayed in the car.

At one point they had the victim kneel into what he perceived to be a position commonly assumed for execution, he reached around the corner and offed at least one of the teens with a shotgun.

The parents of the dead thieving kid wanted vengeance, apparently thinking that if their 'little Johnny' (made up name) was killed in an armed robbery/burglary, the fact that the fellow had pot plants should've diminished his right to defend himself. The law fortunately saw it differently.

But both cases are reminders that rumors travel, and sometimes there are folks with a willingness to do seriously dastardly stuff over some plants or some cash.

Just because it's a non-issue to folks like you or me, doesn't mean it's a non-issue to some sticky-fingered desperado with no comprehension of what they're going to do to their own or others' futures.

Tight lips, even in legal places. We've had dispensaries robbed at gunpoint here, sometimes by former employees.
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Yep no one tells anyone they are growing in Australia.
Having an unarmed population also helps. 😉
 
moose eater

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xtsho said:
Lots of Dispensary robberies here in Portland. Deaths have occurred as well.

These industries need access to normal banking channels so they're not a target for criminals and can accept digital payments and not have cash only transactions.
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I go to the Yukon Territory of Canada, I can use a credit card in most any dispensary, presumably notwithstanding the banks in the US perceiving it to be a pot purchase (?), but in the local area, in Alaska, and I assume the rest of the US, there are often ATM's (with associated fees) at dispensaries. Cash only, by design, making it an inherently hotter target with higher risks involved... by design.

My oldest son and a friend had contemplated delivering both product and cash for a local legal producer and dispensary, and had commented on properly arming themselves. I addressed my concerns for the potential risks, as both a gun guy, and as a long-time student of various laws.

I told them no hourly wage would ever compensate them for the cluster-fuck that might ensue, should they engage banditos while carrying dope and dope-related cash if the Feds should step into the fray.
 
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Additional info: There was ONE local (I believe) Credit Union a few years back (in Fairbanks; you can likely still find reports or stories of it online) that decided to take the 'fair and balanced' route and agreed to do dispensary and grower business with their banking institution. They were relatively quickly warned about the inherent wires tripped, and the legal consequences that might result following any sane and equitable approach to this issue.

The Feds enjoy this stranglehold on the legal weed market(s) and can then point to the resulting violence and theft, when it happens, as being the result of cannabis, rather than their own system of suppression/oppression, and basic human greed, coupled with the economic challenges of a poorer and poorer society where spending power of the real value of the dollar is concerned..
 
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Credit Union 1 to open its doors to Alaska marijuana businesses

Within a year, Credit Union 1 hopes to launch a pilot program to to provide banking services to licensed Marijuana businesses in Alaska.
www.alaskasnewssource.com

Alaska credit union to serve marijuana businesses

A credit union is launching a pilot program to begin serving marijuana businesses in Alaska, giving the cash-reliant industry a financial option after banks shunned the industry
mynews13.com

and then, shortly thereafter, the heavy-handed threats and ultimate intimidation of potential enforcement, resulting in....

 
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Drop That Sound

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i met a guy once who didnt know me from Adam,lol Adam is actually my name but he showed me his outdoor grow. it was decent but people in legal states think its no big deal to grow now. he was cool and i was drunk but i guess he wanted to show off or something. cool dude.id actually prefer if people didnt show me their grows
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That story got my spidey mite senses tingling..

Gonna Lysol the phantom eggs (that can stay dormant for months) off my shoes just to be safe!
 
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shithawk420 said:
i met a guy once who didnt know me from Adam,lol Adam is actually my name but he showed me his outdoor grow. it was decent but people in legal states think its no big deal to grow now. he was cool and i was drunk but i guess he wanted to show off or something. cool dude.id actually prefer if people didnt show me their grows
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What's up shithawk. Couldn't help myself. :D
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GenghisKush

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Credit Union 1 to open its doors to Alaska marijuana businesses

Within a year, Credit Union 1 hopes to launch a pilot program to to provide banking services to licensed Marijuana businesses in Alaska.
www.alaskasnewssource.com

Alaska credit union to serve marijuana businesses

A credit union is launching a pilot program to begin serving marijuana businesses in Alaska, giving the cash-reliant industry a financial option after banks shunned the industry
mynews13.com

and then, shortly thereafter, the heavy-handed threats and ultimate intimidation of potential enforcement, resulting in....

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I was curious and I found this FCU in Alaska that advertises it serves cannabis businesses.

Maybe this'll be helpful to someone.

Cannabis Related Businesses - MAC Federal Credit Union (MACFCU)

Come GROW with US! We are here to help cannabis related businesses, whether you are in retail, cultivation, or extraction. We want to be part of your team! MAC Federal Credit Union is here to offer safe, practical, affordable resources for your business, as well as a great place for your staff...
www.macfcu.org
 
moose eater

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I'd be surprised. MAC is often the go-to, or one of them, for the military, and the Feds haven't changed anything re. cannabis and banking that I'm aware of.

Either a spoof, or someone has an inside friend, or they're pushing the envelope, or they know something no one else does yet. Because I haven't seen anywhere that the Feds have said that banking is OK for cannabis businesses. As far as I know, it's the same taboo it's been.

Maybe I'm wrong.
 
moose eater

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Cannabis Rescheduling Won’t Solve Industry Banking Problems, Legal Risks

Bank Secrecy Act obligations and federal anti-money laundering laws would still apply to cannabis under a Schedule III listing, legal expert says.
www.cannabisbusinesstimes.com

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AI Overview


While the federal legal landscape surrounding cannabis businesses and banking remains complex, there haven't been any
major changes in terms of new laws being enacted at the federal level.
Here's a breakdown of the situation:
  1. Federal Prohibition Persists:
    • Marijuana is still a Schedule I substance under the Controlled Substances Act (CSA), making it illegal at the federal level.
    • This federal prohibition creates significant hurdles for cannabis businesses seeking traditional banking services.
  2. No New Federal Legislation:
  3. Ongoing Challenges:
    • Cannabis businesses are largely forced to operate on a cash-only basis because most banks are reluctant to serve them.
    • This cash-based operation presents challenges related to safety, security, and efficient financial management.
  4. Continued Advocacy:
    • Groups like the American Bankers Association (ABA) continue to advocate for federal legislation that would provide clarity and protection for banks serving state-legal cannabis businesses.
    • Many states have also implemented their own versions of safe harbor laws, offering protections to financial institutions serving cannabis businesses within their state.
In summary, federal laws regarding banking for cannabis businesses remain largely unchanged, although there's been discussion and some progress in terms of states enacting their own laws. The industry continues to grapple with the challenges stemming from the conflict between state-legalized cannabis and federal prohibition.
 
GenghisKush

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IDK shit about shit. I'm just being an irritating prick and did a AI search and this is what turned up. Never even been to Alaska, so it's cool that at least it's a place you already know about.

I used to do a lot of business with Credit Unions and I like 'em a lot. I also asked the AI whether cannabis businesses could do cash deposits using the Credit Union co-op "shared branching" thing that's available for non-commercial accounts. The response: "LOL no." (paraphrased)
 
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